For calais said people who have had traumatic experiences, to house any human being in Something Like the Bibby Stockholm is inhumane, to try to do so to this group of people is unbelievably cruel. The conservative deputy chairman, said they should expletive off. Your reaction . Get in touch. 15 Asylum Seekers have spent their first night aboard the Bibby Stockholm in dorset. 20 have refused to get on and have launched legal challenges. Ministers want to move hundreds more there this week. The home office has announced a unit to stop potential Immigration Fraud by lawyers encouraging false claims by Asylum Seekers. Staff in the Immigration System are being trained to spot potential Rogue Lawyers who may be coaching Asylum Seekers to help them stay in the uk. Its exam results day for pupils across scotland. More than 140,000 who sat their nationals, highers and advanced highers will receive their grades. The funeral of the irish singer Sinead Oconnor will be held near dublin this morning. She was found unresponsive at her home in london last month. Just to reiterate, you will hear views in the next hour plus that you do not disagree with, you will hear views that you do disagree with, you do agree with, but the people you disagree with also pay the licence fee. Its worth saying that because you often get discussions like this, why did you let them on . Because they pay the licence fee and represent a body of opinion. We welcome steve smith, the ceo of the aforementioned care for calais. Good morning, steve. Aforementioned care for calais. Good morning. Steve aforementioned care for calais. Good morning, steve. And | morning, steve. Good morning. And tom hunt mp morning, steve. Good morning. And tom hunt mp. Good morning, steve. Good morning. And tom hunt mp. Good morning. Morning, steve. Good morning. And tom hunt mp. Good morning. Stevei tom hunt mp. Good morning. Steve smith, looking tom hunt mp. Good morning. Steve smith, looking at tom hunt mp. Good morning. Steve smith, looking at the tom hunt mp. Good morning. Steve smith, looking at the conditions tom hunt mp. Good morning. Steve smith, looking at the conditions on | smith, looking at the conditions on board, it doesnt look that bad. A gym with treadmills, cross trainer, Weight Training, ensuite bedrooms, a Computer Room with pcs available, wi fi, which isnt particularly good but it is there. 24 hour canteen, three meals a day. 0utside but it is there. 24 hour canteen, three meals a day. Outside of mealtimes, soup, tea, coffee, breads and spreads available. A team of 28 on the Catering Team serving culturally sensitive food and dietary choices, like vegan, Film Nights With Movies Chosen to optimise english language skills, an outside courtyard with basketball hoops, english classes and a bus every hour from seven m to 11pm ferrying people back and forth 7am. Steve, whats the problem . It sounds fantastic when you put it like that, im thinking of booking a cruise myself what is the problem . The problem is severalfold. It was built for 220 people and the plan is to put 506 on board. That is going to put 506 on board. That is going to vastly overcrowd it. I havent been on the barge but ive seen films of the gymnasium, the cross trainers, the Weight Training machines, they are really tiny. Youve got 506 people queueing up for that sort of thing, of course they get three meals a day, thats they get three meals a day, thats the situation that is currently also in place with hotels, but on top of that they get just over in place with hotels, but on top of that they getjust over nine £9 per person per week, there might be buses going back and forth but there is no money to spend in town. The buses have to go through to Security Checks going out, and coming back in. Forall checks going out, and coming back in. For all intents and purposes, this is similar to a Detention Facility. What we are talking about in terms of residence, we are looking at survivors of torture, those who have been kidnapped, those who have been shot at and survived persecution and war zones. There was a glib expression about, they might be scared of the water because they have crossed the channel. Some will have crossed the channel. Some will have seen friends and Family Members potentially drowned at sea, Notjust On The Channel but crossing the mediterranean. In terms of what they can do and where they can go, effectively they are confined in small rooms. There might be the odd outlet with a full night but the ability to go out in the sunshine and get fresh air and get exercise is inhibited so for all intents and purposes, this is like a Detention Facility. Purposes, this is like a Detention Facili. ,. ,. , facility. Tom hunt, react to that, lease. Facility. Tom hunt, react to that, please im facility. Tom hunt, react to that, please. Im quite facility. Tom hunt, react to that, please. Im quite encouraged facility. Tom hunt, react to that, please. Im quite encouraged to | facility. Tom hunt, react to that, please. Im quite encouraged to hear it