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BBCNEWS BBC News At Five February 12, 2018

Government in Northern Ireland. The future of south africas president , jacob zuma, hangs in the balance as the governing anc party meets to discuss next steps. And, lucky to be in one piece, team gb snow boarder aimee fuller has her dreams dashed as vicious cross winds affect todays winter olympics. Its 5 oclock. Our main story is that penny lawrence has resigned as deputy chief executive of oxfam, saying she takes full responsibility for the behaviour of staff in chad and haiti, which the charity had failed to act upon adequately. It follows allegations of Sexual Misconduct by Disaster Relief staff following the Haiti Earthquake in 2010. Penny lawrence said she was ashamed this had happened on her watch. representatives from oxfam have been meeting the International Development secretary, penny mordaunt, whos threatened to withdraw the charitys government funding. Our correspondent matt cole has the latest. In the worst imaginable circumstances, oxfam staff were meant to be in haiti to help. Its now clear some had a very different agenda. Amidst claims of sex parties and prostitutes, oxfam sacked three staff and allowed four others to quit, including their country director, who went on to secure work with another aid organisation. Ina in a statement, penny lawrence said. Oxfa m oxfam denies trying to cover up the extent of their staffs impropriety, but as details have emerged, so have demands for answers, not least from the government. It is to the department here that oxfams leaders we Re Department here that oxfams leaders were summoned to make the case to the secretary of state, following her threat to cut millions of pounds of funding if she didnt like their a nswe is. Of funding if she didnt like their answers. Emerging afterwards, oxfams Senior Leaders didnt stop to talk, but theyre not the only ones under pressure to give answers as the regulator, the Charity Commission, is being asked what it knew, when, and why it didnt do more. They did say that they were investigating some allegations of Sexual Misconduct. Why wasnt that looking to further . Because what was not clear was the extent and seriousness of those, which as i have said, they assured us, in fact they categorically said there was no allegations of abuse of beneficiaries. There are also questions for Civil Servants here after another former secretary of state, priti patel, suggested they dismissed her efforts to question the wider problem of sexual abuse and predatory behaviour in the Charity Sector. See the children has volunteered that it tackled 31 claims of Sexual Harassment last year, but it says everyone must do more. Im not going to sit here and pretend to you that i can wave a magic wand and eliminate all risk tomorrow, but what i can do is to assure the British Public and the British Government and the people who were ultimately responsible for, the abuse of these Vulnerable Women and children, we will give this our best shot. The situation is clearly not a one off. 1000 incidents have been reported to it from across the sector. Oxfam says it has strengthened its safeguarding measures, but it is understood that the secretary of state is now considering what further steps need to be taken in an effort to enforce a zero tolerance approach. 0ur correspondent will grant is in haiti, where he says its clear that aid agencies will need to work hard to rebuild trust within the country. By by and large, the reaction in haiti to the 0xfam scandal has been twofold. 0n the one hand, there is the anger and resentment of the fact that this organisation ostensibly here to help the countrys most probable after the 2010 earthquake ended up exploiting those people instead, and there is a certain degree of resignation. People here say that the sorts of abuses that we re say that the sorts of abuses that were happening where well known. We have reached out to people in the Charity Sector you who say that they have certainly heard rumours and they point to a wider culture of abuse that they say has been happening among international organisations. They point at the Un Peacekeeping force, for example, a very high profile case of alleged sexual abuse of minors, and the fact that the Un Peacekeeping force were said to have introduced cholera to this country. As for 0xfam, they say they are going to work hard to rebuild public trust in britain in their reputation, but in fact they already have a very, very long way to go to rebuild trust here in haiti again to. That was will brand. We will talking moments to a former aid worker and now labour mp, peter kyle. We a re worker and now labour mp, peter kyle. We are getting a statement from belfast. This is sinn fein. We have stated very clearly that at this juncture what is required now is political will to make that happen. This is now a decisive phase of the process. This is the week for decision time. We made it very clear when we came into this round of talks that we did so on the basis that we would have delivery, that there was clarity on the key outstanding issues, and that we would not enter into an endless meandering process, because ultimately, for a deal to happen, the parties have you want a deal to happen. We dont believe that there is anything now insurmountable left to resolve. There are matters of clarity and some detail, and we have said very clearly to the government that we expect all parties supported, encouraged by the two governments, facilitated by the two governments, facilitated by the two governments, to demonstrate leadership that is required now, to demonstrate the requisite political will and to move forward in that spirit. We also took the opportunity to speak to both governments on a number of key issues, on the issue brexits and the fact that any attempt to coerce the north out of the Single Market and the Customs Union will be to our mind disastrous and reckless. We have argued and