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inclusion of everyone who would believe. >> so the challenge is, how do you include those who would not believe. those who come and say i believe in good things, this season is relevant to me because of the need, i'm just not dogmatic, i'm not theological it n what is the message to them? >> there are universal themes. do you know what element meteorology the world? it's to tie one back to. religion means to tie people back to what really matters. what matters? mercy, compassion, forgiveness, these are universal themes. christians do not have a corner on any of those themes. when we get that in our heads that we're about the same mission, a and i think we all are, all the fundamental faiths are, if we live religion to what it's supposed to be, it's about tying back to what matters. >> the idea that pope francis seems to be doing exactly that, the catholic church, one of the

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