Hello and welcome to the program. Im naples u. K Prime Minister wishes. So, you know, it hasnt been in the job for long if the recent local elections in england or any indication he wouldnt be in it for much longer either. His government, conservative party has taken a hammering. But which is to say, i think its in throw off to the landslide victory that swept it to power on the boys. Johnson in 2019 big wins for the opposition labor policy, but a loss of support among some, most of the photos due to its stance. On israels war on gauze, and finally as a demand and unconditional cease far. So why have people in the england voted the way they did . Does it give any indication for whats to come in the general election . What a change of government mean for the u. K. And its policies, well get to our guess in a moments 1st this report from culture lopez or the rezoning, when for prudence, opposition, labor party and local elections across england. 6 its taken control of many local councils, including areas that were previously passed deals of the governing conservative party. The Opposition Leader says this result reflects the national shit with fed up with your division, with your chaos with your pay, the full t. Yes. And im sorry. I dont care which Political Party you support. If you leave your country and i was spiked the what do you found it . 14 years later, you too dont deserve to pay the job. But for i but love golf. Its the contrast from the 2019 parliamentary elections when conservatives won a huge majority in parliament the cure 5 years later, the results are notably different in a wake up call for Prime Minister re shes soon ok, and his conservative Party Obviously is disappointing to lose good hardworking conservative counselors and im grateful to them for all the service and local government keeping council tax flow and delivering services. So what local people to take con has been julie elected as mat labor scored an important victory in london with its candidate winning the election for 3rd term. The re looked at may or assess, voters are ready for new leadership regionally. And in parliament, place sites me the most to share is the challenge of working with a labor government and the message for me, selection in london and across the country is its time for students to go to general election conservatives or one seen as the party. Thats better equipped to manage the economy, but rising inflation and high cost of living is fueling desperation. Also ranking high among some voters in Northern England in london is the war, 1000 people, the shooting bosses which they can do you need to see is fine. We meet the ceasefire and we still have a note of mike from the stuff, but there were deep the mental issues and the impulse piece of the hall. So what we really need need is a government us can understand. Now the political 5 over you will likely intensify before the general election with the labor party hoping to end 14 years of conservative government and the u. K. And the governing party doing what it can to try and make sure that doesnt happen. Capielo, pennsylvania, ill do 0 for insights. Story the. Okay, lets bring it out. I guess now the role joining us appropriately from the u. K. And sorry, chris wilkins, a form of direct to strategy for the next 5 minutes. The threes of may and london peak. I can certainly support cost to an ortho of democracy for sale, and unless the list of james associate professor of politics at the moment university of high well, and welcome to all of you, welcome to the show. Thank you for your time. Oh, so i wonder if i can start with you because i dont know if a lot of takeaways phone this latest round of local elections and the results that weve seen perhaps the biggest take away is the conservative representational councils has collapsed to its lowest in decades. Why is that annual as well . Its a number of things, i mean, trustworthiness increasing the local elections. You think you have local issues. So the things being able to get up the roads being main site and those sorts of issues. But its also about National Politics and the cost of living causes where inflation was up to a rate 11 percent. People still suffering the consequences of that. And it appears as if no to the government under conservative control. Ive actually got any ideas on how to resolve it. You keep hearing from the politicians pull the plan is working, but the reality is even of inflation is coming down below can affect of it being so early. It is still impacting people. People are much you bliss off as a result of the hydration and they dont see the politicians guys have any ideas on how to resolve it. So some of it is angry about local politics. Oh to that is, i guess, i guess sports Central Government is failing to do a lot of anger, a lot of frustration pizza off to 14 years of conservative rule. What do you think driving this . A power hungry for change, and i think its out of the site as a collection of factors really about 17 years and server control of conservative routes. I think weve had high inflation and 0 growth in the u. K. For the last 3 years, theres been a succession of scandals involving the conservative party starting with the cobra contracts. But its kind of, its blending. We know just this week we had a bi election on, on the service. It doesnt cover the rest of the elections in black, 2 sizes, or decisions, or thatd be at this time down after and under cover. Uh, expos, a advice him allegedly acting as a, as a, a from for, for the gambling industry and on thats not on. Thats not the, unfortunately, usually has been a succession of scandals as well. And fundamentally, the conservatives, a coalition, the election coordination of iris jones and put together in 2019 of socially conservatively vultures. And particularly in labor had to form a labor house, seats alongside the traditional small as the conservative southern english conservative soldiers that was, was delivered their 21919. 