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BBCNEWS The July 4, 2024

And Leigh Ann Caldwell anchor at the Washington Post live. We will start with this developing news out of the us, out of georgia specifically. News out of the us, out of georgia specifically specifically. Over the last couple of hours weve specifically. Over the last couple of hours weve been specifically. Over the last couple of hours weve been hearing specifically. Over the last couple of hours weve been hearing a i specifically. Over the last couple l of hours weve been hearing a few more details and you may remember that this week we have learned that in georgia, former President Donald Trump will be facing criminal proceedings of allegations of election interference. The way that process happens is something called a Special Grand Jury which is ordinary Men And Women Hearing evidence in secret and deciding whether to proceed to further criminal case. These men and women have had their names and we think their addresses and social media profiles leaked online. There were rumours of this yesterday and into today. And in the last couple of hours, we got confirmation, effectively, from the Fulton County sheriffs office. They said in a statement. Is the lead agency, our investigators are working closely with local, state, and federal Law Enforcement agencies to track down the origin of threats in Fulton County and otherjurisdictions. County and other jurisdictions. Lets county and otherjurisdictions. Lets speak now to our North America correspondent. Just talk is free what is going on here. The identities what is going on here. The identities of what is going on here. The identities of the what is going on here. Tue identities of the jurors what is going on here. Tte identities of the jurors were actually in the indictment that was publicly released on monday night. And that is Georgia State policy to publicly release the names of the 23 grand jurors who were put forward in the indictment in order to allow Defence Attorneys to review those names for any kind of questions that they have about the jurors, any kind of proceedings they want to bring. What has happened however is that donald Trump Supporters have taken these names and docks them. Essentially looking up their addresses and details about them and shed them online. They have apparently made threats against some of thesejurors. Notjust apparently made threats against some of these jurors. Not just their apparently made threats against some of these jurors. Notjust their home addresses but possibly their social media posts, their political leanings in an attempt to point out what they see as bias against donald trump amongst these jurors. That is why Law Enforcement has got involved, because there have been these reports of threats, death threats, Made Againstjurors and attacked down any Credible Threats and pursue them. Just attacked down any Credible Threats and pursue them. And pursue them. Just remind us, because it and pursue them. Just remind us, because it is and pursue them. Just remind us, because it is a and pursue them. Just remind us, because it is a unique and pursue them. Just remind us, because it is a unique system and pursue them. Just remind us, because it is a unique system in l and pursue them. Just remind us, l because it is a unique system in the us, and lots of other countries, the uk for example, we hear the word jewelry and think that in the case must already be up and running. Just talking through what the specific of jewellery is. Talking through what the specific of ewelle is. ,. , talking through what the specific of ewelle is. ,. ,. ,. , jewellery is. Grand Uries Are Group of citizens that jewellery is. Grand Uries Are Group of citizens that has jewellery is. Grand jUries Are Group of citizens that has been jewellery is. Grand jUries Are Group| of citizens that has been assembled by the Prosecution Team in order to consider indictments against individuals. It is possible for prosecutors to bring indictments independent of a grand jury in some cases but for complicated cases like this, there can be a grand jury that they then present evidence to the grand jurors review this evidence and then vote on whether to indict or not. It is a process that does not involve Defence Attorneys. It is just a prosecution meeting with these grand jurors to go through the facts of the case, as has happened in this case and has happened typically. Bringing witnesses to testify and then the grand jury, looking at the sum total of the case, they dont have to ascertain guilt at this Point Butjust decide whether there is sufficient evidence for an indictment to be handed down. It is different from a jury that sits and determines guilt or innocence in a trial. This is a preliminary staff that allows a Citizen Input during the investigatory process, the Decision Making process that could lead to an indictment and lead to a trial. , lead to an indictment and lead to a trial. ,. , lead to an indictment and lead to a trial. ,. U,. ~ trial. Stay there, we will come back to ou in trial. Stay there, we will come back to you in a trial. Stay there, we will come back to you in a moment. Trial. Stay there, we will come back to you in a moment. We trial. Stay there, we will come back to you in a moment. We will trial. Stay there, we will come back to you in a moment. We will bring i to you in a moment. We will bring our panel for the first time this evening. Lets start with you leanne, what do you make of this . My leanne, what do you make of this . Tfi audio leanne, what do you make of this . Ti audio is leanne, what do you make of this . Ti1 audio is not great, so bear leanne, what do you make of this . Ti1 audio is not great, so bear with me. What is happening here is that this is just like you said, this preliminary phase in what is going to be