Hello and welcome to the program. Im 40 back people. Europe is getting ready for next months. Crucial parliamentary vote. Ministers in brussels has signed off a Major Overhaul of migration and assign them rules. As a campaigning hates up. Polls at predicting a shop turn to the right, with the rise of right wing parties across the continent. This is a 1st year a p and part of enrolled. Since the u. K. Left the blog, the election will shape the future of the institutions and reflect the Political Landscape of individual member states. So lets take a closer look at the voting process. 415000000 are eligible to cast their ballots across europe. Between june, 6th, and 9th seats in the European Parliament depend on the population. Theyll be 720 this year. Each of the 27 e u countries has a number of any piece coordinating with that population size, results are decided by proportional representation, so every volt accounts to gain a majority parties, form alliances. These alliances are usually made up of parties from different countries. The European Parliament is one of the eas core institutions. It works with the European Council on amending and passing laws proposed by the European Commission. And we have a lot to get to it, i guess in just a moment for us this report for me. When jim came back, its less than a month until people in europe have this say, when he gets to sit on one of the 720. 00 seats in the European Parliament post predict, arise at the right, across the continent. Jose from the so were defending the National Frontier with the re establishment of a boat is the end of Free Movement from non europeans and the abolition of a large part of the asylum. And immigration packed. The french far right wreck on get body is line with my to so b needs leak potty in italy. Mary shells on is maureen. The Penn National riley is own truck to make gains in front along with lambs, milan in belgium, in austria, the freedom party, and germanys a f d. E running on similar anti immigrant, g green and fall right platforms. Europes interest politicians and says this selection is a flight, the democracy, and the you itself. Since many of the right wing parties say they want to dismantle the European Union. What is at stake in this election will define the future of our continued. Do we want to strong europe that fights for values and that would be more perceive or on the other hand, or do we let our democracies be hijacked by the proxies and put puppets of author retirements . Do we let send me a road and clear road . Every scene we have built over more than 70 years in germany, there been 3 attacks on political figures in one week, which many politicians playing on their role as a default, right . Using many tutton and we do not stand idly by when Public Officials campaign is of volunteers. Brucely attacked when election posters for the european elections destroyed. Fueling the plains. If the rights popularity is you, its housing crisis. The far right like immigrants and it leads the rising rents and spinning high surprises. Some politicians want to utilize the anger farm is struggling to make a living, who are frustrated with your screen policies. Whoever, unless argue its unlucky. Whitening gangs. You translate into video problems. Since issues like russias war and ukraine developed detroit so disinterested, lawrence is when, like, he maintained the majority for an eye. And that for that grip on Decision Making in the you mentioned kinda alger 0, the inside story, or the national bringing out guess for todays show in brussels. Peter clapper was the editor in chief of brussels report, dot e, you on the campaign trail in stockholm ana maria, correct . A built whos in the running to be an m e p. And in bass, england. Okay. The, im on dont senior lecture in political languages and international studies. At the university of 5, he specializes in extremism and racism in your a warm welcome to all 3 of you. Thank you so much for joining us before we zoom in on specific countries and spec civic issues, i wanted to talk big picture 1st and on a maria. Let me come to you since you on the campaign trail at the moment. Your full, my e p. P. Group m e p, youre currently on the campaign trail in sweden with the liberals, part of a new europe group. These elections anna maria, being described as the most consequential in decades. What is at stake as far as your concerned . Thank you. What have the war now . Come to nothing, we have a price is war and conflicts around the us. And the me, the least for example, i need also concerns foster very closely. And so its, its extremely important how the next your Peer Department is going to look. And what i see has a great slides and on we the, on the bar and kids to avoid that is the, the liberal to renew your, which is the unexplained mean for the no, because its, its modest or in the middle between a degree plus 5, g a and the source of this girl couldnt be eventually replaced by the extreme right. Probably is grow, which is the concept, but the red form is, was led by the primary. So hes heading towards the middle near where the swedish democrats from sweden are. Thats with not the only change to 40 to come off so youll be a part of them and we will go from a constructive approach. We learn all differences to bring full worth and you will be an agenda to bottom and there im so what just try to block and the and the way that you are beyond that. Yeah. Right. Most of them expensive built in it. I was, i was going to come to that because the polls, as you say, suggest that the right and hotline, conservative parties could finish it for us. The 9 states including in front and the netherlands and 2nd and 3rd in countries like germany, spain and portugal concerning to you as you say. So what are you telling voters on the campaign trail . How you convincing them not to vote for these bodies . And so we need a very strong in united euro to spend the uh for the people trained wherever they writing the history. A viewer with a lot. What Freedom Fighters for holding up for the war. No peace and security that made that we have