00 majority and docs fracturing all over the place. Its fracturing in the former conservative states, but its also fracturing the size piece of england for the liberal democrats have been doing well and so at the marines. Chris, how much can we pin these results on the car and leadership of the conservative party on prime is to richie so not himself. And how much should we pin on the collective failure of the conservative party over its many is in power in the the likes of the leadership under theresa may somebody who you worked with closely mistrustful to mentioned boss johnson. Of course you worked, as i mentioned that closely with teresa may have Prime Minister who repeatedly failed to get breaks it down. Whose fault is this . The little im so tripped pacific time is of those 14 years now so. So the thing is in the government at any government, stuffs going to bitch target. And so i think probably be the lead to have to share some of the name of the street. I was in down the street. Let me do it after the buttons that referendum and never a number of years. I have tried to get that result and the policy extended into the civil war. Ready and then, but with drugs that have these issues after code wage, this trust is being mentioned, i have many budget which uh to start the economy and put it in place and up. And so everybody takes the share, the things the best, but i do things that come from it. So if you see nothing isnt ministration. I li options when they came in to power, to draw a line, it shows that they were different and that they did have an alternative plan. This was a set to be a new administration, having used the lessons of the previous one on the list trust and just as a change of action of the country. And i think the results that weve seen as the past couple of days and the look for elections and all them actually by election was in the matter of elections or level 11 will actually, and one of them i wouldnt buy insurance policy. I think a lot of those video and he thought rachel visited ministration on the state. Yeah. Assembly to direction of the country and people who dont have a sense that what she see nothing. Hes that much know where they want to go. So yes, we have the painter for this trust you as me is before that. But how do you come in and says, actually i have a trace thats the direction i. They were ongoing, she is most trustworthy. I think there was no change. Hes engaged people with him, but he hasnt done that. Its always he got to see these is ultimately a e. Brad as a combination of whats happening here now as much as the whole thing is go. Oh, so do you agree . Is this a of these results a reflection off research so youre not, inability to break with the post, i think is what she said that courtney was going to be trained 5 minutes stuff. They basically promised and such strange things were different. Thered be more openness that be more ethical behavior if you like. What weve seen is a lot go back and it has been more of the side. So many of the issues from the junction is where the allegations of corruption and there was inappropriate behavior from conservative entities, which the conservative party tried to cover up to some extent. That sort of thing has carried on where theres been defense. So we can defend civil folder, consider that just robin trying to be for the stop start fresh as, as i was say by chris. There was a huge opportunity for which you should. I am the basically he spoke to take it to the i wonder if we can turn our attention to the Opposition Labor Party and what is driving support towards the labor party that, of course, by kids stop by. How is he managed to capitalize well, this distance shawn, but with the conservative what its interesting. So what youve got with the labor party isnt something to say what is the 2 parties system. And the only thing that you know there is, there are other smaller parties, but the nature of a jew all 3 of a 2 party system is that when the fortunes of one of the big parties go down to fortunes, to do the project goes up. I guess he saw that there was an element of dosh, the labor party is processing and cares time or from from not being the conservative party. And thats a very important thing. You can understand that. But in a 2 party system where theres a sense in which of your holding for one of the 2 big parties, they will be the government language. Been able to position themselves as, as the party of, of governments and wasting really. And thats been very much time a strategy. I think we, when youre looking at how labor day they are, they picked up a lot of towns, the seats that picked up over a 100 Nation Council seats. They won a number of my old contests. They did well, they did not as what they didnt do as well as so might have expected looking at opinion, polls with the election were little collections. Those are not easy to map on to national elections. But one thing i think they probably did do what was expectation management with these elections . You know, they want, they may or will contact and these midlands there they back, the incumbent, the conservative on the street who to spice the crisis on soon. Weve actually widely expected to win on in the context even though labor by 20 point leads and the polls winning that felt like a really big moment for the labor party and for care stormer, there is still also some challenges within these results. The greens have been doing while the democrats been doing well causes definitely hit the labor volks in places in the north of england. They lost control that all states an older middle, some of the states, and in areas where independence, labor parties. God, standards are George Galloways workers trying to break and he was a very strong stance on gods. And i think theyve ever been criticized for not taking dust. So theres, there is some challenges for labor within these results. But overall they do come out of this looking like the park, youve got them. And then the big question is when the next selection comb with the how stopping by january, how big, how, how are the parts of the government of how big is the labor voltage at that point for was the following. Also now do you think the labor party of mr trick here because it has to be moved to noted that well, this is a big shift towards labor. Its not to expect it to be of course, while on slide one by tiny black back in 1997 then labor. I have a 17 point leader of the conservatives and local elections. This time i understand its a 9 point lee. This time she mentioned the pizza, the labor parties, also lots of folks to independence. And the green policy is hardly a massive mtv is asterix wins was