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I think we will end up in a scenario where there will end up in a scenario where there could be three potential outcomes. Eitheraftera there could be three potential outcomes. Either after a thorough inspection outcomes. Either after a thorough inspection we can accept that no intervention is required, if Ductility Intervention is required, if ductility and strength sufficient and this ductility and strength sufficient and this might be the case. Secondly, when you need to apply a liht secondly, when you need to apply a light intervention, it is difficult to characterise it as light but placing to characterise it as light but placing reinforcements around the edges placing reinforcements around the edges to placing reinforcements around the edges to make sure that it will withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where we withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where we need to undertake an intensive where we need to undertake an intensive intervention. It could be to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove it to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove it and substituted entirely. We will remove it and substituted entirely. We will need to position ourselves in this we will need to position ourselves in this simply because i think there will be in this simply because i think there will be a in this simply because i think there will be a lack of resources to tackle will be a lack of resources to tackle and substitute everything. We need to tackle and substitute everything. We need to remember that these planks were installed over a span of 30 years were installed over a span of 30 veers of were installed over a span of 30 years of construction and its a long years of construction and its a long time years of construction and its a long time. So, we will need to optimise long time. So, we will need to optimise the intervention over the veers optimise the intervention over the veers to optimise the intervention over the ears. , optimise the intervention over the ears,. ,. , optimise the intervention over the ears. ,. ,. , � optimise the intervention over the ears. , years. To be clear, we wont be seeinr years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings with years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings with the years. To be clear, we wont be i seeing buildings with the ceilings propped up that are safe to use, presumably once youve propped it up its considered a danger . Its considered a danger . So, you miaht its considered a danger . So, you might prep its considered a danger . So, you might prep it its considered a danger . So, you might prp it up its considered a danger . So, you might prp it up if its considered a danger . So, you might prop it up if you its considered a danger . So, you might prop it up if you have might prop it up if you have questions about the plank or the raac questions about the plank or the raac itself. Your decision might be on the raac itself. Your decision might be on the side raac itself. Your decision might be on the side of caution to profit. Weve on the side of caution to profit. Weve done tests in real planks and buildings weve done tests in real planks and buildings and in the lab and ive been buildings and in the lab and ive been in buildings and in the lab and ive been in buildings where props were present been in buildings where props were present and assessed the planks. But you can present and assessed the planks. But you can use present and assessed the planks. But you can use the space even but it should you can use the space even but it should be you can use the space even but it should be a you can use the space even but it should be a temporary measure. You cannot should be a temporary measure. You cannot keep should be a temporary measure. You cannot keep it as a permanent solution cannot keep it as a permanent solution because its not viable. Its solution because its not viable. Ltsiust solution because its not viable. Itsjust until you have sufficient information to decide where you are information to decide where you are in the information to decide where you are in the three information to decide where you are in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we do in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we do understand that you can maintain this raac and it can live longer in a safe environment. Is that correct and if so how do you maintain it if its in your building . It maintain it if its in your building . Maintain it if its in your buildinu . ,. ,. , building . It has been already Ro Erl Building . It has been already properly maintained building . It has been already properly maintained because | building . It has been already properly maintained because the history properly maintained because the history is properly maintained because the history is important. Something that had been history is important. Something that had been poorly maintained might not be recoverable but lets say that it reached be recoverable but lets say that it reached us be recoverable but lets say that it reached us in Good Condition and the reinforcement inside the plank is in a proper reinforcement inside the plank is in a proper position as well. You might be able a proper position as well. You might be able to a proper position as well. You might be able to keep using it. Its critical be able to keep using it. Its critical to be able to keep using it. Its critical to avoid. And to be very careful critical to avoid. And to be very careful with critical to avoid. And to be very careful with changes in use of spaces careful with changes in use of spaces. So lets say we want to change spaces. So lets say we want to change the way we are using the root change the way we are using the root we change the way we are using the roof. We might need to be more careful roof. We might need to be more careful in roof. We might need to be more careful in the case of raac. There are things careful in the case of raac. There are things we can do to still use it. Are things we can do to still use it there are things we can do to still use it there is are things we can do to still use it. There is good raac out there. With it. There is good raac out there. With good it. There is good raac out there. With