like a detention please. Im quite encouraged to hear it like a Detention Facility, please. Im quite encouraged to hear it like a Detention Facility, i it like a Detention Facility, i would it like a Detention Facility, i would actually like it to be one. The illegal Migration Bill was looking to deliver that. Wait a minute, expand looking to deliver that. Wait a minute, expand on looking to deliver that. Wait a minute, expand on that. Looking to deliver that. Wait a minute, expand on that. You | looking to deliver that. Wait a minute, expand on that. You would like it to be more like a Detention Facility . Like it to be more like a Detention Facili . ,. , � ,. , facility . Yes, thats what the ille. Al facility . Yes, thats what the illegal migration facility . Yes, thats what the illegal Migration Bill facility . Yes, thats what the illegal Migration Bill is facility . Yes, thats what the i illegal Migration Bill is looking facility . Yes, thats what the illegal Migration Bill is looking to deliver illegal Migration Bill is looking to deliver so ive got concerns about the ability deliver so ive got concerns about the ability to abscond, having illegally the ability to abscond, having illegally entered the country and disappearing into the community, i think disappearing into the community, i think we disappearing into the community, i think we should be detained for a small think we should be detained for a small amount of time in the uk then deported small amount of time in the uk then deported to a safer country. That is the plan deported to a safer country. That is the plan with the illegal Migration Bill. The plan with the illegal Migration Bill if the plan with the illegal Migration Bill if i the plan with the illegal Migration Bill. If i was genuinely fearing persecution and my life, id be more than happy persecution and my life, id be more than happy to be in the Bibby Stockholm. The pictures are absolutely fine. I dont see what the problem is. We know that we need a deterrent the problem is. We know that we need a deterrent otherwise we are not going a deterrent otherwise we are not going to a deterrent otherwise we are not going to solve this problem and will continue going to solve this problem and will continue to have Tens Of Thousands of people continue to have Tens Of Thousands of people illegally entering the country of people illegally entering the country every year. Weve heard these country every year. Weve heard these are country every year. Weve heard these are people who have been tortured these are people who have been tortured and victims of x, Y And Z Tortured and victims of x, y and 2 but we tortured and victims of x, y and 2 but we dont tortured and victims of x, y and 2 but we dont know that for sure. We know but we dont know that for sure. We know that but we dont know that for sure. We know that many of them are not. They know that many of them are not. They are know that many of them are not. They are compromising our capacity to support they are compromising our capacity to support the most genuine refugees. The vast majority of the british refugees. The vast majority of the British Public are fed up, they want to see British Public are fed up, they want to see a British Public are fed up, they want to see a resolution. British public are fed up, they want to see a resolution. Which views are the fed to see a resolution. Which views are they fed up to see a resolution. Which views are they fed up with . To see a resolution. Which views are they fed up with . The to see a resolution. Which views are they fed up with . The fact to see a resolution. Which views are they fed up with . The fact we to see a resolution. Which views are they fed up with . The fact we got i they fed up with . The fact we got they fed up with . The fact we got the Bibby Stockholm they fed up with . The fact we got the Bibby Stockholm which they fed up with . The fact we got the Bibby Stockholm which is they fed up with . The fact we got i the Bibby Stockholm which is being used to the Bibby Stockholm which is being used to accommodate Military Which used to accommodate Military Which has used to accommodate Military Which has been used to house Military Which has been used to house military and its fine but people who claim military and its fine but people who claim to military and its fine but people who claim to be military and its fine but people who claim to be fleeing persecution. The british claim to be fleeing persecution. The british taxpayer is fed up with this and fed british taxpayer is fed up with this and fed up british taxpayer is fed up with this and fed up of accommodating these individuals in 4 star hotels and they individuals in 4 star hotels and they see individuals in 4 star hotels and they see this as a step forward. And also the they see this as a step forward. And also the assumption that there are genuine also the assumption that there are genuine refugees, the assumption. This ludicrousness of them saying they are this ludicrousness of