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Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20180220

Delivering self rule anyway . We hearfrom the Irish Government. Also tonight, the rebel held syrian enclave of Eastern Ghouta could become a second aleppo, says the un. Almost 200 people have died in bombings by Government Forces there since sunday. And a male model tells us of the inappropriate behaviour he faces at work. Hello. Two challenges make this a fraught time in Northern Ireland. One it cant agree on self government. And two brexit. And so it has been interesting to watch, in the last few days, a small number of keen brexit supporters suggest that the 20 year old good friday agreement is past its sell by date. Kate hoey said its time for a cold, rational look at it. Mep Daniel Hannan wrote a telegraph piece arguing that british ministers should start working with their irish counterparts on improving the system. Its gently phrased, and its not a brexit point they are making per se, but this sentiment has only come from that side. Theres an interesting linguistic point here, too critics of the agreement tend to call it the belfast agreement, perhaps because good friday makes it sound too holy or reverential. But whatever you call it, for many, the agreement is, of course, synonymous with peace. Today, the Irish Government called those who questioned it reckless. The british said they stand by it steadfastly. So what is going on . Our political editor, nick watt, reports. Yes, 71. 12 . The british people have spoken, and the answer is we are out. They were seismic votes changing the intertwined history of these islands, and the legacy of those referendums, nearly two decades apart, are haunting the politics of today. Remain supporters dream of keeping the uk in the eu, and now some unionist supporters believe the time has come to revisit the good friday agreement after last weeks failure to restore power sharing. I think the word refresh of the good friday agreement, or the belfast agreement, as i would call it, is actually quite important, because time changes lots and lots of things, and of course what we are seeing under direct rule, we have that space to look at it. We cant have a situation where there are two parties in mandatory coalition and one can always pull the plug and say we are walking away, and then they dont go back in until they get some new demands. Today, the government made clear it stands foursquare behind the agreement. As the house will recognise, this april marks the anniversary of the historic belfast agreement. That agreement, along with successors, has been fundamental in helping Northern Ireland moved forward from its violent past to a bright, more secure future, and this governments support for the agreements remain steadfast, as does the commitment to govern for everybody in Northern Ireland. There is fury in senior levels of government after some tories lent their weight to a rethink on the agreement. One minister said it would be the height of absurdity to make unilateral changes to the 1998 agreement. From the Prime Minister downwards, there is a determination to re establish all of its institutions by brokering a deal between the dup and sinn fein. But one of the original signatories to the good friday agreement says that government must act by introducing a short parliamentary bill to hand the powers vested in the Northern Ireland power sharing executive to its assembly. Instead ofjust going on with londons intervening from time to time to do things, but not having proper decisions made by people who have their roots in Northern Ireland and are accountable to the electorate, the only way we can proceed is by having a situation where the assembly can function without an executive. And i think that is possible, and it would be a way of avoiding the present impasse. A former Northern Ireland secretary who presided over changes to the good friday agreement a decade ago acknowledges that there is a precedent for amending the accord. But he warns that todays calls for change, mainly from brexit supporters, could have grave consequences. There is no question that these brextremists, in their hard line support for a particular dogmatic position on brexit, are actually playing with fire, endangering the peace process, and they could incite dissident ira groups who are very well armed and have made attacks and killed people in recent years, although they are very isolated and marginalised at the moment, it could incite greater support for them and a greater threat from them. I dont think theres any threat, any long term threat to what we agreed 20 years ago. And i dont think theres any chance of there being a breakdown and a return to violence. Sinn fein agrees that dissident republicans pose no threat to the peace process, but the party warns of the dangers of challenging the good friday agreement. These interventions represent nothing more than a wreckers charter, and in fact the very wrong headed and irresponsible nature of the interventions at this particular point in time, in fact, exaggerate the extent of the political crisis that we are living through. The good friday agreement has been under relentless push back from sections of political unionism from when it was first signed. Referendums are meant to settle political disputes for a generation from the good friday agreement to brexit, we are learning that to some they are not the final word. Nick watt reporting. I am nowjoined from dublin by the minister for European Affairs in the Irish Government, helen mcentee. Good evening to you, thanks forjoining us. What is your reaction to this debate that has cropped up in