since one or 2 in europe. Peace and spend up against both 10 points of style to photo boss. So as long as for thing is there all of europe, and i would say the world is on the set, therefore only, and your mind so that strong euro can a song, its today tomorrow and after tomorrow we need to accelerate the process of having a trade in the coming in to the european family, and no one can do it to low defiance except to come to our teaching table. So we are very, very clear the only together we can take the challenge to be but as of the big challenges of our time, mainly security, but also Climate Change. There is a cream and not like, you know, societies migration of this big issue, not the least that we have to grow. We right the, we need more trade when we were down deeper. Yeah. Well delve deeper into the issues that will they will be going to these agents only ever a little later in the conversation on a maria. They are some important issues indeed. But let me bring peter into the conversation. Peter, your in the heart of the you in brussels, what difference will fall right and hard write gains make to the working so of the apartment, if these polls uh, uh, as predicted. Right, as well if the um uh the is your roof in particular um would be stronger than of course their agenda will also, you know, be more strongly representative here in brussels. Now i think we have to ask ourselves the question, why are voters abandoning the more centrist groups and, and voting for the more life feet groups . I wouldnt know to call them far. I dont think people associate far right. But now not suzanne everything. Uh, some of them are definitely wiping both lists. Thats perhaps fair to say. Both of them are basically strongly in favor of National Democracy on self determination. And they are very skeptical about centralization of power. You know, centralization of power, which in itself is quite an author, terry, and take a now why are voters, you know, moving away from specifically the Renewal Group which and the previous baker mentions . Well, i think simply because this group, which used to have some more framework, the liberal elements, has moved strongly to the left to its current leader. Miss heidi, she refuses to even consider, you know, scrapping parts of the green deal legislation that has been implemented over the last 5 years. The green deal has angered not only the farmers but also um, you know, many industry representatives in europe that does say that, you know, we have big competitiveness problems. And perhaps we have to, you know, reflect whether some of these green roles have not been a 2 way street. Okay, and maria, perhaps you want to respond to that. Before i bring a lady out into the conversation, butyllithium is not about centralization of power. We are part of a family of the union, a the bottom terry basis and we decided together, its not anyone else besides, for us its the governments that are elected in the fall of materials that are linked to the design. I do very much agree that the next month that we have to go some trade as ive just actually im competitive nice because of the green the was, was set up on the stage 2019 asked about the call be it high interest rate, High Enterprises inflation no contract to and the war in europe and the one that has the ability to so of course we have to adjust the way we limit the green, the again, the way that we take him to account though we all, it takes us far ours and companies i am as more from a company, so i fully agree with that, but it doesnt need to go to the left, right. Not thats all. It is the, the, the urgency to when the Climate Change is for the benefit of course of foreigners phone benefit companies as well. But no one should be left behind. And next month the Climate Action and competitiveness has to go hand in hand. And our legislation has to be less deep and more taking into reality into consideration berryanne into your companies. And i think we are going there because we have the lead time report about the money into the report on the table for the internal market for competitive. And thats exactly what we are doing. Okay, community to come out from the table. Some of the legislation farms before exactly to respond to the farmers concerns. Ok, so we dont want to issue out of maria, but there many others of course. Uh and i do want to hear your thoughts about those, of course migration being one of them as well as you, you mentioned policy towards the middle east and i and relations with the us. I do want to address all these all those issues, but okay. Yeah, let me get your thoughts 1st on what peter talk to box, and thats the reasons why voters are turning away from these mainstream parties across the continent. Were seeing, you know, political groups that were once on the fringes of attracting as many as one 3rd of voters. Whats left to this, what are they benefiting from right now . He thinks but i mean, im not to sound quite concerned. Yeah. Um, but the base so far because it seems to me, but we havent been to these lessons for the last 20 years. You know, the ross of a far right is not something about us up and maybe see, it isnt on the 1st on we all facing, you know, research and bobbys on the, on the, on the far right extreme right. Im, you know, i am using but as far and extreme right very carefully, you know, based on 15 years of research, i think its a huge mistake because im hoping to try to go 10 popular things like your family. So it is computing property code is just not a good definition by any serious academic standards. So i will use attempt. Alright, im concerned about what ive heard just not just you disobey, but what i said beyond. Because we are not any from mistakes 1st made to our punishment, but your interaction upon it are popular setup elections be what we call 2nd order elections, which is beyond the same as national elections. People tend to vote, you know, more progressed by the next ones and elections and people tend to vote less as well. For example, in 2019, there was only a 50 percent turn out, which means, but one out of every 2 york info just did not enough to budge either your be in elections. As i said, theyre also 2nd order elections. Which means that actually people are more likely to play football season might not necessarily agree we just send a message to brussels to send a message to beverly. So again, we need to type on a, basically a massive grain of salt, right . As you said, you know, both as my boat 1st aid fall with our eyes, but hes caught up in voters upstate evenings, but really only 50 percent of the population voted from the bottom right. Meaning the 85 percent did not vote for us. All right. And these, these 85 percent that we need to talk to at the moment is what i hear is no one is still going through these. 