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BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire July 13, 2024

How we did because it was wrapped in flammable cladding, that is a key issue and yet it is not seriously being addressed. The firefighters turned up after that happens, after the building was turned, in reality, into a death trap. The Prime Minister will try today for a fourth time to secure an early general election in december. I hope that Opposition Party members would want to trust the public, let them have a say. They had seemed determined not to deliver on the referendum but i think it is time that at this stage, to make sure we can deliver on brexit, we let the general public have a say. It looks like game on for a winter election, with borisjohnson like game on for a winter election, with Boris Johnson looking like game on for a winter election, with borisjohnson looking set to achieve backing for his december poll. Will it be december the 9th, tenth or 11th, and will that be a deal breaker . And while politicians literally argue over a data. In todays exclusive film, we expose the scandalous Housing Conditions of People Living in the capital city of the fifth largest economy in the world london. They tell us theyre being left to rot as they cope with damp, mould, flooding, drug users injecting thesemselves outside their front door. And cockroaches. They were massive, they was coming out, they were all on my sites, on my counters, in the microwave, in the bathroom. They was absolutely everywhere. I said we cant carry on living here, we are not living how people should be living. Well hear more from annie, who you saw there, and from ken loach, who in 1966 directed a landmark film that highlighted the devastating impact of homelessness on a young mother and her children. We meet the boy who at the age of eight saved his mums life. Mum . mum . whats wrong . mum . was absolutely horrified to see a terrified looking young lad steering the car. I genuinely believe that if he did not do what he did, our story would have been completely different. We would have been seriously injured all could have died. 0ther seriously injured all could have died. Other people could have got involved or been hurt. I am very proud. Hello, welcome to the programme. Were live until 11 this morning. Youve been getting in touch with us already about our exclusive film on the appalling conditions that some families in a block of flats in barnet are living in. Emma jayne on twitter says, people have to start helping themselves. Sitting back and doing nothing is not an option. Build a community, implement neighborhood wardens, help each other take back control of your streets. A council owned disused building for addicts is maybe a solution, with Rehab Services . Stuart on twitter says, it is a scandal. Need to get back to a 60 40 split on social housing Home Ownership or closer to that, or it will continue. And brian on email says, my autistic daughter has suffered we will bring you the exclusive film on 18 minutes. Before that, carrie has a summary of the news. Bring you the exclusive film in a fume in its. The london fire brigade has been condemned for systematic failures in its response to the Grenfell Tower fire, in a report into the disaster which claimed 72 lives. The inquiry found that fewer people would have died if the building had been evacuated sooner. The fire brigade said would not comment until the full report is published tomorrow. We have seen that report, and will have more details later in the programme. Borisjohnson will try for a fourth time to secure an early general election, after mps rejected his plan. The Prime Minister will publish a bill proposing a poll on 12th december that would only need a simple majority to succeed not two thirds as required in previous attempts. However, he will still need votes from opposition parties for it to pass. Residents living in the one remaining block of flats on a north london estate undergoing redevelopment say they are being left to rot, with pest infestations and security issues. Families living here are coping with cockroaches, damp, mould and flooding while drug addicts inject heroin on the stairs. Barnet homes told the programme it was extremely sorry for the standard of some homes on marsh drive. They dont care. They dont have to live like that. They are knocking this down, they dont want to put money into it. We are social cleansing at its best. Like, we should feel. Deserve to have this place and we should be happy that we live in these conditions and that our children live like this. But they genuinely do not care. Well have more on our exclusive investigation later in the programme and will talk to some of the residents. Politician keith vaz was admitted to hospital yesterday after the commons standard body recommended is be suspended from parliament for six months. Recommended he be suspended. The labour mp was found to have disregarded the law by expressing a willingness to help buy cocaine for male prostitutes. Mr vazs office would not comment on his future but said he was receiving treatment for a Serious Mental Health condition. Two british people have been seriously injured in a shark attack in australia. The men in their 20s were in the water off the coast of queensland when it happened. One of the men had his foot bitten off and the other suffered wounds to his calf. Both are said to be in a stable condition in hospital. An Infectious Disease that can harm the brain and is spread by tick bites has been identified in insects in the uk for the first time. The tick borne encephalitis virus has been found in east anglia and close to the hampshire dorset border. Symptoms of the disease include seizures, hallucinations and memory problems but Public Health england says the risk is very low. That is a summary of the main news so that is a summary of the main news so far. Back to you, victoria. First this morning, fewer people would have died in the Grenfell Tower disaster if the london fire brigade had not told residents to stay in their flats and wait to be rescued, the official report into the tragedy has found. This programme has seen a full copy of the inquiry report which is due to be made public tomorrow. That will be at 10am. It says fire chiefs should have ordered an evacuation of the building one hour earlier than they did. Its been reported that 49 of the 72 people who died injune 2017 were told by 999 call handlers to stay put inside their flats. 