a very long proceeding for the former president. And what is happening is that his fall, the end of next week is going to be filled with court cases followed by the fall, winter and spring, deep into the president ial cycle. He is going to be in court forfar indictments that he is facing. Meanwhile, he is still the republican frontrunner. He is going to fight this politically, he is going to fight this legally, butjust do know that his political operation is also very much tied into his legal operation as well. He is spending millions and billions of dollars that he has fund raised through his political entities on his legal bills. Through his political entities on his legal bills. Interesting. Paul, lets brin his legal bills. Interesting. Paul, lets bring you his legal bills. Interesting. Paul, lets bring you in. His legal bills. Interesting. Paul, lets bring you in. Thoughts his legal bills. Interesting. Paul, lets bring you in. Thoughts on i his legal bills. Interesting. Paul, i lets bring you in. Thoughts on the development in the last couple of hours, and i suppose more broadly as well, and what all this means for donald trump . I well, and what all this means for donald trump . Well, and what all this means for donald trum . ~ t, t, � , donald trump . I think from a british oint of donald trump . I think from a british point of view. Donald trump . I think from a british point of view, the donald trump . I think from a british point of view, the real donald trump . I think from a british point of view, the real worry donald trump . I think from a british point of view, the real worry would l point of view, the real worry would be the point of view, the real worry would be the integrity and the security of those be the integrity and the security of those jurors. Be the integrity and the security of thosejurors. Here in the uk, it would thosejurors. Here in the uk, it would be thosejurors. Here in the uk, it would be unheard of to publish the name would be unheard of to publish the name of would be unheard of to publish the name of the jurors. Obviously that is a different system in the us in terms is a different system in the us in terms of is a different system in the us in terms of transparency, there is grandeur terms of transparency, there is grandeurjury names were legally and publicly grandeurjury names were legally and publicly available, but what has happened is that our transparency is coming happened is that our transparency is coming into happened is that our transparency is coming into conflict with the sheer vitriol coming into conflict with the sheer vitriol of coming into conflict with the sheer vitriol of the politics out of there vitriol of the politics out of there. And that means that this phenomenon of boxing or identifying people phenomenon of boxing or identifying people are piling on them, exposing their social people are piling on them, exposing their social media accounts, becomes all the their social media accounts, becomes all the more their social media accounts, becomes all the more toxic, really. And i think all the more toxic, really. And i think what all the more toxic, really. And i think what i all the more toxic, really. And i think what i would love to know is what think what i would love to know is what the think what i would love to know is what the judge thinks about all of this. Surely there are safeguards in place this. Surely there are safeguards in place to this. Surely there are safeguards in place to protectjurors this. Surely there are safeguards in place to protect jurors from abuse. It is place to protect jurors from abuse. It is one place to protect jurors from abuse. It is one thing having their names public, it is one thing having their names public, that is another making sure that in public, that is another making sure that in making them public that they are protected by the state and by the full are protected by the state and by the full rigour of the law. It would be interesting to know what the judge be interesting to know what the judge is be interesting to know what the judge is going to do about this and whether judge is going to do about this and whether the Law Enforcement in fast will do whether the Law Enforcement in fast will do anything about it. Could udicial will do anything about it. Could judicial reminders will do anything about it. Could judicial reminders about will do anything about it. Could judicial reminders about what l will do anything about it. Colic judicial reminders about what the case and judges about . It is judicial reminders about what the case and judges about . Case and judges about . It is a sprawling case and judges about . It is a sprawling case. Case and judges about . It is a sprawling case. It case and judges about . It is a sprawling case. It regards case and judges about . It is a sprawling case. It regards thei sprawling case. It regards the pressure that donald trump and people amounting put on georgia officials to try to overturn the results of the president ial election in georgia. Joe biden when the state of georgia narrowly, but he won the state of georgia and donald trump questioned the validity of that. He said that there was massive evidence of voter fraud. And said that there was massive evidence of voterfraud. And not said that there was massive evidence of voter fraud. And not only questioned it publicly but also pressured Georgia State officials and his associates also pressured officials and also pressured individual election workers to try to get them to admit that there was a voterfraud. In a way to get them to admit that there was a voter fraud. In a way that the prosecution is alleging was illegal. They are alleging a vast scheme, racket, conspiracy, to illegally overturn the judge results. Racket, conspiracy, to illegally overturn thejudge results. And