this country over the last few days . Well, what i would welcome, firstly, is comments by Karen Bradley and other members of the British Government, who have very clearly said that the good friday agreement is the only way to move forward and is essentially the only show in town. The good friday agreement is an International Peace treaty and has been for the last 20 years the only way that every political voice, every political view and expression has been heard and can be heard, and i think for any suggestions that have been made that it is past its sell by date, that it is no longer of use, i would ask those people to maybe reflect on what things were like 20 years ago, before the agreement was in place. So i welcome confirmation from the British Government that it is the only way forward, and the Irish Government are saying the same. Lets break this down what would happen if the British Government did unilaterally change aspects of the good friday agreement in an attempt to make it work better, for example . What actually happens if it does do that . Well, i mean, the good frida agreement is an International Peace treaty, a young treaty, and you would be essentially changing the way in which citizens north and south, east and west work with each other, engage with each other, and what we have seen over the past 20 years is that we have been able to work together, parties in the north have been able to work in a power sharing executive. Yes, we have hit a bump in the road, but that has not been we need to completely change path, itjust means we need to work together, and that is our focus, the irishs government focus to work with everyone to make sure that those elements of the agreement can be upheld. Obviously, we cant go on forever pretending that the agreement is working if it is not delivering an assembly or an executive in Northern Ireland that is operating. How long would you give it before everybody has to sit down and think again . It has been, what, 13 months now. Do you go on and on saying, lets try . Well, i mean, ithink it is disappointing that we are over one year on and that we dont have an executive, and last weeks events were obviously of concern, but there are a number of mechanisms through which we can work on what is happening, the executive being the most important one, but we also have areas of cooperation, the North South Ministerial Council and the British Irish Council, and we need to make sure, in the absence of a functioning executive, that they are given the power and ability to uphold the elements of the agreement. You have said something very important sorry to interrupt, something very important is that your backstop, substitute for the working of the executive and the assembly . Your substitute is joint sovereignty of the republic and the uk over Northern Ireland . Is that what you want to see if the parties in the north dont get together . Well, what we want to see is an executive functioning in the north, and what we will do is work with the British Government. I understand that, but what is your plan b . To make sure those mechanisms are in place, the North South Ministerial Council and the British Irish Council are already there, already functioning, and in the absence of an executive, we need to make sure that we are working to the best of our ability. I understand your focus, i understand that getting it to work, yeah, yeah. But what about plans to reform how Northern Ireland works . You could say that he would move to the welsh model, the assembly chooses the executive, you dont enshrine in an International Peace treaty, you know, a coalition that will permanently operate between the two sides, you say, we will let the assembly pick it. If they cant get it together, would you be open to the idea ofjoint talks, not unilateral, where that was the kind of thing on the table . The good friday agreement has, i think, the full support of the Northern Ireland citizens, and also citizens in the republic as well, and we heard the statistics at the beginning of the show, over 71 of people overwhelmingly voted in favour of this process, this mechanism, joint power and cooperation, and in the south those figures bring it up to 94 . So the idea of trying to amend something that has worked very successfully, as i said, yes, we have hit a bump in the road, yes, there are challenges notjust in Northern Ireland, but obviously with brexit, and we are dealing with those, but i think the good friday agreement is something that we need to work with. Helen mcentee, that point you have made very clearly, thanks so much forjoining us. Now, nick wattjoins me with news of further ructions in the tory ranks this evening over brexit. What has been happening . I was talking to a remain member of the cabinet this afternoon, who was very cheerful after the speech by david davis, when he said the uk would not have a race to the bottom with the eu, but then this letter from 62 members of the eurosceptic group was leaked to sam coates of the times, and this makes clear that they take a much more restrictive view of what the implementation, the transition period would look like. A harder line than david davis was saying . They are essentially saying to the Prime Minister, be very careful, dont go too far in what you concede. I have been talking to sources in that European Research group, and they are saying there are hundreds of us, that is the message to number ten, so you better watch out. But interestingly, they say their real target is not theresa may, it is the cabinet secretary, and the uks chief negotiator. They are concerned that they are going to lay down what they regard as tricks, so that in 13 months