good consideration and knowledge about the plank we can make knowledge about the plank we can make the knowledge about the plank we can make the decision not to intervene and will make the decision not to intervene and will have to maintain it really well to and will have to maintain it really well to make sure it lasts longer. Damini well to make sure it lasts longer. Damini sharma, there was a question on 5 live about whether this is an overreaction. She soon act has been out this morning responding to the claims that have been made about his role in this. He has said that 95 of englands 22,000 schools wont be affected by crumbling concrete. Is this an overreaction do you think . I wouldnt say its an overreaction because raac in its Structural Integrity format is not the ideal scenario. So, i dont think its an overreaction. I think its very much like the process when we decided to stop using asbestos and it was banned. We have buildings older than 2000 that have to be assessed and schools and other buildings that have identified raac should have been following an inspection regime. And identifying where they have got raac. I dont think its an overreaction. I think the Prime Minister is not that far off in terms of saying 9i minister is not that far off in terms of saying 91 of schools wont be affected. Those built since 2001 wont be affected at all. I think for the most part it was stopped in the early 905. So, its going to not have implications across the entire uk for all schools but the schools that are affected are the oldest schools and thats a really important factor to consider and a5 important factor to consider and as my colleague was saying, its not easy to keep the raac in place and pp easy to keep the raac in place and prop it up and continue to use the space underneath permanently. It is a temporary measure but how temporary is a temporary measure . We have to assess that and work out how quickly these planks can be removed and replaced and how the work can be done. Shin and replaced and how the work can be done. � ,. , and replaced and how the work can be done. � , y. ,. , done. An interesting point you made there, its done. An interesting point you made there. Its no done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used since done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used since the i there, its no longer used since the 905. Is that everyones understanding on this panel . 90s. Is that everyones understanding on this panel . Yes, this is a manufactured understanding on this panel . Yes, this is a manufactured product so you cant this is a manufactured product so you cant make it to yourself on a construction you cant make it to yourself on a Construction Site in the way that you can Construction Site in the way that you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro . So, you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro . So. This you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro . 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If we produce it well, if we produce it well, restore it when i if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, it if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, it can. If we produce it well, restore it i when i maintain it well, it can be if we produce it well, restore it. When i maintain it well, it can be a good when i maintain it well, it can be a good material~ when i maintain it well, it can be a good material~ i when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont want when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont want to good material. I dont want to create good material. I dont want to create a good material. I dont want to create a stigma good material. I dont want to create a stigma here good material. I dont want to create a stigma here because| good material. I dont want to create a stigma here because there are several create a stigma here because there are several factors create a stigma here because there are several factors that create a stigma here because there are several factors that lead create a stigma here because there are several factors that lead to are several factors that lead to where are several factors that lead to where we are several factors that lead to where we are are several factors that lead to where we are today. Are several factors that lead to where we are today. The are several factors that lead to i where we are today. The material itself where we are today. The material itself can where we are today. The material itself can be where we are today. The material itself can be a where we are today. The material itself can be a good where we are today. The material itself can be a good solution where we are today. The material itself can be a good solution for. Itself can be a good solution for certain itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications and itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications and its Certain Applications and its produced Certain Applications and its produced nowadays Certain Applications and its produced nowadays and Certain Applications and its produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used safely. Produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used safely. The world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play this the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play this clip i sharma, i want to play this clip from rishi sunak, his response in the last hour to the crisis. 