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BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire July 13, 2024

I mean, we are partying in paradise, basically, and paradise locations are sensitive ecosystems. They cant withstand, like, this city lifestyle. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Do get in touch on all the stories were talking about use the hashtag victoria live. Lots of you have been getting in touch. A lot about that decision to means test the bbc licence fee for pensioners and can quit criticism for both government and the bbc. One says, i do not receive benefits because im a fraction below that threshold. If pensioners have to pay for a licence, i would need to sell my tv. I am struggling to manage at the moment. Anon on text i am on pension credit but would be prepared to pay a contribution to a tv licence for bbc only partly because of the quality but equally the relief from annoying ads in my face. Liam on text, put ads on the bbc and problem solved. License needs scrapping. Outdated old boys club. If the treasury pays working people will be paying twice. Tv licence concessions should be means tested and not free for wealthy pensioners why should a working family on a low income pay for a pensioner to sit at home watching tv let us know your thoughts but we could go straight to oslo and the announcement of the Nobel Peace Prize. Piece does not arise from the actions of one party alone peace when Prime Minister kepa reached out his hand, the president grabbed it and helped to formalise the Peace Process between the Peace Process between the countries. At the Norwegian Nobel Committee hopes the Peace Agreement will help to about positive change for the entire population of ethiopia and eritrea. In ethiopia, even if much works retains, abiy ahmed has initiated important reforms that make reforms that give many citizens hope for a better life and a brighter future. He spent his first hundred days as by minister lifting the countrys state of emergency, granting amnesty to thousands of little prisoners, discontinuing media censorship, legalising outlawed opposition groups, dismissing military and civilian leaders who were suspected of corruption. And, significantly, increasing the influence of women in ethiopian political and community life. He has also pledged to strengthen democracy by holding free and fair elections. In the wake of the Peace Process with eritrea, Prime Minister abiy has engaged in other peace and reconciliation processes in east and north east africa. In september 2018 he and his government contributed actively to the normalisation of diplomatic relations between eritrea and djibouti after many years of political hostility. Additionally, abiy ahmed as it sought to mediate between kenya and somalia in their retracted conflict over rights to a disputed marine area. There is no hope for a resolution to this conflict. And in sudan, the military regime and the opposition have returned to the negotiating table and on the 17th of august they released a joint draft of a new constitution intended to secure a peaceful transition to civil rule in the country. Prime minister abiy played a key role in the process that led to the agreement. Ethiopia isa that led to the agreement. Ethiopia is a country of many different languages and peoples. Lately old ethnic rivalries have flared up. According to international observers, up to 3 million ethiopians may be internally displaced. This is in addition to the million or so refugees and asylu m the million or so refugees and Asylum Seekers from neighbouring countries. As Prime Minister, abiy ahmed has sought to promote reconciliation, solidarity and social justice. Reconciliation, solidarity and socialjustice. However, reconciliation, solidarity and social justice. However, many challenges remain unresolved. That if the announcement that the winner of this years Nobel Peace Prize is the ethiopian Prime Minister abiy ahmed to put that there had been a lot of expectation that Greta Thunberg might win it, she was reportedly on the shortlist but this man has won. The description as to why he won was because of the extraordinary pace of change there has been in his country since he came to power in april of last year. He has already introduced a raft of reforms including lifting a state of emergency, ordering the release of thousands of prisoners, allowing dissidents to return home and unblocking hundreds of websites and tv channels. It is for those reasons that he has won the Nobel Peace Prize. Lets catch up with a summary of the rest of the news. Good morning. The cabinet has been briefed on what happened in the meeting between borisjohnson and his irish counterpart, leo varadkar, head of the resumption of brexit talks with the eu but at the brexit secretary, Stephen Barclay, is in brussels the eu chief negotiator michel barnier. Downing street and up michel barnier. Downing street and up said they could see a pathway to a deal. At least 11 siblings have been killed and tens of thousands have fled their homes after turkey began attacking Kurdish Forces in syria 11 civilians. There has been International Condemnation of the action but turkey says it is going to create a safe zone for Syrian Refugees. President club has suggested he could mediate between the two sides put at the white house is struggling to fend off accusations that he gave the green light to the turkish invasion by withdrawing us troops. Accord a patient with secondary Breast Cancer had to visit their gp three or more times before getting a diagnosis according to a charity. Breast cancer now says it is unacceptable that some people are not getting early access to treatment. Gps say they are doing their best for patients but symptoms can be difficult to spot. A teenager has been stabbed to death near Stratford Shopping Centre in