Transcripts For BBCNEWS Victoria Derbyshire 20240713

In a knife attack. The parents of harry dunn, the teenager killed in a Road Accident in northamptonshire august, have met the home secretary for talks. Australias Prime Minister apologises for holidaying in hawaii as wildfires continue to sweep across three states. The queen attends a Church Service in sandringham while the duke of edinburgh spent a second night in hospital receiving treatment just to repeat that news that i brought a month ago, police in sussex are investigating a Major Incident after a reported stabbing. According to local reports, there may be fatalities. Police and Emergency Services in crawley town in west sussex have apparently cordoned off a house. We will bring you more on that incident as soon as we have it. Crawley down. Now Victoria Derbyshire now takes a look back at the exclusive interviews and films which have featured on her programme in 2019. Hello. Welcome. Over the next half an hour well bring you some highlights from our programme over the last year. We start with a group of men who appeared on our show in february. They are part of a collective known as 56 black men and they are trying to challenge the perceptions and prejudices that many young black men face in britain today. It was the first time so many of them had come together. The beauty of the campaign is it changes the narrative and allows you to understand we are just as intelligent and we have the ability to articulate ourselves just as well as anybody so its changing the expectation of what we should be based on appearances. In 2019 it isnt an accurate measure of what someone should be like based on the way they look. Anyone can look any way and be any way. We will talk about why that is still happening but nigel you wanted to come in. I am nigel, and the co founder of the group. So im a comic writer. Just touching on what others have said about the perceptions today, it actually starts quite young. I remember being in school, being quite well spoken, id get the feedback of, oh, you sound white. Even at the time, i didnt properly clock on to what that meant. What it means is there is a way you should speak if youre black and you dont fit that way, therefore you fit this other way. Its people expecting this stereotype to come out of your mouth and when it doesnt its a surprise. And you have said sometimes in meetings you change your demeanour, your mannerisms, youve put on a white voice. What does that mean . Iio , so weve had this discussion as well, me, nigel and cass. Cass is very well spoken. Nigel is well spoken. For me, i speak like this but a lot of the rooms ive found myself in over the last ten years of doing business, iam probably the only black person. And if i am there, i am the only young black person so i almost have to put on a proper voice. And annunciate and maybe raise the level of. Because, victoria, if i talk like this and i tell them i want to put this on the Balance Sheet to move the figure here, you get me . As much as i know what im talking about, they are going to say he is not serious, but i can still perform and run a business. I know about cash flow forecast, profit and loss, but even on the phone, you feel it dealing with customer service, a lot of people, when we speak to them, we switch it up. If we keep telling them, stop talking, they will hang up and they have. Ive almost had, like, can i speak to your manager, please . It isntjust me. It could be a form of impostor syndrome, it could be a lot. I also said a quote that said my surname is williams because of slavery and a lot of people in my white contact list as well, notjust white but people who are not black, they didnt understand that. My surname is williams because of slavery. From birth, my identity has not been there because i havent been able to identify, down to my surname, where i really come from. The idea of impostor syndrome is a feeling i have to be a certain type of way to be accepted, it doesnt mean people cant be well spoken, like nigel or cass. Next, a general election meant we could bring back our election blind dates where we send two people with opposing political views on a dinner date. We paired Alistair Campbell who was once tony blairs spin doctor with ken clarke, a conservative mp for nearly 50 yea rs. One a lifelong tory, one a lifelong labour supporter. Did they have more in common than they realised 7 thats better. I can see myself. My name is Alistair Campbell. People will know me as having worked for tony blair. Im kenneth clarke, health secretary, home secretary and chancellor of the exchequer. How are you voting . Ive decided i am going to back the people who have been early supporters of a peoples vote. In terms of my own vote, im going to vote for keir starmer. So, you are campaigning for the labour party . Lam. No. Yes. And i will help Dominic Grieve if i can, and david gauke, i think. I have endorsed people like david gauke, anna soubry and