Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC Newsroom Live 20171116 : vimarsa

Transcripts For BBCNEWS BBC Newsroom Live 20171116

Also russias presence at next years Winter Olympics is in doubt. The World Anti Doping Agency maintain its suspension, saying russia is still failing to comply with its rules. 400 million is the bed and the piece is sold. The highest ever price paid for a work of art a painting by Leonardo Da Vinci fetches over £340 million. Good morning. Its thursday 16th november. Im annita mcveigh. Welcome to bbc newsroom live. The future of zimbabwes long time leader, Robert Mugabe, remains unclear after he was placed under house arrest by the countrys military. Two envoys from south africa have arrived in the capital, harare, to try to hold talks with the 93 year old and zimbabwes generals, who deny theres been a coup. The armys intervention is being seen by many as an attempt to prevent mr mugabes wife, grace, from succeeding him. Laura westbrook reports. What would have been unthinkable only a few weeks ago has happened Robert Mugabe, the worlds oldest leader, has lost control of the country he has ruled for 37 years. The military denied staging a coup, but it is clear that Robert Mugabe is no longer calling the shots. Zimbabwes ruling party, the zanu pf, were emphatic. President mugabe is still in power. Hes the man in charge of zimbabwe, officially, right now. A lot has happened. But what has not happened is a coup. The language is important, and key regional bloc, the African Union, has given its full support to the countrys legal situations. Translation this boils down to an internal struggle the ministry informs us this is not a. Iwant to the ministry informs us this is not a. I want to thank them for removing this tyrant. This boils down to an internal struggle within the governing zanu pf. On one side, this man, emmerson mnangagwa, and on this side Robert Mugabes wife, grace, one of the most powerful politicians in the country. It is believed her being groomed to succeed mr mugabe has sparked this takeover. Reports say the military has began to arrest those close to her. There has to be a transition away from Robert Mugabe but any transition needs to be credible. Zimbabweans are waking up to a country that has changed dramatically. But whether it is the change they had been hoping for is far from clear. Our correspondent Pumza Fihlani is following events from johannesburg in neighbouring south africa. Do we have any real idea how discussions are going, which seemed to be designed to persuade him to step down . There is Nothing Official yet. We are hearing this from various sources which are unconfirmed, i must stress. Were hearing that Robert Mugabe is not in talks with the military officers, as well as the envoys which were sent by president zuma yesterday to try to mediate a peaceful transition. Also the region is very busy today because in botswana there is a regional ministerial meeting to see how the neighbouring states can help zimbabwe to get out of this crisis. So you have botswana and all eyes or on what is happening in harare. In terms of the streets, it is still quiet but tens. There are conflicting reports about where grace mugabe is. Our understanding as she is with her husband Robert Mugabe under house arrest in harare. There were conflicting reports yesterday which said she had gone to namibia. It sounds like shes with president Robert Mugabe. You can imagine what is happening in that room. She was hoping to be Vice President. The Vice President who was sacked is now back in the country. We understand the Opposition Leader morgan chang awry has returned from Health Treatment abroad to be part of the negotiating team. Thank you. With me is dr sue onslow from the institute of commonwealth studies at university of london. She has written extensively about Robert Mugabe. Is he the sort of man who could be persuaded to step down from power . He isa persuaded to step down from power . He is a seasoned negotiator. At lancaster house, he was resilient and focused on what he wanted to achieve. He didnt get it, but he has considerable experience. This will be a very tense set of discussions. And how he responds to mediators will be crucial in determining what happens next whether there is a smooth transition oi whether there is a smooth transition or not . This is a struggle within the party the military is intimately connected to the party. The importance says that is our new pf are emphasising they have processes in play that must be adhered to. That is a strong car Robert Mugabe house to play. He haas to comply or go along with requests for him to stand down or make it altogether more difficult. Since he is refusing to relinquish control, this places the militarys gesture in a difficult position. The African Union would have to take action if it is confirmed to be a coup. House split is zanu pf over Robert Mugabe . How split. Split is zanu pf over Robert Mugabe . How split. It has been a bitter struggle. Rivalfactions both want to see the old man go. But the fight over a succession to see the old man go. But the fight over a succession is between the faction following grace mugabe or the other candidate. The revolution, which was zanu pfs agenda, was a powerful party card. This could take weeks. It is very murky what is going on. Conflicting reports. The game is not yet played out. Thank you. Police believe they have now found and identified the bodies of everyone who died in the Grenfell Tower fire. Theyve put the final number of victims at 71, including a stillborn baby. In the immediate aftermath of the blaze, 400 people were listed as missing. They said the search and identification operation