Career. And when a military Ethics Council discharged him after which he spent time in exile in jordan, upon returning provo significantly reformed image. He was a president ial candidates twice before and has served as the minister of defense under the outgoing president. Since 2019 and this edition of talked about you 0, we take you to a ranch just outside the invitation capital home to president alexis provo, severe as he has to take the reins of power, join us to explore the complexity. This is cost promises of his presence and the hope for his future and the future of this vibrant and size of the nation. The president alexis, indonesia, covers to be on to talk to the city until president elect of entities. And thank you for talking to on to 0 and on the side, but the data and i get that done by federal. Lets begin with talking about the election of a landslide victory for you. Almost 60 percent of the votes victory in 30 out of 32. 00 provinces, certainly results that any candidate would have been happy with. What made the difference this time because you phone for president before twice. Why do you think your message appeal to vote is this you . I think the combination of factors may be uh, precisely because i ran twice before. I think of my message, my another, this my, my principals reach the people. And this time, of course i have to say that i felt that i basically became part of the incumbent team. So i think that also was a great factor. Thats something that many observers have talked about and theyve called it this jacoby effect, the effect of your perceived closeness with the president and how that may have boosted your chances. What do you make of that . Well, if you know the pressure, then youre going to do it has to what now . 80 to 83 percent favorable rating in the Public Opinion polls. And of course the people felt his commitment to bring a better man for the peoples conditions, especially the poor. So yes, i think i did that youre gonna be affect uh, really helped me also use or have run against president ial going twice your political rivals. Was there a genuine change of mind on your part to that allowed you to work more closely with him . You know, uh, traditionally in, in region politics the, we never want us to make sure that the, his rifle doesnt ever really emerge. Right. But this time he, i think he, he understood that i was committed to the betterment of the american people, especially to for and i think basically which i found out later he did. He does have the same values as i do. What are those values . I think the value as a, as a sudden of indonesia, we want people to lift a dignified life and poverty is not dignified. An independent country. The people must live with a basics, you know, a cannot live in poverty. Well talk about poverty in a moment. Here you mentioned sons of indonesia, and of course one son who has really been in focus during this whole campaign. If youre running meat, you prolonged, i could bring reca. Yes, the countrys next Vice President a controversial pick. Certainly in the early stages of the campaign, what does he bring to the table apart from being president joker . We dont know some very we cannot take the fact that he was suddenly present jokingly as not that important factor by geography has 82 percent favorable rating. Right. Is there a quality that a new Vice President will bring to the job . Perhaps his use might be a positive factor. I think thats also a very important factor. As you know, i think its more than 52 percent of our voters are young just more than 63000000 between 17 and 30 right. In a 3 candidate race. What was the main challenge in getting your message across to those young voters . I think i had the advantage because you know, the young, they are more concerned about jobs because this their future, their concern indication. Theyre concerned about the jobs that concerned about people opportunities. So would you dispute, perhaps there were some criticisms of your campaign that there were, there was some gimmicks with the, the cartoons and the dances that it actually wasnt about that it was about the substance that appealed to young co, you know, the mix of gimmicks right . I mean, you can have a good mix and the flower, right . You can dance all you want and see you become a buffering or you become a 1st, i think is the message. And the young in this age of social media, the information revolution, you know, do they get on very fast . And i think one single buddy, i can do the c, d c a very fast, who is genuine and whos acting . So i think i got the invite just there guys, you know, the promises of your potential policies rather than the style of the campaign. Yeah, no. The problem is of this, the problem is this makes sense. Im not right from is this makes sense. Promises solve problems or not, and i think, i think thats the this was also a criticism made during Campaign Season before election day. That perhaps your, your team had an unfair advantage by means of support from the states by means of potential misuse of social 8. That was something that your opponents repeated, but also some Civil Society organizations. Does that affect how you perceive the victory in any way at all . Well, you know, acquisitions are easily made, but when the scrutiny is done correctly intensively. I mean, if you will find out that those, that cost ations are very, very uh, empty and very uh, i would say very selfish acquisitions are denied there was any conversation about this yourself, social 8 during Campaign Season, social a, this the in our budget. Yes. For many, many years. Right . It was appropriate all parties environment for work and then didnt imagine so much. This 8 social assistance, right . By the way, in outside of nature, we have a Large Community of innovations living abroad, moneisha, hong kong, singapore, the middle east. And i won by 66 percent and there was not one social assistance package then. And i went by 63 percent. Right. And all this socialist uses were given an ard provinces. And i last thing told me the would you be looking to work with the people who oppose to win the election . I am willing to work with anybody for