0ne one of the first things i did was to announce one of the first things i did was to announce a one of the first things i did was to announce a new ten year Rebuilding Programme for 500 schools. Thats about programme for 500 schools. Thats about 50 programme for 500 schools. Thats about 50 schools a year that will be refurbished or rebuilt and if you look refurbished or rebuilt and if you look at refurbished or rebuilt and if you look at what weve been doing over the previous decade, thats completely in line with what weve always completely in line with what weve always done, about 50 schools a year refurbished always done, about 50 schools a year refurbished or rebuilt. Thats what i announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review. He i announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review. I announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review. He is trying to ut out first Spending Review. He is trying to put out the first Spending Review. He is trying to put out the flames first Spending Review. He is trying to put out the flames of first Spending Review. He is trying to put out the flames of this to put out the flames of this political crisis when mp5 are returning to westminster. Ive got a question from a viewer, he asks can you please ask the next Government Minister the following question. The enormous cost of fixing up crumbling schools. Is it right to continue Spending Money on the hs2 project when that money, skills and resource could potentially be switched to rebuild our schools . Is this a question of cost now do you think . To be honest, yes, it is a question of cost but they are two polar opposite things. The fact that this particular product raac has been discovered, its been talked about since the 905. There had been various projects done around this. Its been something the institute of Structural Engineers have taken seriously. So, it has been an ongoing process. Its no more so in the news which is why it sitting The Public Eye so much more. Thats why we are talking about this in comparison to hs2. If i was a Government Minister and i had to choose between them, naturally youd go with schools. But they are two very separate projects with different budgets so i dont think its necessarily a direct comparison. Idr its necessarily a direct comparison. Its necessarily a direct comarison. ,. ,. , comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interestin comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question asking, comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question asking, dr interesting question asking, dr roberts has frozen so we are turning back to Prof Cavalaro. This question says, corby has a new town built predominately around the same time as hale where there had been a a5 hale where there had been a number of schools shut because of raac. How would harlow had so many and call be none . Ha5 raac. How would harlow had so many and call be none . Has the investigation been affected by their status, Ductility Intervention<\/a> is required, if ductility and strength sufficient and this ductility and strength sufficient and this might be the case. Secondly, when you need to apply a liht secondly, when you need to apply a light intervention, it is difficult to characterise it as light but placing to characterise it as light but placing reinforcements around the edges placing reinforcements around the edges to placing reinforcements around the edges to make sure that it will withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where we withstand a longer life. Thirdly, where we need to undertake an intensive where we need to undertake an intensive intervention. It could be to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove it to thoroughly reinforce the plank or remove it and substituted entirely. We will remove it and substituted entirely. We will need to position ourselves in this we will need to position ourselves in this simply because i think there will be in this simply because i think there will be a in this simply because i think there will be a lack of resources to tackle will be a lack of resources to tackle and substitute everything. We need to tackle and substitute everything. We need to remember that these planks were installed over a span of 30 years were installed over a span of 30 veers of were installed over a span of 30 years of construction and its a long years of construction and its a long time years of construction and its a long time. So, we will need to optimise long time. So, we will need to optimise the intervention over the veers optimise the intervention over the veers to optimise the intervention over the ears. , optimise the intervention over the ears,. ,. , optimise the intervention over the ears. ,. ,. , \ufffd optimise the intervention over the ears. , years. To be clear, we wont be seeinr years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings with years. To be clear, we wont be seeing buildings with the years. To be clear, we wont be i seeing buildings with the ceilings propped up that are safe to use, presumably once youve propped it up its considered a danger . Its considered a danger . So, you miaht its considered a danger . So, you might prep its considered a danger . So, you might prep it its considered a danger . So, you might prp it up its considered a danger . So, you might prp it up if its considered a danger . So, you might prop it up if you its considered a danger . So, you might prop it up if you have might prop it up if you have questions about the plank or the raac questions about the plank or the raac itself. Your decision might be on the raac itself. Your decision might be on the side raac itself. Your decision might be on the side of caution to profit. Weve on the side of caution to profit. Weve done tests in real planks and buildings weve done tests in real planks and buildings and in the lab and ive been buildings and in the lab and ive been in buildings and in the lab and ive been in buildings where props were present been in buildings where props were present and assessed the planks. But you can present and assessed the planks. But you can use present and assessed the planks. But you can use the space even but it should you can use the space even but it should be you can use the space even but it should be a you can use the space even but it should be a temporary measure. You cannot should be a temporary measure. You cannot keep should be a temporary measure. You cannot keep it as a permanent solution cannot keep it as a permanent solution because its not viable. Its solution because its not viable. Ltsiust solution because its not viable. Itsjust until you have sufficient information to decide where you are information to decide where you are in the information to decide where you are in the three information to decide where you are in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we do in the three scenarios i mentioned. And we do understand that you can maintain this raac and it can live longer in a safe environment. Is that correct and if so how do you maintain it if its in your building . It maintain it if its in your building . Maintain it if its in