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And residents will find out whether they can return to their homes. Tackling the counterfeit alcohol trade how an artificial tongue could help taste subtle differences between whiskies. Good morning. Welcome to bbc newsroom live. Iam i am rebecca jones. The European Union has rejected holding further brexit talks with the uk, while borisjohnsons government insists on changing the Withdrawal Agreement to scrap the irish border backstop. Eu negotiators told european diplomats such changes which the new uk government is demanding were unacceptable. But downing street says the Prime Minister will enter into any fresh brexit talks with the greatest energy and the spirit of friendship. Adam fleming reports from brussels. The eu is inching closer to accepting that the most likely outcome of the Brexit Process is the uk departing without a deal on october 31st. After discussions last week with the Prime Minister, his europe adviser david frost and the brexit secretary stephen barclay, brussels negotiators have concluded the only way to avoid a no deal brexit is with major changes to the Withdrawal Agreement, changes that the eu finds unacceptable, such as the removal of the irish backstop. And official told a meeting of european diplomats yesterday that with only a few weeks to go, were back where we were three years ago. They havent given up completely, though. Further talks with the uk havent been ruled out and the moment of truth may not come until a meeting of g7 leaders in france towards the end of this month. The government also rejected the eus assessment that there may be no point talking at all, with a downing street spokesman saying the uk would throw itself into further negotiations with the greatest energy and a spirit of friendship. Adam fleming, bbc news, brussels. Our brussls correspondent adam fleming says theres little sign of movement on the european side. At the moment there is no sign of any blinking on either side. And this is one of those moments where you step back and realise for there to be a deal and the uk to leave with a deal on the 31st of october, it will require an almighty climb down by one side or the other. This has all come about because there was a meeting yesterday here in brussels, held by the eus brexit negotiators with the updated officials from the 27 National Governments on the other side about some conversations that have been had with the Prime Minister, with the brexit secretary and with the Prime Ministers new brexit adviser, david frost, who was here in brussels last week meeting his opposite numbers. And the eu has concluded that the only way a deal will get through the cabinet, the government and the parliament is if there is some major changes to the Withdrawal Agreement. Notjust taking out the irish backstop, but the uk has also raised concerns about the financial settlement and the role of the European Court ofjustice. And at the moment, the eu doesnt see a way you can negotiate on that basis because all those things are unacceptable to the eu. So, they are inching closer and closer to the idea that the only outcome is going to be one where the uk leaves without a deal on the 31st of october. But as i was saying in that piece there, they havent given up hope yet, lots of officials looking to the g7 summit of leaders that borisjohnson will attend in biarritz in france towards the end of august. Will that be the moment of truth where it becomes clear whether or no where it becomes clear whether a no deal is inevitable or not . Other Officials Saying actually, it will be a few weeks after that that really matters, because that will be the time when the British Parliament reconvenes and mps assess what they think of what has or hasnt happened over the summer holidays. But yes, a pretty downbeat assessment from the eu about the prospect of future talks. Although i should say, they are not ruling out more more talks in future, theyjust dont think theres much of a basis for them at the moment. Drjennifer cassidy is a politics lecturer at the university of oxford and former political attache to the eu and ireland. Shejoins me now from dublin. Thank you and good morning to you. How do you gauge the state of talks between the European Union and the uk . Well, they are pretty stagnant at the moment and i say stagnant, not ina at the moment and i say stagnant, not in a negative manner. But it is still continuously shocking to me that the narrative of that ideal needs to be made or a deal wont be made in time for october the 31st. This is still being played and rehearsed. The deal has been made and the resources of the 27 Member States have been drained for the last three years on this issue and a 590 page Withdrawal Agreement was concluded and negotiated with the uk. Soa concluded and negotiated with the uk. So a deal has been made. This com shift concept of the eu is now blinking, we have done everything in our power and it is now up to westminster and the house of commons to pass the deal and negotiate if they want to leave with the deal, they have the deal sitting in front of them. The eu must be aware the deal has failed to pass Parliament Three times. There is nothing to suggest it will pass for a fourth time, so therefore further talks are required . Further talks are certainly required and as the eu has repeatedly stated, there are talks regarding you know, possible rewording of the political declaration. But as we all know, its only recently now that issues of the ecj and the financial settlement, these other kind of red herrings, if you will, have been thrown in from the uk side. But it has all landed on the backstop up to now. That is something that the eu and ireland is not going to back down on. Personally, from a diplomatic experience and now, simply engaging with the subject every day on an academic level and asa every day on an academic level and as a citizen of ireland, i do not see why the eu would jeopardise peace in ireland over the uk simply wanting a demanding of the removal of the