them saying they are scared of water when they havem they are scared of water when they havem to they are scared of water when they have. ,. ,. , have. To be fair, i think that miaht have. To be fair, i think that might be have. To be fair, i think that might be a have. To be fair, i think that might be a bit have. To be fair, i think that might be a bit of have. To be fair, i think that might be a bit of spin have. To be fair, i think that might be a bit of spin and might be a bit of spin and distortion. It was pointed out by steve, some of them have seen their friends and loved ones drown. That may be a reason for their trauma when it comes to the sea. Haifa may be a reason for their trauma when it comes to the sea. How many esterda when it comes to the sea. How many yesterday claimed when it comes to the sea. How many yesterday claimed to when it comes to the sea. How many yesterday claimed to be when it comes to the sea. How many yesterday claimed to be scared when it comes to the sea. How many yesterday claimed to be scared of. Yesterday claimed to be scared of water . Yesterday claimed to be scared of water . We had about 20 people claim that. Water . We had about 20 people claim that the water . We had about 20 people claim that. The number of people who died in the that. 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We will read some texts soon. It get in touch via text. We will read some texts soon. Get in touch via text. We will read some texts soon. It should be more like a detention some texts soon. It should be more like a Detention Centre . Some texts soon. It should be more like a Detention Centre . So some texts soon. It should be more like a Detention Centre . So who some texts soon. It should be more like a Detention Centre . So who are j like a Detention Centre . So who are we detaining . Some of the clients are not necessarily earmarked for the barge but one of our clients formally served in the afghan Army Supporting british troops in the war in afghanistan. Another was a pilot for the afghan in afghanistan. Another was a pilot forthe afghan air in afghanistan. Another was a pilot for the afghan airforce in afghanistan. Another was a pilot for the Afghan Air Force supporting british troops in afghanistan, one of the 1s who has been earmarked for the barge is a Human Rights Lawyer from for the barge is a Human Rights Lawyerfrom iran who had for the barge is a Human Rights Lawyer from iran who had to flee the regime and we know what Human Rights Law is like in iran, pretty well nonexistent. Im a former Military Officer myself, ive been in this places and seen what these people had to go through, which is unlike any of those making political commentary about it. These are genuine, we know this for sure, we are supporting thousands of Asylum Seekers across the country, this is just a gut feeling. We know for sure what the experiences are of many of these people and to glibly say. How do you know for sure . Because we seak to how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them day how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them day in, how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them day in, day how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them day in, day out how do you know for sure . Because we speak to them day in, day out and speak to them day in, day out and know their stories. We see their trauma and stress and anxiety. You dont know trauma and stress and anxiety. You dont know for trauma and stress and anxiety. You dont know for sure. Let trauma and stress and anxiety. You dont know for sure. Let me trauma and stress and anxiety. You dont know for sure. Let me reflect| dont know for sure. Let me reflect some of the dont know for sure. Let me reflect some of the reaction dont know for sure. Let me reflect some of the reaction of dont know for sure. Let me reflect some of the reaction of our some of the reaction of our listeners. How do you know they are telling you the truth . We listeners. How do you know they are telling you the truth . Telling you the truth . We can see from their reactions, telling you the truth . We can see from their reactions, we telling you the truth . We can see from their reactions, we know telling you the truth . We can see l from their reactions, we know what they have been through and there is a credibility in the stories they tell us. Every now and again somebody might try and spin a story but thats not generally the case. We are dealing with people who have been through real trauma and we can see it and we can tell it. In any case, why would you flee your country to come over here and loaf around on benefits . We are seeing people who have come through the most extraordinary, difficult, dangerous, threatening periods of their lives. They dont want to come here, they would rather be at home. Four out of five refugees are in countries adjacent to the ones they have fled. They dont want to cross the borders or through libya where there is a save trade and torture in