0ur reporterjim reed has read the full document which runs to more than 1,000 pages. Jim . You will have to bear with me, it is 1000 pages, quite complicated. Some background first. The report has been written as part of the Public Inquiry into the grenfell disaster in which 72 people lost their lives. That inquiry is led by a retired judge, sir martin moore bick. It is the first of two reports. This one looks at the events of the night itself, 14th june 2017. A later part looks at what happened before that day, the refurbishment of the tower, the cladding etc, this is specifically the night itself. This was due to be published tomorrow at tannane. We saw a leaked copy earlier, we had every intention of broadcasting this to our attorney and, but it is the front page of the Daily Telegraph today, it is in the public domain, so we feel the need to talk about it. Takers through some of the damning conclusions . There is intense criticism of the fire service in this report. Not, it has to be said, of individual firefighters, the report is at pains to point out they showed extraordinary bravery, it talks about their commitment. This is not about their commitment. This is not about their commitment. This is not about the people who fought in to the building to save people, it is about the chain of command. The bravery cannot mask deficiencies in the command and control that night, it says. The most controversial part is perhaps something called the state put policy. You and i were both at Grenfell Tower on the morning of the 1ath, we were already hearing survivors talking about this stay put policy, people were calling 999 until two stay inside and wait for rescue, it was the safest option. That was Standard Practice at the time. This report says that by1 50am at at the time. This report says that by 1 50am at the latest, the fire service should have known it was not working, yet the policy was continued until 2 47am, perhaps an hour and continued until 2 47am, perhaps an hourand a continued until 2 47am, perhaps an hour and a half after they should have realised it was not working. The report says that has led to people losing their lives. The report says it is likely that in the face of the rapidly developing fire, prompt evacuation would have resulted in the saving of more lives, and it says it would have been likely to result in fewer fatalities. That is stark and clear from the retired judge. Who does the report blamed for the decision to tell residents to stay put for as long as they did . First of all it talks about the fire officer in charge that night, for an hour after the fire started, was a relatively junior officer. A questions that decision. More Senior Officers had arrived but the morejunior officer was kept in charge and there is criticism there. More broadly basic comes down to training, the report describes the stapler to policy the stay put policy as an article of faith in the fire service. They said that to evacuate at that stage, to all intents and purposes, was unthinkable. They thought it would be easier to stick with the policy of stay put. There is criticism again, they say they need to think more widely and realise it was not working. There is specific and damning criticism of the countrys most seniorfirefighter damning criticism of the countrys most senior firefighter at that point, the commissioner of the london fire brigade . This is a woman called da ny london fire brigade . This is a woman called dany cotton, commissioner of the london fire brigade. She angered many relatives with her evidence to the inquiry. This is what she said when giving evidence to the inquiry in september 2018. Commissioner, if there was one aspect of the london fire brigades response to the fire that you could go back and change, what would it be . I wouldnt change anything we did on the night. I think, without exception, my firefighters, officers and control staff performed in a fantastic way given the incredible circumstances they faced. They were put into an untenable situation, a building that behaves in a way which had never hadnt, that that the residence lives at risk. Without a shadow of a doubt i was responsible to committing my firefighters to their potential death in the pursuance of rescuing as many people in the building as possible. We learn from every operational incident, but in the same manner that i would not develop a training package for a Space Shuttle to land on the shard, we would deal with it in the same professional manner that we do, that is an incident in the same scale. I would not expect is to provide training and response to something which should not happen. Two things she said very much angered relatives at the time. She said she wouldnt change anything about the Fire Services response that night, even with hindsight. Secondly, she compared the lack of training for firefighters to deal with a fire of that magnitude involving a high rise block and cladding to no more likely than a Space Shuttle landing on the shard. That kind of language was heavily criticised in the report by sirmartin heavily criticised in the report by sir martin moore bick, he describes it as showing a remarkable insensitivity to the families of the deceased and those who had escaped from burning homes with their lives. This is important, he goes on to say that it only serves to demonstrate that it only serves to demonstrate that the london fire brigade is an institution at risk of not learning the lessons of the Grenfell Tower fire, which is what this Public Inquiry is effectively all about. You have obviously asked the fire service for a response . The fire service for a response . The fire service says it is inappropriate to comment ahead of the official