backstop. That raises an interesting question i suppose, who at the end of the day has more to lose from a no deal brexit, as you have just suggested . Is lose from a no deal brexit, as you havejust suggested . Is it lose from a no deal brexit, as you have just suggested . Is it the lose from a no deal brexit, as you havejust suggested . Is it the uk, oi havejust suggested . Is it the uk, or is it in fact the European Union . Everyone loses in a no deal. Everyone loses in a no deal. Everyone loses. Ireland loses, the uk loses and the eu loses. There is absolutely no winners in a no deal scenario. However, it comes down to the scenario of well, what do you value more . Do you value peace on the island of ireland . Do you Value International Peace Agreement you have signed, made and agreed to previously . Or are you willing to sacrifice or possibly, not possibly, very much likely head into a recession . But unfortunately, many people in the ruling elite of the uk andi people in the ruling elite of the uk and i say this on the personal level, i dont think understand the consequences of what would happen if the backstop was removed. There are no winners in a no deal brexit and no winners in a no deal brexit and no one wants this. Of course talks wa nt to no one wants this. Of course talks want to be made, but at the expense of the backstop being removed, i cannot see that happening. Lets think of it a different way in the spirit of trying to get everything moving again, you dont remove the backstop, but is there any room for manoeuvre around negotiating it . The uk is suggesting there could be technical answers to the border, the polish government i think this morning, has suggested the backstop stays in place for five years. Morning, has suggested the backstop stays in place forfive years. In the spirit of reconciliation, if you like, is there anyway of this moving . So the backstop itself allows for alternative arrangements. That is a failure of perhaps the prevailing narrative of what the backstop is. The backstop says, if there are proper alternative arrangements to be made, or that are satisfactory to the good friday agreement and the peace process, then ireland and the eu and the regional bloc as a whole are more than happy to implement them. But we have seen no detail, and a strategy, no one has brought anything to the table, hence the backstop was introduced in the first place. The backstop was introduced because it was almost impossible to find a solution at that very moment once article 50 was triggered, in the timespan it will take to leave the eu, in order to solve the issue of the border. As we know with the good friday agreement, that ended 30 yea rs of extreme friday agreement, that ended 30 years of extreme violence in the north, not to mention the hundreds of years of ireland beforehand. You know, to say that something could so quickly be developed and another solution could be developed, is, in my opinion, somewhat ludicrous. But with that said, if there was one, if there was another solution, ireland and the eu, everyone has openly said so many times, we are happy to accept that what you need to give us detail, you need to give us a strategy. All it is hearing is this proper sizing of this technical solution or they could be this, could be that. There is no detail of strategy, it is very hard to deal with. We must leave it there, thank you very much for talking to us. Thank you very much. And tomorrow we will have a special day of coverage looking at the consequences of a no deal brexit we want you you to get in touch with your questions on all subjects including politics, health, business, economy, security or anything else. Throughout the day our correspondents and experts will answer your questions with a number of of bbc ask this question and answer sections. Contact details are on the screen now please do get in touch with whatever questions you might have. A teenager has appeared in court charged with attempted murder after a child was allegedly thrown from the tenth floor of the tate modern art gallery on sunday. The six year old, who was found on the fifth floor roof, is in a critical but stable condition. He was visiting london with his family from france. A 17 year old has been remanded into youth detention jane Francis Kelly is outside Bromley Youth court. Bring us up today with what happened in court . He was in a grey tracksuit and confirmed his name, his age and his address, but he cannot be identified for legal reasons. He was arrested on sunday by Police Responding to reports that a small boy had been allegedly thrown from a tenth floor, from the tate moderns extension. Now, this small boy who is a French National was visiting london with his parents, fell onto a flat roof. He sustained life threatening injuries, he was airlifted to hospital. He is critical, but stable. Police say there is no link between the two boys. The 17 year old was remanded into youth custody. He will appear at the old bailey this thursday. Thank you very much for that update. Holidaymakers have been speaking of theirfear after smoke filled the cabin on a flight from heathrow to spain. Three people were taken to hospital after passengers on board the flight to valencia had to use emergency exits to leave the plane once it had landed. British airways has blamed a technical issue. Our reporter Michael Cowan has more. The final minutes of a British Airways flight to valencia. One passenger described it as being like a scene from a horror film. Ba flight 422 took off from london heathrow yesterday morning, but 10 minutes before landing in valencia, passengers were surrounded by an acrid smoke. Very quickly, you couldnt see the passenger two seats down from you. It became very thick. We were descending quite quickly at that point. There wasnt an official announcement about what was happening. People were saying, get down, get down as we were trying to breathe in the cleaner air towards the floor of the cabin. Its being reported the cockpit was so smoky the pilots also wore oxygen masks. Another