Dominic Grieve. You and i, for the first time in our lives, although we get on perfectly well personally, you are definitely a labour man and i am definitely a conservative, both of us, in our ways, are actively supporting the same candidates particular constituencies. Parties are polarised, labour has gone left, tories have gone right. In both cases the left and the right havent purged the Parliamentary Party as they wanted to. I was booted out for voting lib dem. Ididnt. Iknowi. Ages ago. I knew when i lost the whip, ijoined distinguished company because i thought that was Michael Heseltine i didnt know youd been kicked out. I got an expulsion e mail 24 hours after i said i voted for the lib dems at the europeans on tv. We are bitterly reinforcing each others moderate views, we think. Have a chip, there we are. I dont thinkjeremy can win. Jeremy could never become Prime Minister in a thousand years. We were close last time. Close ish. He is a bogeyman, successfully portrayed as a bogeyman. Boriss best argument for voting for him is to say youve got to vote for me otherwise youll getjeremy corbyn. I know. What boris does, he blurts it out. He uses these boris phrases. These schoolboy ish phrases and he larks about. I remember you said when is he going to realise he actually, for the first time in his life, has got a seriousjob so can he start taking it seriously. Stop treating it as a game, yes. He still hasnt taken it seriously he still treats it like a game, i think. Jeremy is genuinely left wing, i like his naive sincerity. He believes it all. Boris isnt really a right wing brexiteer. He became a brexiteer by accident. An opportunist. It isntjohn major against tony blair, is it . Brexit is doing so much damage to the country. So much damage to our politics. I genuinely worry ifjohnson gets a big majority, we are doing ourselves enormous damage and i think the only way to keep the idea of a second referendum even remotely alive is for nobody to get a decent sized majority. I know you havent been in favour of a second referendum. Yeah, i get quite rude about referendums. I know you do. I understand that. If it was the only way of stopping leaving with no deal, i would. It is a hugely complex, technical subject and i think to subject that to a yes or no opinion poll. Iagree it doesnt tell you much. I dont know a labour mp i can think of who i think is genuinely anti semitic. Anti semitism, we know what it is and it is very nasty. And there is anti semitism in the country, unfortunately, still. They are so fanatically against the government of israel, and they spill over. It encourages more anti semitism in those sections of the public who might previously have been a bit embarrassed about it. I think corbyns problem with anti semitism is more. It is like a capacity and competence question. He didnt see this was developing as the kind of issue that its now become because. He has these fellow travellers that. Similarly islamophobia. Yeah. There isnt a conservative mp who is islamophobic. Its interesting you say you dont think there is a single tory mp who is islamophobic. I couldnt point you to anybody but. I kind of fearthere might be. There is a certain tendency to go in for dog whistle racism in the brexit campaigning. Johnson is a journalist and that is what he did i thinkjohnson isnt too bad on race and immigration, really, but one or two of his allies, the reason they went on about turks, which was a plain lie in the referendum, and quite effective, because they didnt think people were worried enough about white immigrants. If you start conjuring up millions of turks, wink, wink, they are brown and muslim, you know, we have a lot of those already. Boris stuck to all of this stuff about millions a week for the nhs but he didnt campaign on the turks. That was gove. When johnson was taken to task about letterboxes, burqas and all that sort of stuff, if you are a senior level politician, you can argue you are not an islamophobe but you know your words are being welcomed by people who are. And you know that will have an effect on people sitting on the top of a bus wearing a burqa. I think he is either conscious about the power of his words and doesnt care about the impact or he is not conscious of the power of his words. I regularly quoted to people what you think your biggest mistake was. Speed humps. The only one i ever admit to. Road humps. Every time i go overa road hump with a taxi driver, and my back goes, i say, that is ken clarkes bloody fault quite right. The biggest mistake a politician can make is to own up and admit toa mistake because you will never forget it for the rest of your career. So that isnt the real mistake . I will carry my mistakes to the grave laughter i do think the important mistake in the blair government was the invasion of iraq which even i never thought that its consequences would be so long lasting and tragic. So the government with which you are most associated, with hindsight youd