Also on the programme more questions for the government about who was responsible for moving Asylum Seekers onto the Bibby Stockholm Barge before it had been given the all clear for legionella. And Artificial Intelligence has been transforming how we live. But could ai one day be capable of reading our minds . But first, to the ongoing Recovery Efforts in hawaii. Residents say they had no official warning before they fled for their lives, raising difficult questions about the effectiveness of the Emergency Response and whether more people could have been saved. Early warning sirens failed to sound, according to officials, a failure now under investigation by hawaiis attorney general. Lets go straight to maui. My colleague, helena humphrey, is there for us. Good to see you again. First of all, you have been speaking to officials. Tell is the latest you have been hearing there. Tell is the latest you have been hearing there. Tell is the latest you have been hearin there. ,. , hearing there. Hello, we are here on one of the roads hearing there. Hello, we are here on one of the roads leading hearing there. Hello, we are here on one of the roads leading to hearing there. Hello, we are here on one of the roads leading to lahaina. | one of the roads leading to lahaina. If you just take a look over in this direction, it is over the hill that that community lies. That town which has been utterly decimated by those wildfires, and i have been speaking to volunteers here as well, who have been able to gain access to that community. People who have lived on this island, have grown appear, and they say that when they went in, they say that when they went in, they tried to get their bearings, and theyjust couldnt recognise any of the buildings. It was completely unrecognisable, is what they have been telling me. You can also see behind me that this is a checkpoint, a military checkpoint, also being enforced here by the police. That is because they are trying to limit who can get in. Right now, only Emergency Workers and only contractors. But now and again, you do see more people trying to move in, trying to bring aid in if they can. Because that need is there, we understand, arejust can. Because that need is there, we understand, are just so great. Can. Because that need is there, we understand, arejust so great. Because the needs there. So that is what is trying to be enforced there, but when the reasons it is restricted there, its because there is very delicate, sensitive operations of recovery continue, coming through the rubble theyre trying to find more people lost. We have more winnings from the governor, when he was walking through lahaina, essentially saying that people must prepare for the death toll to rise further. We have more warnings. He gave an estimate saying we are expecting to find around 20 bodies per day right now in Recovery Efforts. So, certainly a significant and mounting death toll, as well, in that latest information from the governor. We have also heard more from fema, saying they are going to be deploying more resources to the islands, and certainly, speaking to people here, growing calls for more aid as well, fema also delivering an update, we believe, around about now, so we will bring you more details on that. But we were also hearing from the early as to the question of whether there will be a visit from President Biden himself, in what is now the worst wildfire in a century here in the united states. The message from fema currently is that there is not a timetable on that there is not a timetable on that yet, and the president wouldnt want to distract from the ongoing recovery operations. Want to distract from the ongoing recovery operations. Thank you so much for your recovery operations. Thank you so much for your reporting recovery operations. Thank you so much for your reporting there. Much for your reporting there. Theyre in maui for us. Lets go right to our panel. It is great to have you both on the context tonight. I would to start with you, ron. We are talking about an incredible disaster here, particularly in the town of lahaina, as we have been mentioning, on the island of maui. Can you give us an idea was the federal effort will also have to be here, just to those recovery and Rebuilding Efforts . Good evening to you, it breaks my heart, i wasjust in maui a couple of years ago. I was just in the town of years ago. I was just in the town of lahaina, and it isjust unrecognisable. But for my service in the federal government, i can tell you that the federal Emergency Management agency, fema, they are going to be ramping up in a rapid way, food, water, supplies, clothing, coordinating with the American Red Cross and other Charitable Organisations to try to get this community, this island back up get this community, this island back up on its feet. But i will tell you this, it will take a lot of time, and it will take billions of dollars. So, the american people, and those Around The World is watching this, need to recognise that it watching this, need to recognise thatitis watching this, need to recognise that it is going to be later rather than sooner, before the full force of the American Government can come to bear, and to try to stave off this devastating tragedy. I to bear, and to try to stave off this devastating tragedy. I want to brin ou this devastating tragedy. I want to bring you in. This devastating tragedy. I want to bring you in, sonia, this devastating tragedy. I want to bring you in, sonia, because this devastating tragedy. I want to bring you in, sonia, because we i this devastating tragedy. I want to