pressed again the case for what we refer to as special status. We are not really bothered what its called. We are bothered that we protect the livelihoods, that we protect the livelihoods, that we protect the livelihoods, that we protect the economy, the social and political fabric of the north of ireland and indeed the island as a whole. We raised issues around legacy. Legacy funding, the need for the infrastructure and the apparat us to give some level of comfort and relief to victims and survivors of the conflict, the need obviously far legacy inquest funding, as identified by the chiefjustice. We are also mindful of the fact that todayis are also mindful of the fact that today is the anniversary of an event that requires a public enquiry. We also will raise the issue of another anniversary which requires a report. May i ask you, would you be confident to go to your grassroots with this position and do you believe the dup are in the same position . We have made it very clear that we will read from the front on this. We believe that functioning institutions, that power sharing, grounded in respect, is in the best interests of all our people across all communities. We believe that we are all communities. We believe that we a re close all communities. We believe that we are close to an agreement which certainly we can put to our grassroots, and to the community as a whole. We are not exactly there just yet, but let me repeat, there is nothing insurmountable. If there is nothing insurmountable. If there is the political will. If there is the political will to reach an agreement, we certainly have that determination and that resolve. This has been a long process. We are now 13 months in this position. The issues have been important, the issues have been important, the issues have been difficult in some respects, but they were never beyond resolution, so what we want now is to finalise a deal, a deal that delivers on the core issues that have been clear from the get go. But be in no doubt that we are serious about functioning power sharing. We are serious about a democratic platform that serves all of our people. We are serious about working in good faith, in partnership with others, and be in no doubt that we expect the same leadership and the same political will to be demonstrated by our partners in unionism, by the dup, and indeed by the two governments, and this is the week and this is the time now to decide. This is the time to decide. I spoke about give and take in any negotiation and that has to be the case. For us, the issues are clear. An Irish Language act is clear. That is what we have set out to achieve. When you look at a whole range of issues, what we are trying to do here is resolve those issues at the heart of the current political impasse, but we need to ensure that there is Public Confidence once again. The only way that can happen is that people feel that the institutions are going to reflect the interests of all people. Do you meet the dup today and did you have any discussions . Today, we met with both governments. We didnt have the opportunity to meet with the dup. Clearly, we need to meet. We need to resolve the outstanding issues. As i said, iam resolve the outstanding issues. As i said, i am absolutely confident that that can happen. For our part, we stand ready to lead. I hope that position is reflected equally in the leadership of the dup because we know that despite the shortcomings at times of these institutions, despite the fact that people sometimes look to the folks on the hill with the raised eyebrow, the reality is that functioning institutions, as michelle has said, that deliver for people, are in the best interests of everybody so we wa nt best interests of everybody so we want that to happen and we need the deal to be agreed and delivered that can make that happen in a way that is credible, in a way that builds Public Confidence, and in a way that says to every section of our community that Good Governance year in the north of ireland can deliver for everybody, for every citizen. We are confident that that can happen and we will have to engage with the dup to bring that over the line. You are watching bbc news at five of this is live coverage from stormont at the moment where talks have been taking place between the british and Irish Governments on trying to restore devolved government to Northern Ireland. This is the sinn fein contingent and that is the president of sinn fein giving us an update on the talks. She is saying nothing insurmountable to resolve in the view of sinn fein. We are not exactly there just yet. We are close to agreement, she says. And then she added that despite having had talks with both governments, theresa may, and the taoiseach, did not have a meeting with the dup. And of course without the agreement of the dup, there will be no agreement. So despite the fact that they say they are despite the fact that they say they a re close despite the fact that they say they are close to agreement and there is nothing insurmountable, as they go back into their offices there in stormont, we are not at the point where there is a formal agreement in place and of course if we get any more updates for you there from stormont we will bring them to you as soon as we can. 0ur stormont we will bring them to you as soon as we can. Our main story is the scandal that is engulfing 0xfam because of allegations of Sexual Misconduct against some of its aid workers in haiti and some in chad. We have had the deputy chief executive resigning today, saying that she takes responsibility because it happened while she was responsible for this area. Im joined now by the labour mp for hove, peter kyle, who is also a former aid worker. Sorry to keep you waiting. We had to go to that opted there in belfast. What do you think of the way that 0xfa m what do you think of the way that 0xfam has handled this . What do you think of the way that oxfam has handled this . Well, i am glad that somebody