the country. Lets talk about some of the policies that we can expect. And one of the key projects initiated by president ial window is this new Capital Project in east coming on . Does this project have your full 100 percent support . This idea of moving the cup book was actually for many, many years since the, from the, our 1st breath of the residents are cardinal. And theres always this move that this capital. It shouldnt be more central position. And also did we have problems actually, and just got your got those i think a already way beyond the the capacity of the area to to support a population of 2025 1000000 people. We have to invest more to say for decades. But how do you address the concerns about how this project may affect the indigenous communities . There are some n g os that estimate some 20000 Indigenous People may have to be relocated to make way for infrastructure, for the capital. What can be done for them . The been for us, the security of the future of, of the end it just people are highest but. Ready in my, in my view, we have to protect them, we have to secure their livelihood. And we have to do a lot of planning and research that we do not displace to many people. And if you do, we must compensate and we have to guarantee that we have to be because this is a theme that comes up not only in terms of the new capital, but whenever there are Major Development projects. For example, the modeling a circuit logbook, there are indigenous communities who feel they dont receive the benefits of these major infrastructure. Yeah, i would like to repeat that in my, in my life, in my commitment that i will defend the, the incidence of my people. Indigenous people, including really we will, we will defend that my, my, my stronger support are from, from those why week. Youve proposed many strategies to help low income households in particular, but a key promise made during the campaign. And in fact, the one that was all over the post is in the lead up to the election. Was this Free Lunch Program for School Children . Some more than 18000000 people will receive this free lunch and free meals. What is the reason that the problem actually look . Yeah, i think premium and program is is very urgent. And as we have to take our getting measures and the children of indonesia are our future, i think this is face to digit for the future of indonesia, the cost has been raised as a potential barrier that in the 1st year this could cost perhaps 7000000000. 00, i understand the government is already looking at how, how to fund this program, but to you, thats not a concern. To me, thats not a concern. Ive studied the problems. Ive studied wherever we can, safe and wherever we kind of relocates it was that a im very convinced the aim of this project is to improve the quality of education that invitation children receive. What do you see as the may not only go through a group and to, to, to help them in their health, in the fit you know, this fun thing of in the nation. Children is very, i would say very saddening. So this program is the intersection of health education, a variety of ames, but one thats a revival of the future if you need me, you know, you have thought to buy that projects already 3 months. The fact that not many, but we still have to issue new nature. We started in college, my them and the everybody reports after 3 months the children are more likely, attendance rate increase. You know, nowadays they know when to come to school this, theres lunch or theres a meal. So we are very optimistic. But lets take a look at the situation in Eastern Indonesia in pop. What we have seen incidents of torture human rights abuses carried out by Security Forces against indigenous populations. There was a recent incident where a man was put in a barrel and tortured by security personnel. When you see those incidents, what is your reaction . You know, were the 4th Largest Properties in new will we are the size of europe. Right. We have many incidence. Im sure the violations. But if you compare whats happening and manufactured, well, you know, im gonna defending it, we, we will take, we have taken, i think, our, our equity. We have taken a majors to punish our Security Forces where violated. But if you compare with the size of the nation, it was the size of the population. Yes, it didnt seem to be concentrated though in, in pop, where rather than throughout the country. How do you know that . Have you been there . Why didnt you go there . Well, its very difficult, especially for, for the to, to enter pop what it book. But boys, if im going to be spending all incidents, we will uh, deal with seriously. But you know, your question a bit, one side, the why dont you open the youtube or the generals of, of these so called a Independence Movement on that channel. You can see how they mislead their own people. So would that be ensuring the security of the situation in papa . How can that be done . Well, this is not really part, but we were to ensure security over the nation. Right . And our approach is always to negotiate. You know, a lease a better is. So it effect that when people who at tech schools were in uh, kill civilians, utah, but one incident. Yes. Do you know that they killed the workers on the road . Yes, i know that there are, but you didnt have to buy your how, how many workers to go on im submitting. Were coming to work at the killed 234. There havent many of those that have been many in the use of really the cutting out thanks of there is a big the uh, what do you call it, the hostage, which do you have no need an on for the instability and me right . Yes. Where is the indignation from . From the g o is from the Foreign Press . No. I think perhaps the indignation is nice for both sides just for, for people to, to live safely. Mister president liked and probably yeah, we will secure the safety of our people didnt mean the 2nd civilians. Many, many fires. And you guys dont report that. Well, we tried to report the, the full story. Yeah. They, they propagated. There is a perception from some human Rights Groups in indonesia that perhaps what the situation needs is less militarization if our national deb 3, we are not