racket, conspiracy, to illegally overturn the judge results. And they are using laws that have in the past been used to prosecute more gangs as well as Public Officials who have been corrupt, in order to paint this as notjust an individual incident, notjust questioning an election worker here are pressuring a Government Official here, or hacking or gaining a legal access to Voting Information here, that all of this is part of a broader web, a broader conspiracy, to disrupt the functioning of the election and overturn a legally run, legally authorised election. It is going to be a difficult case to pursue. I9 defendants. It is going to take a considerable amount of effort on the part of the georgia prosecution. But they are going to try to make this case that what donald trump did was illegal. Case that what donald trump did was ille. Al. ~. , case that what donald trump did was illeaal. ,. , case that what donald trump did was illeaal. T. , t, ~ t, case that what donald trump did was illeaal. T t, t, ~ t, t, illegal. What do we know about the timeline of that . Illegal. What do we know about the timeline of that . Well, illegal. What do we know about the timeline of that . Well, the timeline of that . Well, the prosecution, timeline of that . Well, the prosecution, in timeline of that . Well, the prosecution, in this timeline of that . Well, the prosecution, in this case, | timeline of that . Well, the i prosecution, in this case, has timeline of that . Well, the prosecution, in this case, has said that they want to try to bring this to trail within six months. They have proposed a trial date in early march, which would be during the republican president ial campaign. Roughly the same time as super tuesday primaries which is a vast string of primaries in seven states that could determine who the president ial nominee for the Republican Party will be. Now, a judge has to agree with that. A judge has to agree with that. A judge is going to take into consideration donald trump and his fellow defendants claims. As well as taking into consideration the fact that donald trump is going to be basing trials in three other indictments. One in miami, one in new york and one in washington, dc. They are weighing a whole bunch of different competing factors to try to find a time when this can go to trial. And as i mentioned, this is a massive case. I think a lot of legal experts are looking at this and saying it is unlikely that it could be brought before a jury or a jury injust six months. Be brought before a my or a my in just six months. in just six months. Thank you so much for talking in just six months. Thank you so much for talking us in just six months. Thank you so much for talking us through in just six months. Thank you so | much for talking us through that. Thank you to our panel. We will be back with you a little later. Now to get the latest on the Canada Wildfires. Thousands of people have been told to make a get out of their homes. These pictures give you some reason why. 20,000 people, specifically who live in a yellowknife, in northern territories, have been told to get out of the city by noon on friday. That is the deadline given to them for their evacuation. They have been told that the fires could reach the outskirts of the city by the weekend. We do know that some people have been leaving already. Canada, just for a bit of background, is seeing its worst Wildfire Season on record. Overiooo seeing its worst Wildfire Season on record. Over 1000 fires are burning as of wednesday. A little earlier i spoke to a reporter for cbc north and she is one of the Tens Of Thousands who have already evacuated from yellowknife. Yellowknife is a very remote community. It is a tremendously long drive to get to any of the evacuation centres, the closest that has been established so far for People Driving is over 1000 kilometres by car. Tbs, People Driving is over1000 kilometres by car. People driving is over 1000 kilometresb car. � , t, t kilometres by car. A huge distance. Just talk is free kilometres by car. A huge distance. Just talk is free what kilometres by car. A huge distance. Just talk is free what are kilometres by car. A huge distance. Just talk is free what are the just talk is free what are the personal decision was for you, what things where you weighing up . I was things where you weighing up . I was actuall on things where you weighing up . I was actually on vacation things where you weighing up . I was actually on vacation at things where you weighing up . I was actually on vacation at a things where you weighing up . T actually on vacation at a time and wasnt reporting. I had two children. I had read earlier in the spring the book fire weather byjohn valiant, who talks about this very thing, the issue of climate driving greater hotter and more dangerous wildfires. That effectively cant be stopped without massive amounts of rain or otherwise some sort of afterthought. So i felt fearful and i booked flights and the day that i landed in calgary, where i am now, that night the 30 evacuation was announced for parts of yellowknife. And the next day, the whole city was ordered to get out. Just and the next day, the whole city was ordered to get out. Ordered to get out. Just how unusual is this for people ordered to get out. Just how unusual is this for People Living ordered to get out. Just how unusual is this for People Living there . Ordered to get out. Just how unusual is this for People Living there . It is this for People Living there . It is this for People Living there . It is so striking. I moved to yellowknife in 2013 and the following summer was terrible year of fires. It is remembered now as the summer of smoke, we had fires burning all over the territory, it was relentless. Fire tankers were in the sky at all hours of

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