agree that was a terrible mistake. Im sure with hindsight, i agree you should never necessarily. I might pick you up on health, being a bit slow on the uptake about the tobacco lobby. I am a lifelong smoker and the Public Health agenda, more generally, maybe. I used to have an amusing relationship with the Public Health lobby. Do you still smoke . Cigars. I gave up cigarettes. You are quite right, i am getting old so i always tell the same stories but when i returned as secretary of state for health and went into the room, the first question i asked was what has happened to the ashtrays . Laughter what will you do with the rest of your life . You sound like my children, asking nervous questions i think in terms of your career as a whole, i bet there isnt a single conservative alive that has more people viewing you as the tory Prime Minister they could have tolerated. That is a great club to belong to. The best Prime Minister we never had. Nobody will ever know how bad you would have been if theyd ever given you the chance. I cant be accused of not trying what are we supposed to be doing now . Two old men going to stand up and walk out, still talking. Lovely to see you again. All the best. Are they hush puppies . I dont have hush puppies, i dont think hush puppies make any suede shoes. Around 300,000 tonnes of your unwanted clothes are sent to incinerators or landfill every year here in the uk according to a report out this summer from mps. It is why many environmentalists want the era of fast fashion and cheap throwaway clothes to end, but how can we all make our wardrobes more sustainable . We gave that challenge to two University Students from loughborough, with help from sustainable stylist alice wilby. With the globalfashion industry producing over 100 billion garments a year and responsible for 10 of global emissions, we wanted to challenge our students to reuse, repair and recycle. Theyve got to find an outfit for an event without buying anything new. 0ur sustainable fashion stylist, alice wilby, started by rooting through their wardrobes. We have got a lot of cotton, a lot of t shirts. How many t shirts do you think you buy a year . Probably about ten or 15. It takes up to about 3,000 litres of water to make one cotton t shirt, which is about as much water as we drink in three years, and you are buying 10 15 of them a year. Thats madness. 3,000 . Tell me about this beautiful piece. My grandma bought it for me from india. It is broken under the arms, this is where things tend to go a lot. Right . Yeah. I think this is perfect for us to go and get fixed this week. With one item found for repair, it is off to gobi. So, we have got a bunch of dresses here. I think it is safe to say, they are one of the cheapest online british retailers. They are 6, 7, £8 a pop, right . I feel like the most important thing is the price, especially for uni students, which is why when youve seen a cheaper thing, you just go for it. This one doesnt look like it has been worn, it still has its label on it. Nope. Its new. When did you get this . A month ago. Youve had it for a month and you havent worn it yet . No. Did you buy it for something specific . Meant to be nights out. Youre scared of people looking at you, thinking, have you worn that dress ain . There is kind of panic. There is nothing in that that necessarily suggests you have to go out and buy a new thing, it could be about how you style it differently, the accessories you put it with, the jacket you put over it, the entire way of presenting your outfit and look. This is a perfect example of something we can get fixed really easily. Then got youve a really great top and a really great starting point for an outfit for a night out. We cant have you going out with a safety pin holding your top together. Its a look, but it might not be the one you want right now. While their clothes get repaired, we head to batley in yorkshire. Nestled between the hills is the 0xfam recycling centre. Holly showed them around. We have garment sorters sorting through donations picked up from all around the uk. These guys sort through 80,000 tonnes of donated clothing and textiles per week. It is a huge amount of stuff. We sort through them here and what these guys are doing is a really quick check to see if we can resell the item, if it is in general good condition. If it isnt, it goes down the chute and onto the next part of the line. Every week in the uk we send over 5,500 tonnes of clothes to landfill. That is equivalent to 11,000 of these bales. Luckily, nothing here will go to landfill but this room represents a tiny fraction of the clothing britain throws away every week. Its shocking, right . Its horrible. Think about the amount of plastic thats in the material that isnt going to break down. It is shocking. It isnt good for the environment. Back on the trail for their outfit challenge, were in nottingham, a mecca for second hand shops. Ok, so we want you to build an outfit to go to an