flyer told the bbc, as the plane came into land, some passengers were crying. Fire crews greeted the flight on the runway in valencia, where all the passengers were helped to safety. British airways says three customers were taken to hospital as a precaution but have since been discharged. But the airline has drawn criticism from those travelling with one passenger saying to social media, plane full of smoke, no oxygen, no announcements on the plane and the staff dealing with anything in the airport. Ba has apologised saying the safety of our customers and crew is always our highest priority. In addition to the team on site, British Airways team members have arrived in valencia to help our customers and local airport partners with anything they need. Michael cowan, bbc news. Lets speak now to joanne kay and her son josh. They were on the flight and join us from the city of denia, on the east coast of spain. You are both smiling now, so i am assuming you are ok, butjoanne, if i start with you, talk us through what happened . I start with you, talk us through what happened . We were coming into land and the cabin crew were already in their seats and strapped in. There seem to be quite allowed bang which came from sort of about five or six rows behind us. Then the cabin started to fill with, it looked like either white gas or smoke and it filled very, very quickly actually invisibility disappeared. It disappeared within about a minute. From then on, you couldnt see anything. Remarkably, the plane was still on its descent and was going quite smoothly. So people were scared and quite panicked, but i think the fact that the plane was descending steadily still gave us quite a sense of optimism we were going to get on the ground. Josh, from what your mum is saying, you couldnt see anything, can you tell us a bit about what you could perhaps hear and even smell . guess it wasjust could perhaps hear and even smell . guess it was just like thick smoke, but there was a lot of light, towards when we were landing, when we landed there was a lot of cheering for the pilot. After that there was lots of panic from people wanting to get off the plane as the doors were not opening for a good five minutes, may be a bit more. Thats the case is it, joanne . You landed and then you are still in this thick smoke but you werent hearing what was happening . No, there wasnt any communication from there wasnt any communication from the cockpit. This was an emergency situation and nobody knows exactly what to expect. We werent hearing anything from the cockpit but we we re anything from the cockpit but we were in front of a Flight Attendant who was on the cabin telephone and she was clearly talking to the pilot, or one of the crew. She wasnt really telling anybody what wasnt really telling anybody what was going on and the people behind us didnt have that visibility of the Flight Attendant. So they had no visibility, it was much thicker smoke behind us and people were really panicking because they didnt know what to do. Once we got on the ground, everybody jumped out know what to do. Once we got on the ground, everybodyjumped out of their seats expecting the doors to just sort of fling open and it was a good three orfour just sort of fling open and it was a good three or four minutes before the doors opened and people were shouting, open the doors. Why arent you opening the doors . There was a lot of speculation in the terminal and they didnt open the doors because they thought it was a fire and they thought they would be a back draft. How easy was it to get off the plane, josh . We have seen the safety video is about taking your high heels off, i assume you are not wearing high heels, but taking them off and leaving everything behind, what happens . was lucky because i was close to the exit but people were trying to get their bags off so there was a lot of crowded, bags in the aisles and people are getting off quite quickly, but it was orderly, but a lot of people bringing bags and stuff. People were generally quite good, they were helping each other, they were getting off the plane. My husband helped an elderly woman down the chute. We were down, people registered they were safe and then they made split second decisions to grab their bags and take them with. We didnt take our bags and eventually after three hours we were taken back to the aeroplane in groups of 20 and allowed to go onto the plane five at a time to retrieve our hand baggage. the plane five at a time to retrieve our hand baggage. I know you are out in spain visiting family, but presumably you have got to return to the uk at some point and i wondered how you are both feeling about that thought of getting back on the plane, josh . I am feeling like it is scary, but i am feeling fine because i have been flying in plaintiff quite a lot and i have known people who have flown quite a lot in all of that time and i havent had one bad thing. I guess it is frightening, but it is maybe just a one off. Joanne, have you heard anything from British Airways, have they offered any kind of explanation or indeed compensation . We got an email this morning saying they dont underestimate the impact this has had on us and they will be in touch with us today. I believe, well actually we left the airport without our luggage and i believe the luggage is being returned to us today. We filed a missing baggage report and it seems to be on its way. We havent directly heard from anybody apart from an e mail. There was a lot of confusion. When we got off the plane and into the terminal, it was just the valencia Ground Transportation crew. It took a while for someone from ba to get to the airport and start assisting passengers. In that time people were understandably becoming a rate. They we re understandably becoming a rate. They were hungry, they didnt know what was going on and there was little information. But i have to say, the pilot did an amazing job getting us down safely. If he had the same visibility as i did, then he rea

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