labor. Is it . This is true. I think just on a stretch of use being she would appear to be a single pair of hands. So theres going to be no outrage just policy proposal. And thats moving on the whole time, the budget. But he was leader way back in the mid 19 ninetys. So the idea is job no mistakes, no errors, no strip ups. And basically let the concerns about you carry on shooting itself in the thoughts. This has been to be successful. However, as has been pointed out, best buy um feature, the biggest around gun shop was cause problems. Now, what is interesting on there is that the noise is coming from the conservative policy and the body of both being the right to defend itself. But that the cold for a ceasefire and follow to people, but labor support is that wasnt going to be strong enough. They wanted to be much more strident. And the opposition 12 these ro was doing. I dont think the 1000 population. And i think storm has tried to be cautious on that he doesnt want to upset the International Allies around the world. So hes been very, very cautious, very, very tactful. And its upset most of the local people having said or come to the general election, the choice is going to be between just stopped by his position on garza and richey. So youre not getting his position on dollars or full. Those are the wiring out which way to vote and not respect on, i suspect most of them will return to the labor phone even if its room knocked in place. Because they may feel the style that may actually be able to do more in relation to dogs. Of the suit operation based on adjust to adds to what i was just said, the chris and in addition to what weve heard about labors, perhaps questionable stands on guns a. There is also the specter of anti semitism that is home to the labor party for quite some time. Now when it clearly case dogma is very wary about going down that road and staying the wrong thing. And then unless and yes is that something the conservatives themselves have being very wary off as well. A weakness, perhaps in the labor policy, the conservative will hope to exploit. So the storm is whole message essentially is already have changed the policy. This is different, they policy the, he inherited it from jeremy colbin and at the time the policy was really split quite severely and generally full. And that it was seen to pay with where she was coming. She didnt feel positively posting it, feel safe, and it was being a real divide. You logged in. Case the made that the thing the actually he you basically expel jeremy who will be and said, look, im gonna change to life policy. And this was the test, the actually jewish communities could feel comfortable with the late party up to the cold. And so when a from 7 happened and everythings happened since it was a real test for him. And he is stuck to thats not want you to open the that frank again and has been criticized. But this has been said and accept is really are working on looking for an opportunity to pin him this week and to under under martin that training that hes changed to like pauses told him to be a teacher in credits. He is stuck to that line from physical point of view because its so its technic for him. But hes not without difficulty. I suspect as, depending what happens was he in go the coming months. But as the general actually gets closer, he will come on the increasing pressure to change his position. Im but the knots that covers the cost is 48 hours. Identifying things like what happened in old in the middle of the spring and where. Ready when its against them, saying that this is searching like policy and actually you can afford now having proven youve changed the parts you can afford to take a stronger line against each of those actions. So he will come under pressure and its a real test of his leadership. Lets see which one he takes, chris, im sorry. So i wonder, i wonder following home for the 1st adulthood from chris, the weather delay of apology. When very likely they become the policy of power. All. So take a soft, a stance on europe on breaks it. What are your visa . Thats the big question. I think theres been some noises and the paper about david allow me, whos a foreign foreign secretary who was it was very much i wonder, most of kind of a referral. Shes on to breakfast campaigners boat during the referendum and a half towards to be got him having contacts west European Union do invest the pressure on the not least for the fact that the comedy breaks. It is heartbreaking. And its about quite obvious a few years in and youve got a labor product is going to inherits a countries and a very weak position economically. And they are going to want to try and change stuff. And the easiest way to change it frankly is to is to, is to align britain and closer to the European Union. But by the same token, what youre seeing from labor partner from the relax, no. Because extra inflectional results is the labor practice doing a good job of bringing lea bowl for as back on board. The parking lot, lot of the voters are people involved to lead your opinion. But a lot of mine is a concern for products and 2019 is one. The reason that its a well, lot of them are actually going back to labor part. Its really important for labor parties coalition to keep them on board. So politically is quite tricky. And, but by the same token to i think this is going to become more of an issue. Its like its an extreme labor doesnt want to talk to this and talk about this like the election. Theyve been really slow, very strong and say were not, were not going to be joining the single america enough country on the to just joined the cost of doing and were not talking about your of, but once i get into power, i think it is something is going to become more of an issue for the simple fact simple economics and the challenges the british businesses are having and the impact its had on british g. D p. M, but its growth, the pulse braxton is going on with i think its gonna force if youve had, if there was only kind of magic bullets vision, one thing neighbor knows a good call that would help the economy. It is, it is a closer relationship with euro i. So following on from that i sounds like breaks it is the elephant in the room that no politician of any color or stripe really wants to talk about considering it was all anybody could talk