east london. Police found the 15 year old boy suffering from stab wounds on Stratford Broadway yesterday afternoon. They believed he was either attacked on a bus or shortly after getting off. Scotland yard said no arrests had been made. The five year old daughter of imprisoned british iranian woman Nazanin Zaghari ratcliffe has returned to uk. Gabriella has been living with a grandparent in tehran and visiting her mother imprisoned since she was arrested on spying charges more than three years ago pulled up her pa rents three years ago pulled up her parents decided to bring her back to the uk so she can start school. The bbc and government are being told to find a way of saving free tv licences for people over 75. Of the corporation had agreed to fund the scheme as part of its new charter agreement but now says it cannot afford it. It was previously paid for by the government put up the immediate select committee of mps save both sides had to Work Together to find a solution. Cambridge University Said black student made up University Said black student made up more than 3 of new undergraduates for the first time and says it is partly down to the storm is the effect. Last year the grime artist pledged to fund the tuition fees and living costs of two student each year de stormzy effect. 91 black students were admitted to the university up from 61 the previous year. It says it has also seen an increase in the number of stu d e nts also seen an increase in the number of students taking part in outreach activities and enquiring about courses. Japan is braced for the strongest typhoon to hit the country in more than 60 years but that the authorities at want of widespread destruction over the weekend put a practice and qualifying sessions for the japanese grand prix have been cancelled and too much is in the Rugby World Cup have been called off conduct that is the main news, back tojoanna. Turkeys attack on North Eastern syria is in its third day today. Turkish troops went into the country yesterday as the bombing continued. Around 60,000 people have made the decision to flee their homes. Several civilians have been killed and dozens more have been injured on both sides of the border. So, why is turkey doing this . President edrogan says that Kurdish Forces in the north are terrorists. He claims more than a hundred have been killed in the operation so far. These kurdish troops are allies of the us. Theyve helped defeat and then contain thousands of is fighters. President trump has suggested that he could lead a mediation between the two sides. Turkey is trying to seize land just inside the border to create what it claims is a safe zone in syria to settle some of the millions of Syrian Refugees who have fled the eight year war. That area, in the north east, is known to the kurds and others as rojava. Lets speak to carne ross, a former diplomat. He has advised the kurdish run administration in rojava, and is now the director of Advisory Group independent diplomat. Also elif sarican, an activist with the kurdish womens movement. Thank you forjoining us. First your reaction to what is unfolding as a result of the american troops coming out . It is an outrage, what turkey is doing to. We need to be clear about it, it is a completely unprovoked attacks on the syrian dem aquatic forces and temple nacker itself which is a self galloping link, democratic region where there isa link, democratic region where there is a remarkable project, women led democracy and where, as everyone has been reporting, there has been enormous sacrifice in the fight against isis which will be jeopardised eight self governing regent. They have lost over 10,000 fighters in that fight and their repayment is to be abandoned to this turkish invasion. Donald trump is talking about potentially mediating an end to what is going on having come via a fairly circuitous route, talking about the kurds not having supported the us in the second world war. Meanwhile, a Senior Adviser to president erdogan has said there was an understanding between the two president s about what would unfold. The adviser went on television to say that he knows the scope of what is happening. What is your thought on that . The rest of us dont know conduct turkey had said it wants to establish some kind of deceitfully named establish some kind of deceitfully na m ed safety establish some kind of deceitfully named safety zone on its southern border but they have not set how large it should be and we need to be very clear that this is an occupation of civilian areas. At the main kurdish population centres are ha rd main kurdish population centres are hard up against the Turkish Border so hard up against the Turkish Border so when they are talking about a safety zone on its border, with three miles or 20 miles, that means occupying some of the main kurdish population centres and causing civilian casualties. What donald trump and president ed again have agreed is a mystery to the rest of us. Agreed is a mystery to the rest of us. What we need america and indeed the rest of the west to do is to be clear that turkey must stop this immediately. President erdogan conduct can america be an honest broker in this . Was president from effectively to blame . He was absolutely to blame conduct he has given erdogan permission to do what turkey has been trying to do for some time and which the us has been restraining turkey from doing. Whether we can call that us is an honest broker is one thing but clearly it is only the us that turkey will listen to in whether it continues the assault. We have some new figures from the Un World Food Programme on the number of people displaced, it is now up to more than 70,000 people and events are moving fast, this has just 70,000 people and events are moving fast, this hasjust started unfolding. You described the women led democracy in