guided by n g o. So we would be guided by our national interest. There was a, a, an earlier thats not a commitment, but as i think as Something Like a promise that digital we administration would allow some of servers from the un twins. Your pop what to take a look at the situation. But that is, it did not happen to see that is something that, that should happen so that perhaps there can be fewer questions about what is going on. I will study the situation. I will study distribution and routes the visit could take place under your administration. I was putting in the situation, but as i said, we will think about our national interest. Indonesia is one of the largest democracies in the world. And we just had a very spirited, lively election campaign. And it was quite, you know, its quite wonderful to see how it was generally smoothly. Everything goes in a country of this size. How do we ensure that the democratic freedoms often to nations are protected . The democrat system is the interest of the nation. People. Right . To the interesting people, it was a democratic system. Political power comes through people. We go, we rule with girlfriend who is the content of the people. And this is all the people who decide me, right . Were not going to be determined by 4 and none of this, right . For the in interpretation or what democracy should look like. Do you think that those interpretations, when theyre all these reports that say theres democratic backsliding any denisia . Is that a misinterpretation from your perspective . Of course. What the next lighting . What does ally do . We have how many, how many years of peaceful transfer of, of government. How many governors have been changed . How many district . But the so being changed, we have a living and vibrant democracy. Are we satisfied . No. Its the corruption. Yes. Thats our problem and we have to do with it. Then. Okay. If im actually democracy is firing. What is the only is the best system . What is the alternative . Why do i get involved in for the elections . What have you learned from taking part in all those elections . Is strenuous is firing. But yeah, thats what the people want. The people want a choice. But i do believe that democracy is in danger. And everywhere, but especially in research in danger, because off uh because of corruption because of the concentration of wealth. There is a segment of the population mister president elect that has expressed some concerns on the basis of not your time is defense minister, but your posts in the military that they have concerns about about that and accountability. How would you ensure that they also feel that you are a president for them . You took up a number, of course the people have decided to stop. What concerns . You know, in every election they will try to look for this weakness and that the weakness and this and that, and i was a general, im a proud general, i serve my people for my cousin, 3 irish, my wife and my people. Ive been the fuse of so many things is called the immunization. Mm hm. So that is called kind of the assassination is part of the tools of politics. So i have faced that i wish that acquisitions are completely insulting and ready for us. But if thats the name of the game for the people who, who didnt vote for you, what would your message be to them . I told them that they will see me. I am a man of my word. I would prove to them. Right. And if you was, if you study the social media, many of them have realized so democracy elections, or that would be uh, hard thought there would be hires cuz this is um, this part of democracy. Fine. But in the end i. Ready i feel the mandate, i will work for my people. Even those who do not vote for me, i will. I will defend them. Lets move on to foreign policy. Indonesia has a long history off a normal lines, charging a middle part. I believe one of the Founding Fathers referred to it as growing between 2 rates. How much of a priority is this for you . I, i said many times that this alteration is all history that we do not want to belong to any blocks. We dont want to be long, especially mid 3 alliances are guiding philosophy is to be friends with all countries in one particular situation that is significant for the region, the south china sea. Do you see that indonesia could perhaps help with diffusing tensions in the region over that matter . I think we can try and we would like try. I dont and we have tried but we also have shown that by diplomacy, by negotiations, what i call the asian way, you know, uh, i think we have diffused lago situation. I was at the shangri la dialog. Anything for that year that you gave the speech about the asian way . Can you explain what that, what that means . Aisha association. We have experienced a lot of fun and interference in the past several 100 years, right . I always say we never went to europe, but europe ians came to us. They basically color nice us the dates are fit in our internal politics for hundreds of years in india, in the kingdom of bird. My been into a china my yeah, in china and right now is invaded also in the last 2 or 3400 years. Right . So we experience that we have this. And so for instance, such as a show we were, we have the horse and 150 years ago. Think that, i mean, you know, in the show was in conflict with melisha. We single board. But we solve that without for an interference results. We met and that is the the asian way, i think. So in this current geo Political Climate where we see the us and china competing for influence all over the world but, but also in southeast asia. How does indonesia manage that situation of as you say, being friends with everyone . And in this case, the us and with china, because they are very open you know, weve, weve got my say we, we, we respect you, we are grateful to you for your vice assistance. And we welcome you. Please come in through the shop, take part in already economic development. We invite the americans continuously. We invite the japanese, the koreans, the a very strong here. Do invest the. Here we are open to them. Do your opinions. We invite the chinese, we invite and you were recently in china. Yes, i was in china. I was in japan. I wa