event, we will use the one item from your wardrobe, having mended, and we will give you £30 each to build the rest of the outfit. Only £30 . Only £30 and you have to buy everything from and to buy everything from second hand and reused clothing. You found something you really like . I really like it and im definitely going to buy it. Amazing. We have converted you to buying second hand . I am a convert. Outfits complete, now theyjust need somewhere to wear them. And where better than London Fashion week . Amy powney is the creative director of mother of pearl, their no frills collection is 100 sustainable and she has invited the students to her show at London Fashion week. What exactly does 100 sustainability mean . The whole supply chain in the making of that fabric and that garment. But we also wanted to look at how far your garment travels. The average they say is five countries for every garment you buy because, imagine, from each stage you go through, you have to send it to another country, another country, another country, you have to package it up each time, send it off, then you have to ship it which is fuel and energy. You look shocked by the number of countries. Its mad, the number of countries i was like, whoa we would love to see legislation for your labels in your garment not just to say made in italy or wherever it is from, we would like it to say grown in, finished in, manufactured in so you can understand there is a longer process. I think people will actually treasure their clothing more when they know there are so many processes underneath the whole process of producing one jumper. They will think twice before they actually buy so many of them. Definitely. At the beginning of the year, new zealands Prime Ministerjacinda ardern came to the uk on business and she gave this programme her only tv interview on that trip covering a wide range of topics including trade post brexit and being mum to a six month old. I get a differentjoy from motherhood than i do with my role as Prime Minister. And she is a perfect antidote. So im finding we are working beautifully together. Really . Yes. At the end of a day, we are. Of course, its easy to feel youve got the weight of the world on your shoulders, at least the weight of your country, but it is amazing what herjust giggling at me can do to bring perspective. Which is more pleasurable . I get greatjoy from both but i have said, because being Prime Minister is a privilege, as much as it is a difficultjob, it is a privilege but politics comes and goes and when i am done with politics, ill always be a mum. Do feel conflicted sometimes, pulled one way when you want to spend time with your baby . Absolutely so does every parent, i expect, mums and dads. Do you experience the guilt . Yes, absolutely, you know . That is the guilt of whether or not i am a good enough daughter, sister, partner, mother. Again, show me a woman who doesnt. Bill on twitter says this. Id like to ask the Prime Minister of new zealand, if she has a spare hour, could she take on being Prime Minister of the uk as well . Being a mum shell be used to multitasking and doing five things at once are running the uk should be easy for her. Sadly, our current politicians couldnt even change a nappy. Thankfully, i dont have the challenges the politicians here do at this time. We have our own but very different. Michelle obama was recently reported as saying the idea women can have it all is a lie. Is she right . I think, you know, i was very aware that, even when i announced i was having neve, there was a sense i needed to prove it was somehow possible for a woman to do everything. And i have always been open about saying that actually, i cant. I cant physically do the job of being Prime Minister and mother by myself. So, i constantly talk about the fact we shouldnt expect women to be superhuman. And, so, i do what i do because i have the support and help, and co parenting of my partner clarke. Thats how i do what i do. Im not a super woman and we shouldnt pretend that we are. That does a disservice to all women, it raises expectations that no one can meet. When i look on your twitter feed, there are some people on there who are really praising you and saying you are a superwoman, that is how they view you. Yeah, no. No. There are days when i walk into my house and think, you know, if there is any side im letting down, it is the tidiness of the house i live in, so i am no superwoman at all. And i think we set ourselves up to fail if we present in that way. So, from time to time i might do a press conference with a bit of sick on my shoulder but, for me, that isjust because i am human. And i dont mind people seeing frailty. Laura texts this i already buy reasonably priced new zealand lamb, kiwi fruit, wine and butter under present eu trading agreements. Once the uk leaves the eu, what are the likely benefits to the new zealand economy exporting to the uk under World Trade Organisation tariffs . Your