i bring you in, sonia, because we host there their inner reporting that it seems like the Alarm Systems that were meant to sound didnt. They didnt want people when those fires were starting to move very quickly. We are seeing incredible wildfires here in europe as well, in greece and portugal. I imagine this is something that will have to be addressed here in europe as well. Absolutely. When you look at what has been absolutely. When you look at what has been happening across Southern Europe has been happening across Southern Europe in has been happening across Southern Europe in recent weeks, the number of tourists europe in recent weeks, the number of tourists and local residents who have been of tourists and local residents who have been affected by really destructive fires, and we have seen loss of destructive fires, and we have seen loss of life destructive fires, and we have seen loss of life in places in the mediterranean europe, and the southern mediterranean europe, and the southern mediterranean. There are definitely southern mediterranean. There are definitely questions to be asked about definitely questions to be asked about the response, but also, there are deeper about the response, but also, there are deeperand about the response, but also, there are deeper and longer term questions about are deeper and longer term questions about the are deeper and longer term questions about the Climate Crisis and the link between the Climate Crisis and the kinds link between the Climate Crisis and the kinds of devastation we have seen the kinds of devastation we have seen and the kinds of devastation we have seen and the southern mediterranean this summer. Lots of experts you speak this summer. Lots of experts you speak to, this summer. Lots of experts you speak to, they say that destructive weether speak to, they say that destructive Weather Events like this are going to be Weather Events like this are going to be a Weather Events like this are going to be a more common feature of european to be a more common feature of european summers going forward, and that is european summers going forward, and that is going to have huge consequences, because you know, when you see consequences, because you know, when you see the consequences, because you know, when you see the level of fire we have seen you see the level of fire we have seen for you see the level of fire we have seen for example on some of the greek seen for example on some of the greek islands, that causes destruction and loss of life in the immediate term, but it also takes these immediate term, but it also takes these places a long time to rebuild, after a these places a long time to rebuild, after a fire these places a long time to rebuild, after a fire like this. You see exactly after a fire like this. You see exactly the same in hawaii, where even exactly the same in hawaii, where even given exactly the same in hawaii, where even given the death count is that there even given the death count is that there is even given the death count is that there is already, this is thought to be the there is already, this is thought to be the worst buy in over a century in the be the worst buy in over a century in the us, be the worst buy in over a century in the us, so, the worst fire. So, in the us, so, the worst fire. So. We in the us, so, the worst fire. So. We was in the us, so, the worst fire. So, we was that these kind of catastrophic Weather Events are going catastrophic Weather Events are going to catastrophic Weather Events are going to be happening more frequently across the world. Coming back to you. Frequently across the world. Coming back to you, ron, frequently across the world. Coming back to you, ron, if frequently across the world. Coming back to you, ron, if that frequently across the world. Coming back to you, ron, if that is back to you, ron, if that is certainly the case, we have seen that there are more wildfires not just in california but in other parts of the country as well, and we have also received in the north is part of the us, the effects of the wildfires in canada. I know this fema, the agency imagine got a lot of criticism for its handling of Hurricane Katrina in the George W Bush administration. The agency you mention. Do you think this agency is now ready for an increasing amounts of these types of disasters . ,. , ,. Disasters . They should be. They have certainly been disasters . They should be. They have certainly been given disasters . They should be. They have certainly been given the disasters . They should be. They have certainly been given the resources certainly been given the resources over the last 20 years to address just this type of situation. The one thing i would caution however, when we look at hawaii and we look at maui in particular, what we have been hearing here in the states is that this wasnt climate, this was due to sparks that were allegedly caused by the Power Utility Company in maui. So, this wasnt climate change, this wasnt a man made disaster. This was a foreseeable event, if they had taken the time to look at the power lines, and the other thing that we see here is that a lot of states are very restrictive about the ability to cut back on dead, dying and diseased brush, which left unturned, can of course be a tinderbox for fire. So, we which left unturned, can of course be a tinderbox forfire. So, we need to look at our own policies here in the states, and Around The World, to make sure we are doing everything we can to ensure that we dont have a tinderbox that goes up in flames. That is a good point. Ron and sonia, stay right