release of the report on wednesday. We also heard this morning from matt wrack, the man in charge of the fire brigades union, the rank and file officers. Who have been praised in this report for their bravery. Indeed. He condemns the early leaking of the report, said he could not comment in detail until tomorrow but says the inquiry should have started by looking at issues like the building and cladding instead of, as he put it, scapegoating firefighters. London fire brigade clearly need to learn the lessons and apply the lessons of this fire in previous fires. But this comes back to my previous point, weve alerted government ministers of the need to act quickly on altering or reviewing the issue of stay put, for example. Government ministers have failed to react on that. Lets scrutinise the london fire brigade and its management, but why is nobody holding to account the fire minister or the home secretary or, for that matter, the Prime Minister, who was previously in charge of the london fibre gate himself . Leaving aside the fire service response, what else does this 1000 page report say . 1000 pages is the kind of thing that families, survivors, people interested in this will be poring overfour months, looking interested in this will be poring over four months, looking at the details. A few more key points, it also looks, crucially, because of the fire itself. Some of this will be looked at in more detail in phase two in january, be looked at in more detail in phase two injanuary, there are already some conclusions. So martin says the evidence showed it started in flat 16 in the fourth floor of the tower, important to point out that this report completely clears the owner of that flat of any possible wrongdoing, it says the fire was accidental, that man bears no blame for what occurred, much less the catastrophic events that followed. But it does say that the fire started in his will pull for each freezer as the result of an electrical fault. That is freezer as the result of an electricalfault. That is important, there was disagreement about that in there was disagreement about that in the inquiry, the us Company Whirlpool which made the fridge suggested that perhaps a cigarette could have been thrown out of an u psta i rs could have been thrown out of an upstairs window and landed in the kitchen itself, there was not the evidence to show it was the fridge freezer that started the fire, this report says it was the fridge freezer and it describes the theory by whirlpool as fanciful. There is more information about how the fire spread and how it spread so rapidly . Again, absolutely key. We expect more in phase two of the inquiry, they conclude that it started because a pvc window frame mounted outside flat 16, somehow the flames, the fire, got into that gap between the fire, got into that gap between the edge of the building and theres cladding system fitted in 2016. That is what caused the flames to spread upwards. They say the cladding was the principal reason the flames spread up the building and, crucially, the report concludes that the external cladding system was therefore not compliant with building regulations. Say that again, that is crucial. We did not necessarily expect this conclusion, we expected he might make this decision much later in the process, and the inquiry report they have said this does not meet building regulations. That is important. If they said it met building regulations but the regulations were not third for purpose, that is one thing, the regulations may not have been very good, we will find out in phase two, but already he is saying evenif phase two, but already he is saying even if that was the case, this did not meet building regulations. That is really important Going Forward to look up the fault of perhaps the companies involved, the companies who fitted stuff on the building, it could be crucial in phase two of the inquiry. That is something survivors and relatives absolutely needed to hear, they have told me, and they have got it in phase one and there will be more in phase two. Recommendations from this report, watch recommendations is it making . 46 in total. It is a very lengthy piece of work, 1000 pages long. We will talk more about the recommendations as usual, including better equipment for firefighters, better equipment for firefighters, better information being shared, there is criticism of the stay put policy saying the government and Fire Services need to draw a better plans to evacuate high rise building in these circumstances. The inquiry has criticised the Daily Telegraph and other Media Outlets for reporting these findings before they we re reporting these findings before they were officially released. A spokeswoman said it had deprived those most affected by the fire, the bereaved, survivors and residents, of the opportunity to read the report at their own pace. We had every intention of not reporting this until tomorrow, we felt because the rest of the media and newspapers reported edge, it left us with little choice but to cover it today, but we will have much more on this subject tomorrow in what will look like a special programme on this channel. We are devoting the whole programme tomorrow to the Grenfell Tower disaster report. Jim has given a pretty comprehensive account of what is in these 1000 pages, but be assured we will spend the rest of the day poring over the details, the releva nt the day poring over the details, the relevant recommendations, the quotes, and on the programme tomorrow we will be joined by relatives of those who died and survivors, people who escaped, and what is quite extraordinary is that some of the things that the retired judge has pointed out in this report actually we brought to you on the very morning, survivors were telling us it started in the fourth floor, it started in a fridge, which is quite extraordinary to see that confirmed officially two years later. Let me read some messages from people listening to watching has reported. Wayne says it is totally unfair to blame the london fire brigade for the

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