time, when we are out of the eu, our hands can be restricted. Briefly, what about labour . Has the language changed, inching towards a clear position about being in out of the Customs Union . Jeremy corbyn said that the uk would have to be in a Customs Union with the eu, that would be important to sort out the Northern Ireland border, so not the Customs Union. Labour says they cant be in that because you have to respect the result of the referendum, but the reason they say a Customs Union and not in the Single Market is that you dont have the regulatory requirements of the European Court ofjustice. Every day, more names are brought forward in the campaign against inappropriate behaviour, of all kinds, at work. The Charity Sector is feeling the heat at the moment, and today the pm programme on radio 4 revealed allegations of inappropriate behaviour against the former ceo of save the children uk, justin forsyth. Now, although you may not have heard of him, mr forsyth is a important player in International Aid charities. He was a close associate of brendan cox, both of them were at save the children, and both also worked for gordon brown at number 10. When mr brown was caught on mic referring to Gillian Duffy as a bigoted woman, he was talking tojustin forsyth. The new accusation is that while running save the children before 2015, there were three separate complaints of inappropriate behaviour towards female members of staff by him, sending a series of inappropriate texts, commenting on how they looked, and prompting them to respond. Mr forsyth left and has since gone on to one of the most senior posts at unicef, the un childrens fund. He admits to having made some personal mistakes during his time at save the children, specifically admitting to what he described as unsuitable and thoughtless conversations with colleagues, which he subsequently apologised for. He added that there were no formal complaints, and that they were dealt with through mediation. Save the children told us that they were commissioning a root and branch review of its organisational culture, and that they apologised for any pain these matters had caused. To reflect on all of this i have the labour mp peter carlin, a man who himself has worked in International Aid crisis charities. Do you think thatjustin forsyth should be working for unicef in a senior role . There are questions about that right now. The important thing is that unicef is in touch with save the children, unicef said there doing that. I do not know the details of this but it is clear that that needs to be looked at in light of these revelations. Unicef have said they are aware of the media reports and welcome the decision of us to forsyth to come forward and acknowledge past mistakes and that they are discussing this with him and with unicef and save the children. Not physical accusations in this case, but the sheer volume of things coming out about the Charity Sector must be damaging it. Of course and we know it is. But some of these accusations are grotesque and from very senior managers, that is the thing that is most shocking. It is clear that in some of these organisations there is the sense that protection of a moral organisation is more important that individuals working in it. Youve seen the same thing in the church, and the bbc. Some people feel organisations are so morally important and significant that covering up things within the organisation is worthwhile and a means to an end. Weve seen that in the Charity Sector recently and it needs to be busted. Just culturally i wonder whether part of the interest in this, it is organisations that seem to be on the high moral ground being brought down by personal foibles and inappropriate behaviour of the people within them. I wonder if that is feeding some of the interest. No doubt. It is quite right to hold people in the charitable sector to a higher standard than perhaps others. We do have High Expectations of people doing this moral work. British aid works, the people working in the front line, the vast majority are Extraordinary People who put themselves into harm. We had four aid workers killed last week. So people are doing some extraordinary work. But i have been a front line aid worker as well and ive seen the work that does not meet the moral standards we would expect from organisations. Sexually . In almost ten years doing this work i never saw anything that was criminal or even a whisper of some of the things that are being revealed now. But i did see work that was overly territorial, culturally inappropriate for the kind of work they were doing and some of that morally indefensible. One example i could give you if we have time. I was doing some work, asking for assistance from a british nato general. He told me he had put up the order to stop working as well known, Large International charity based in the uk because he had offered work and had refused and the reason given was they had a lot of money given to that organisation from british donors and by law that money must be spent within that country. And that charity did not want to be in that country for a long time so they literally were squandering money. I have been saying this stuff for a long time and now i have the platform as an mp, people are listening more. This goes well beyond the Sexual Harassment and exploitation customer the aid industry has become very competitive and that tipped over to becoming territorial and further to being secret. So when bad things happen, whether work that does not go right, whether a member of staff not performing right or some of the really dangerous stuff we have heard rec

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