had been meticulous. Commander stuart cundy at the metropolitan police has been speaking to our correspondent tom burridge. I cant icant imagine i cant imagine the families of those who have died have gone through over the last five months. It has been a priority for us to search Grenfell Tower and find all those who died, recover them with dignity. And subsequently identified. Yesterday, the last two identities of those that were recovered were confirmed to the satisfaction of the coroner. I now now with confidence that the number of people that have died in a result of people that have died in a result of the fire is 71 and sadly that includes a stillborn baby. It has taken so long because of the sheer challenge that Grenfell Tower has placed on all emergency services, but particularly the specialist teams that were used to recover all those that have died. 71 people, and it is not about the number it is about the people, but the challenge of it has been immense. Specialist teams have worked through 15 and a half tonnes of debris on each and every floor of Grenfell Tower by hand to find every fragment they can of all those who died. That has been extremely distressing to all those involved. Your previous estimate was that roughly eight 80 people had perished. Why have you taken the figure down and reached this figure . We have had thousands of calls. In june, based on all the information and their families and next of kin who came forward, we projected the figure might have been about 80. Da two main reasons that number has come down. Sadly, we are investigating a number of fraud allegations. Earlier this month, investigating a number of fraud allegations. Earlierthis month, one man has pleaded guilty. He said his wife and child had died with the fire. Equally, the calls we received reported many people missing. One person was reported missing by 46 different people. We spent months trying to track down each and every one of those people. We have tracked down around the world and we are satisfied they are alive and well. The final number, sadly it is 71 people have died. What you say to people have died. What you say to people who are still sceptical . But you say to someone who still questions the official figure . The work we have in our investigation, we have cctv images of all those who came out. There is only one way in and out of the tower. We have footage of everyone who came out of the tower. We have body worn images from Police Officers. 223 people came out of Grenfell Tower and survived. Which is tremendous that so many came out of such an awful and horrific fire. With confidence, ican and horrific fire. With confidence, i can say that 223 people were in the tower that night. Not all of them are residents, some were visitors. Some residents were not in the tower on the night. With confidence, we can say 71 have died. They were the people we were expecting to find. When i went into g re nfell tower a few expecting to find. When i went into Grenfell Tower a few days after the fire had been put out, i honestly thought it was likely we would not find everybody who had died. Im so pleased for the families and the loved ones of all those who have died that weve been able to find all those who died. Recover them, identify them and return as much as we possibly can back to their families. Our correspondent nick beake is in west london for us now. What more have the police been seeing today . Well, i havejust what more have the police been seeing today . Well, i have just been listening in to a further update from commander stuart cundy and he has been giving some fern are interesting and significant detail. He hasjust interesting and significant detail. He has just told interesting and significant detail. He hasjust told us interesting and significant detail. He has just told us that Grenfell Tower will remain a crime scene until next spring. Even though the police say that the recovery operation and trying to find the remains of victims will go on for a couple of weeks now, for potentially the next 56 months, Grenfell Tower ball remain the responsibility of the police. We have a huge criminal investigation under way. On a daily basis, experts are going in, forensic teams, looking for any sort of evidence because the police have said this is a fire that simply should not have happened. To that end, their investigation continues. That begs the question, what will happen potentially next april or may . Will the tower be knocked down . Will it be demolished . The police have just said they would not stand in the way of that process but it is not one for them. It is the council and others who will be responsible for that decision. I should also say the police will say they will try to reconstruct in some way exactly how the fire took hold and spread. That will be done through computer animations and Computer Graphics but also physically reconstructing some flats. The police say they are treating every flat that was in g re nfell tower treating every flat that was in Grenfell Tower as an individual crime scene. How significant is it today that the police have put a final number on the victims . Theyve been talking about how painstaking that work has been. How significant is that, in terms of the inquests and the broader enquiry of course . Well, i think it is a significant moment. Five months on after the dreadful fire moment. Five months on after the dreadfulfire here, police are giving a sense of finality and if that had definite figure on the number of people who perished at night. 