there. Staying in the us, theres been confusion in georgia today. A court in Fulton County is looking into election interference in the state, and jurors could hand down an indictment against former president donald trump. According to the reuters news agency, a Charging Document was posted online then quickly removed from the Fulton County courts website. Shortly afterwards, a spokesperson for the District Attorneys Office said, the reuters report that those charges were filed is inaccurate. Beyond that we cannot comment. So, its still unclear why the Charging Document was posted online and when well have an official update from the court on any potential charges. But the Fulton County district attorney, fani willis, is widely expected to ask a grand jury to charge mr trump over efforts to overturn the Election Results in the state of georgia. Mr trump has denied any wrongdoing, calling the investigations politically motivated and a witch hunt. Officials have heightened security in atlanta and erected barricades outside the court. Mr trump has already been indicted three times, once in the state of new york and twice more on federal charges. The Georgia Investigation has been going on for two and a half years. You might remember this now infamous Audio Recording of the former president calling brad raffensperger, georgia Secretary Of State, on january 2nd 2021. Take a listen. Lets bring the panel back in. Id like to start with you, because that is a phone call many people have heard in the us, particularly in the january Six Committee hearings in the house of representatives. Of the cases we have seen into the former president , do you think that this in georgia, if it is indeed an indictment, is the strongest . Well, if i were indictment, is the strongest . Well, if i were the indictment, is the strongest . Well, if i were the former indictment, is the strongest . Well, if i were the former president indictment, is the strongest . Ii if i were the former president of the united states, i would be most concerned about this case in georgia. Why . Number one, they have the audio. They have him telling the Secretary Of State in georgia, i need additional votes. Number two, is that not intimidation of a state wide election official, to try to change the outcome of an election . And number three, perhaps most importantly, mr trump knew what he was saying, and knew he had the potential to try to obstruct the legitimate election result in georgia, and yet, he went there anyway. So, for the couple of federal indictment and state indictments, if i were trump, i would think that he is going to be indicted in a matter of days if not weeks, and this one should cause his legal team the most concern. Id legal team the most concern. Id like to follow up on that, because the former president doesnt seem at all worried, and he is in fact raise money off of the previous indictment and seems to have gained support in the polls as well. I and seems to have gained support in the polls as well. The polls as well. I can only speak to this as a the polls as well. I can only speak to this as a lawyer the polls as well. I can only speak to this as a lawyer and the polls as well. I can only speak to this as a lawyer and not the polls as well. I can only speak to this as a lawyer and not as the polls as well. I can only speak to this as a lawyer and not as a i to this as a lawyer and not as a politician. He can raise money and galvanise the base. You can get out to supporters, but as a lawyer and an officer of the courts, i will tell you that looking at the evidence, it looks pretty damning towards the former president of the united states, and i dont think it would be that hard for the district eternity or the state attorney. As mike wrote the district attorney. To hand down and indictment. It is not beyond reasonable doubt, but to the preponderance of evidence, and i dont think Thejury Preponderance of evidence, and i dont think the jury pool would have any problem of handing down such indictment to take this to trial. Sonia, how are people here in the uk leaving the facts of the former president has been indicted three times, possibly now a fourth . Weill. Times, possibly now a fourth . Well, i think ust times, possibly now a fourth . Well, i Thinkjust Obeisance times, possibly now a fourth . Well, i Thinkjust ObeisanceOf I Thinkjust Obeisance of astonishment that even if the former President Astonishment that even if the former president was not only charged but found president was not only charged but found guilty of these crimes, it still doesnt preclude him from running still doesnt preclude him from running for president , and indeed, he could running for president , and indeed, he could do running for president , and indeed, he could do so potentially from prison he could do so potentially from prison. So, ithink he could do so potentially from prison. So, i think that It Isjust Kind prison. So, i think that It Isjust Kind of prison. So, i think that It Isjust Kind of hard prison. So, i think that It Isjust Kind of hard to get your head around ready. Kind of hard to get your head around ready. The kind of hard to get your head around ready, the fact that he faces such serious ready, the fact that he faces such serious charges, including around trying serious charges, including around trying to serious charges, including around trying to fix elections, and you know. Trying to fix elections, and you know. Is trying to fix elections, and you know, is the same time, is the leading know, is the same time, is the leading republican candidate for president in the next