has accepted responsibility, but i am not sure what she has accepted responsibility for yet. It is clear, although they deny it, that there was a cover up. The clear obligation is that when this was discovered there wasnt a spirit of openness around it. There was a culture of trying to keep this quiet, trying to keep it within their organisation, to downplay it in their communication with the Charity Commission and probably the government and others. If one lesson that we have learned from when this has happened in this country, in rotherham and withjimmy savile in the bbc, it is that we need to be public about it for the simple reason that other organisations need to learn from it. We know these things goes on. We know there is this cancer in our society which is about sexual explication and paedophilia, but where it exists and we need to root it out we need to make sure that every other organisation and we as a Society Learn from it. It is very difficult in the front line of aid work when you are surrounded by absolute chaos sometimes and a completely lawless environment to give the same kind of oversight you would, for example, in the bbc or the nhs or in education, but it means that there is an additional bonus on organisations like 0xfam to make sure that we can have the learning from it so that other organisations do not repeat the same mistake. Do you blame ministers for even raising the prospect publicly of having a look at funding for prospect publicly of having a look atfunding foran prospect publicly of having a look at funding for an organisation which in this area seems to have failed in terms of its compliance . In this area seems to have failed in terms of its compliance . |j in this area seems to have failed in terms of its compliance . I think the government needs to be very, very careful about how it uses its money asa careful about how it uses its money as a stick to beat 0xfam with going forward. For two reasons. The first is that there are people who are the beneficiaries of work that 0xfam does, and the majority of work that it does, the overwhelming majority, is absolutely superlative. There are people working in the front line of 0xfa m people working in the front line of 0xfam and across the Aid Community and former aid workers like myself who take huge pride in what we have achieved and what we achieved every day in thatjob, you are bitterly let down by this as much as everybody else. Dont punish them, and dont punish the very Vulnerable People who rely on them at the very front line of this, and secondly i think there is a culture in the aid world which is very competitive for funding, and is territorial. They are sometimes at war with each other to try and hide whats going on and to try and hide whats going on and to hide the expertise that they have and to use it to get more money to do more good work. So if government now threatens them with cutting money for this, its going to be a perverse incentive to other organisations who might have a similar thing who are making a decision about whether they should be open about it or not. I think of it needs to be very responsible to say, look, we want to be a partner with you for putting out this type of behaviour and if it is something criminal bringing it to justice of behaviour and if it is something criminal bringing it tojustice but also sharing this practice and making sure that we as an Aid Community of which government is the key player and we are acting together on this, so government shouldnt try and use this as a test of political virility. I need to see them being very mature and how they respond to this. Do you have any thoughts on recruitment policies, the kinds of people who may be attracted to work for good reasons or maybe not so good reasons . I am discovering that idea for you to comment on and indeed the way people are managed. I have got an awful lot to say on this. From my experience of working in the front line of aid work and working for a very Small Organisation called children on the edge that i had a very small hand in founding back in 1990, we saw all of these different organisations are close. Because aid work in crisis situations is absolutely tumultuous, it is very, very chaotic and lawless, some people gravitate towards that because they are dysfunctional, and they actually feel very comfortable and normal in very dysfunctional situations. They are of the people that aid agencies need to be rooting out. There are lots of other people who go there because they have fantastic skills and expertise and experience they wa nt to and expertise and experience they want to bring to bear in the most chaotic situations and difficult situations. They are the ones we need to keep. Some people make it to the very top you simply wouldnt have that sort of responsibility in any other walk of life. But what you cant tap in a war zone, for example, is people walking in trying to do appraisals in that situation. It is very difficult, so dont pretend it is like any other situation. It is exceptional. It is extreme. But it deems to be tackled and very quickly. Government should be hopping charities to get a very, very best people into these jobs because we are dealing with the most Vulnerable People not just because we are dealing with the most Vulnerable People notjust in our country, the most Vulnerable People in the world. People in the uk traditionally give very generously to charity and do it time and again and that is a very good thing for us to reflect on today. I am wondering whether you have concerns that this kind of incident, this kind of scandal, were actively discourage people who might otherwise have given to stop giving. This is a great taboo that we have and that is criticising aid work. When i was an aid worker, i once went up in kosovo when that country was in crisis, i went up to a producer for a very well known news network and told them about somethin

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