goods would become more expensive. I wouldnt make any assumptions before we have the ability to move into a negotiation. Of course, our goal is to make markets more accessible for new zealand products by removing the barriers, so i wouldnt say thats a natural by product. For us, it is about saying we are complementary, i dont think the domestic market and the producers of food in the uk need to be nervous about greater access for new zealand products because, for instance, seasonally we are complementary, so there is a nice synergy there. When you are in winter, we are in summer. So theres benefits between our markets having greater access to one another. For us as well, we like to add particular quality to our products. Take for instance new zealand lamb, we have a particular lamb product thats high in omegas, its been likened to eating fish. So we try to create a proposition that can differentiate from products that you might otherwise be able to be access. So for us, it is simply about increasing that trading relationship for the benefit of british consumers, too, because we are free range, we dont like to use hormones, environmentally sustainable products, and so all the better if you are able to access them. We will see what happens. Youve been incredibly open, thank you. You are incredibly open about your family life, about yourjob, ive watched some of your facebook lives in the hospital room where you gave birth with your partner in the background. There we are. There she is. Thats neve, yes. From your sofa at home with your sleeping baby on your lap, talking about a particular policy on the day it came in. Videos from behind the scenes at the un general assembly. I did one from the car this morning. Ive seen it, i tweeted it. It was a little bit dark but otherwise, it was great yes no reading what someone else has written for you, no autocue, no scripts. It is rather different from other world leaders, not that ive met that many but ive seen them. Why is being open so important to you . I do think that we are in an era, where, for a whole host of reasons, people have lost a bit faith in politicians and Political Institutions and there is no point us hauling over the coals of history to point blame. But i think now people, i think, are looking for reasons why they dont feel like they are getting ahead or their life isnt what has been promised by politicians and if we are going to restore faith, in part, it is what we deliver and we need to respond to peoples needs. But at the same time, we need to be human about the way we do it. Politicians, ultimately, we are frail individuals, we are humans. Most of the time, we go into politics for very genuine reasons. I think there is benefit in just demonstrating that there doesnt have to be a veneer. We are doing the best that we can. You can be normal . We can be and we are normal. That is it for now, we are back onjanuary 6th, live at 10am on bbc two and the bbc news channel. In the meantime, if you have a story, contact me on twitter. Thanks for watching. Hello there. Its not looking quite as wet over the next few days, particularly across the eastern side of england. We had some rain here early on. Thats moved through and instead we are looking at showers to come in overnight. Quite a brisk wind for many parts of the country. The heavier showers out towards the west. A few getting into eastern parts of england but not many. Enough of a breeze, though, perhaps, to keep temperatures to around three or 4 degrees. Where we will have the clearer skies and lighter winds in the north east of scotland there will be a frost and it will be a chilly old day, i think, for tomorrow. Otherwise, the main focus of the showers for monday for a while at least, central and southern scotland, Northern Ireland and northern england, one or two heavy ones as well. South of that, the odd shower, but on the whole it will be a dry day and there will be some sunshine. We should start to see the number of flood warnings dropping and 11 degrees likely across southern parts of england and wales. As we move into christmas eve, we will see a bit more cloud around, maybe some showery bursts of rain and sunshine further north. It gets a bit colder for Christmas Day itself but it should be dry for the most part and there will be some sunshine around as well. This is bbc news. Im julian worricker. The headlines at 4 tesco suspends Christmas Card production at a chinese factory after a six Year Old Girl in london finds a message claiming that prisoners are being forced to pack them. We were writing in them and about on my sixth or eighth card, there was. Somebody had already written in it. A mans been arrested in sussex on suspicion of murder after the deaths of two women outside a house in crawley down. The home secretary meets the family of harry dunn, the teenager killed in a Road Accident in northamptonshire in august. It is very, very difficult in terms of what they are going through right now