85 percent is that what were talking about is the re negative on the drain deal, reuniting on and actually got more hopeful politics. And instead typing into it too far right now that takes off of migration or borders of molar by next and so on. And im very, very concerned about it because of mainstreaming of Foreign Policy is not the result of thought, right . But it uses the box you that its a result of main street politicians completely failing their role 12th, a positive out to use to what, what we are seeing at the moment. I know, maria, your response, are you talking to the 85 percent of that or the on just mentioned by it, but i very much agree with the with beats or of course i havent been now going around or of sweden, a big small seat account to sign doesnt need to need to meet, i mean, done, at least not the only fault. I dont door of a single meeting where i dont want to focus on. So i come before stay later to talk to people in that i. I always answer questions and i think its extremely important that we talk to them and i agree and listen to them. Thats why i said, what i said its, its a fruit all 4 months on the campaign for a and the i, i do think that the elections, you elections, of features that are taking just seriously. And there was a lot of process. Its very modest because people dont really know fully, maybe that european products is so much part of a life and the future such a thing, it should be taken most seriously. But i, id say, oh, this conversation and i, i really like it and i think it is important and it doesnt make it back to. Lots of them are just, you know, they dont propose anything thats just against. Okay. And it just begins ever since i saw, i mean, my colleagues and i, i really think its, uh, we need to have all those in the room in this Election Campaign went in for the dishes that im talking about. The fact that i see that really on the far right for really talking about the sites. Okay. And the, the maria mentioned having adults in the room there. And i just wanted to ask you what you, to what extent you think, you know, if these photos are all correct due to what extent do you think the mainstream parties will be willing to cooperate with, with the hard drive and the far right. But the hard drive that we had talked about, and on what issues will they be able to collaborate on the 6 a while i think what you see is that some of the ideas that are being supported by more right. When you know Political Parties have already made it their way to, you know, the history, uh and many cases are basically the main street in embracing again. Well, the ones, the fund that so for the main issue for voters is migration. And i dont think uh, the adults people are in itself against migration, you know, they understand that its very valuable. But its more the, the, the control migrations pro is that we continue to see. And the politicians at this point, many attempts do not seem to manage to control. And i guess thats why now today the, the check Prime Minister yesterday, he announced the 19, you remember states or no, urging your commission to um, to initiate a externalization off of the southern process. So this is basically what do, you know, governments trying with is wrong to approach, but its most importantly, what was truly a has managed to do. Uh and, and, you know, this has, this has less to illegal entry into his trulia and the number of this sheet falling to the 0 near 0. The fact that you know that if you based on human smuggler and you try to sneak into a stray or that you will be bras to another country in this case pa funded to get um, you know, does that sort of stops the smuggling and its, um, i think its, its quite hopeful that your be politicians are also embracing this now because also for, you know, Asylum Seekers didnt, could actually be a good thing to good. I mentioned a new folder as their license sheet. Do you agree with that one . Yeah. Do you agree with that the you know, i, i dont agree with the not the time you studied the policies that were put in place in australia, vision of a century. I think already there was a model i think about that people are writing by probably there were thoughts you where people are writing by vote in australia and people are mistaken babies, us arriving by planned for example. It wasnt more funny. Aspirated exactly the same way as of all, if anybodys traded in europe at the moment. And i dont saying by putting by wire on boarders or sending people to countries like around are whether it was stuff thats the more touchy is the solution to these issues. I would also like to go back to the usual migration, dig up, i need the most could settings it to voters. I think we are going to talk about some next steps here. Im going to see twice about lab. Think of what the far right is telling us. Ive done some research on these. Are these happens and, you know, looking at the euro, garments of data, for example, are we supposed to be such some of these questions across the day that you do . What is the tracking . Is that so that even the refinement that asks the same people, 2 questions, one is, according to you, what are the 2 biggest issues facing your country at the moment, but not wanting to do . What are the 2 biggest issues you office already facing at the moment when people are thinking about that sounds great. 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