that region and i mentioned you had been to the region and made a film and we can take a look at some of what you experienced. So, this is the tip of the spear. Of the fight against isis. They are all so young. So, that is isis in those houses, there. They come out in the evening, like rabbits. Are they on that hill over there as well . Isnt it the same for us, though . If you appear at the parapet, do they take a pot shot . The fighters told me that isis dont like attacking their part of the front line because they think they will not go to paradise if they are killed by a woman. Just hearing that made sense on frontier are saying that a syrian hospital is closed after staff fled the bombing medicines on resort the importance of women in that area could tell us more from your experience. Especially in 2012, when what we know as the Rojava Revolution was declared, women were at the forefront from the beginning. It is also important to understand that this political experiment that is happening in Northern Syria right now also did not come about overnight. Women particularly but also Kurdish People organising based on the ideas of kurdish leader were organising for decades and particularly kurdish women pushed the women to adopt a democratic ecological and womens liberation list system that has been put into practice. This is what is remarkable for many people, that women were at the forefront of fighting and defeating isis but they have been and still are at the forefront of building this alternative system thatis building this alternative system that is notjust for Kurdish People but also arabs, the syrians, many christian groups in the region who have also been historically marginalised including armenians and jazz who were attacked by isis in 2014. One of the reports we had from an Armenian Village that was attacked on wednesday night and some of the inhabitants said it felt like a rerun of the 1915 genocide against the armenian people that was also carried out by the then turkish state. Women are at the forefront of all of this. Women are essential to every level of administration. There isa co chair every level of administration. There is a co chair system so every level, whether in an assembly, a commune, there must be a man and woman who facilitate and administrate this. There is also 40 quota of women for all levels of society and organising. This has been inspiring notjust for kurdish organising. This has been inspiring not just for kurdish women and women of the region but for women all around the world. We have seen many messages. This is why it is so important to understand that the attack, the turkish state invasion of Northern Syria is not just go to create the resurgence of isis, which isa create the resurgence of isis, which is a threat to the whole world, but it also aims explicitly to crush this very new but inspiring system that could be an alternative for all of us. It gives rise to so much discussion, what youre talking about, and we want to talk as well about, and we want to talk as well about the implications of what is unfolding in terms of security. On the role of women, briefly, if you can come why is it that that system has arisen . It goes much further than in many established democracies. Indeed. The role of women, the Kurdish Freedom Movement that came about, that wanted to achieve kurdish self determination, many of the organisers of this movement realised that actually creating a new state, new borders, does not solve an issue particularly strict nation state borders, particularly in the middle east but most places in the world dont work for people and so the root and foundation of essentially all forms of hierarchy and oppression is patriarchy. Therefore, one might favourite quote was that a society cannot be free without womens liberation. If you are trying to liberate and error, the womens equality question cannot come after the revolution but it must beat the revolution itself because we have seen revolution itself because we have seen around the world, many women have been at the forefront of many revolutions but because their social position was not in question during that resolution, they were either in the same or worse positions after the same or worse positions after the revolution had ended. To be able to form an alternative and true freedom, the system must be against pita ahki and against all forms of domination that were built on the foundations of patriarchy including strict state system, the nation state borders but also capitalism. There is a economy being built but is also based on social ecology, saying we should not dominate our nature but to be in harmony with it. And in terms of the role that the Syrian Democratic forces have played in defeating is, it is not disputed, strong allies of the us, one American Marine is quoted as saying, i feel physically ill and deeply ashamed that my own country would permit this fate to befall our close allies who have done all of this fighting for us. I want to bring in some comments from people watching, one says, its notjust the usa who have abandoned the kurds, the uk and france also fought in the coalition against isis. This one says, a truly epic betrayal from trump, the turkish kurdish are only classed as terrorist because they have been fighting repression for decades. We have thrown them to the wolves. One says, americas shameful letting out of the cut as doubtless been noticed by its allies and america is backing down from former dominance and the power vacuum is bound to be filled by someone. What about the point about the role of the uk and france . Would there have been any knowledge prior to this happening and how much pressure could be exerted . The turks have been very open about their intention to do this for some time and the

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