71. In the days after the fire, there was much anger, confusion, mistrust of authorities. Some people saying there were many more people within the building that night. I spoke to a local councillor a few minutes ago. He said people here grudgingly have come to the conclusion that that figure is accurate. That was his own perspective. Resigned some people about what happened in the days and weeks after the fire, but a significant moment. The policing 293 people they believed were in the tower that night. They looked at emma gees worn on the bodies of Police Officers and cctv. They have come to the conclusion that 71 people died. The inquests that takes place next week we believe will be the final inquests. Then the focus will shift to the criminal investigation. The wire enquiry of lessons that can be learned and if appropriate apportioning some sort of blame. People may have contributed through negligence or otherwise to this awful fire. Thank you. The headlines on bbc newsroom live the future of zimbabwes long time leader Robert Maghaberry remains unclear leader Robert Maghaberry remains u nclear after leader Robert Maghaberry remains unclear after he was placed under house arrest by the countrys military. The metropolitan police have said theirfinal military. The metropolitan police have said their final assessment is that 71 people were killed in the g re nfell tower that 71 people were killed in the Grenfell Tower fire. And the government has announced new measures to build more houses. It will encourage Housing Associations to borrow money in order to invest in more properties. The annual price of foot ball study is out. It shows the sport is facing a challenge to retain a young fans. More than half of 1824 retain a young fans. More than half of 18 24 year olds surveys said they did not believe football was being run with them in mind. And russias hopes of competing in the Winter Olympics have been dealt a blow. And Mark Stoneman has scored a century on the second day of the final warm century on the second day of the finalwarm up game century on the second day of the final warm up game ahead of the ashes. I will have more sport in about ten minutes. The government is pledging to build more homes more quickly. The communities secretary is promising new measures in the budget next week to tackle the shortage of affordable accommodation. Our chief Political Correspondent vicki young is in westminster for us now. There is a big debate over exactly how you define affordable accommodation. The government is trying to get this out ahead of the budget. Is there a real sense of momentum behind these moves . There is when you think about the words, but too many people watching and listening to this, these are not new arguments. All Political Parties agree there is a problem and again today we have had another analysis of the problem from the housing minister. Eat particularly about the generational divide, talking about the so called baby boomers who have bought houses, they have gone up in price, and comparing that to the younger generation. He gave a startling statistic that a third of men in their 30s are still living at home. He does say it is time to act. The question is how. He talked about a giant leap. Really ramping up expectations ahead of next weeks budget. He said part of the problem has been getting everyone to work together. It is notjust about government intervening, it is about the Public Sector and the private sector, councils and Central Government all working together. This is what sajid javid had to say. In the budget next week, we will show how hard we are willing to fight to get britain building. As i have said, Central Government can only do so much. If you are going to fix our broken housing market, if we re fix our broken housing market, if were going to repair the damage thats been done to our societies and communities, if were going to make good on our promise to the next generation, then just like make good on our promise to the next generation, thenjust like in the day of churchill, we all have a role to play. Will have to roll up our sleeves and get to work. Most important of all, we all have to ask ourselves, what kind of country do we want this to be . The big unknown and this is how far is Philip Hammond the treasury prepare to go on this . Sajid javid is pitching for more money. He probably wants to listen the planning rules and try and get more built on public lands, the question is whether Philip Hammond is prepared to do that. Hes very much focused on getting down the governments deficit, holding the governments deficit, holding the Purse Strings pretty tight, but with this kind of rhetoric today from the housing minister, people really are expecting quite a big move in next weeks budget. John mcdonnell has spoken about what labour would like to see in the budget. Are spending restless. Thats right. This goes back to their election manifesto, talking about the need to borrow to invest. Much more willing to do that than the conservatives have been in the past. John mcdonnell talking today about £17 billion a year increase in day to day spending to go into Public Services as well as things like housing. He said it will be paid for by tax rises, particularly on corporations and taking tax games away from the richest in society. Hes also looking at trying to get more money off those trying to avoid their tax. Labour say this is all perfectly possible without adding too much to the governments deficit. Andrea leadsom is to make a Statement Today about the new commons grievance procedure for people who say they have been assaulted or harassed. Of this a lot of people will be watching to find out what precisely that is going to consist of giving the criticism there isnt really a system in place to support pe

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