your buildinu . ,. ,. , building . It has been already Ro Erl Building<\/a> . It has been already properly maintained building . It has been already properly maintained because | building . It has been already properly maintained because the history properly maintained because the history is properly maintained because the history is important. Something that had been history is important. Something that had been poorly maintained might not be recoverable but lets say that it reached be recoverable but lets say that it reached us be recoverable but lets say that it reached us in Good Condition<\/a> and the reinforcement inside the plank is in a proper reinforcement inside the plank is in a proper position as well. You might be able a proper position as well. You might be able to a proper position as well. You might be able to keep using it. Its critical be able to keep using it. Its critical to be able to keep using it. Its critical to avoid. And to be very careful critical to avoid. And to be very careful with critical to avoid. And to be very careful with changes in use of spaces careful with changes in use of spaces. So lets say we want to change spaces. So lets say we want to change the way we are using the root change the way we are using the root we change the way we are using the roof. We might need to be more careful roof. We might need to be more careful in roof. We might need to be more careful in the case of raac. There are things careful in the case of raac. There are things we can do to still use it. Are things we can do to still use it there are things we can do to still use it there is are things we can do to still use it. There is good raac out there. With it. There is good raac out there. With good it. There is good raac out there. With good consideration and knowledge about the plank we can make knowledge about the plank we can make the knowledge about the plank we can make the decision not to intervene and will make the decision not to intervene and will have to maintain it really well to and will have to maintain it really well to make sure it lasts longer. Damini well to make sure it lasts longer. Damini sharma, there was a question on 5 live about whether this is an overreaction. She soon act has been out this morning responding to the claims that have been made about his role in this. He has said that 95 of englands 22,000 schools wont be affected by crumbling concrete. Is this an overreaction do you think . I wouldnt say its an overreaction because raac in its Structural Integrity<\/a> format is not the ideal scenario. So, i dont think its an overreaction. I think its very much like the process when we decided to stop using asbestos and it was banned. We have buildings older than 2000 that have to be assessed and schools and other buildings that have identified raac should have been following an inspection regime. And identifying where they have got raac. I dont think its an overreaction. I think the Prime Minister<\/a> is not that far off in terms of saying 9i minister is not that far off in terms of saying 91 of schools wont be affected. Those built since 2001 wont be affected at all. I think for the most part it was stopped in the early 905. So, its going to not have implications across the entire uk for all schools but the schools that are affected are the oldest schools and thats a really important factor to consider and a5 important factor to consider and as my colleague was saying, its not easy to keep the raac in place and pp easy to keep the raac in place and prop it up and continue to use the space underneath permanently. It is a temporary measure but how temporary is a temporary measure . We have to assess that and work out how quickly these planks can be removed and replaced and how the work can be done. Shin and replaced and how the work can be done. \ufffd ,. , and replaced and how the work can be done. \ufffd , y. ,. , done. An interesting point you made there, its done. An interesting point you made there. Its no done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used since done. An interesting point you made there, its no longer used since the i there, its no longer used since the 905. Is that everyones understanding on this panel . 90s. Is that everyones understanding on this panel . Yes, this is a manufactured understanding on this panel . Yes, this is a manufactured product so you cant this is a manufactured product so you cant make it to yourself on a construction you cant make it to yourself on a Construction Site<\/a> in the way that you can Construction Site<\/a> in the way that you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro<\/a> . So, you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro<\/a> . So. This you can. Inaudible Prof Cavalaro<\/a> . 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If we produce it well, if we produce it well, restore it when i if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, it if we produce it well, restore it when i maintain it well, it can. If we produce it well, restore it i when i maintain it well, it can be if we produce it well, restore it. When i maintain it well, it can be a good when i maintain it well, it can be a good material~ when i maintain it well, it can be a good material~ i when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont want when i maintain it well, it can be a good material. I dont want to good material. I dont want to create good material. I dont want to create a good material. I dont want to create a stigma good material. I dont want to create a stigma here good material. 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The material itself can be a good solution for. Itself can be a good solution for certain itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications<\/a> itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications<\/a> and itself can be a good solution for Certain Applications<\/a> and its Certain Applications<\/a> and its produced Certain Applications<\/a> and its produced nowadays Certain Applications<\/a> and its produced nowadays and Certain Applications<\/a> and its produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used safely. Produced nowadays and elsewhere in the world and used safely. The world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play this the world and used safely. Damini sharma, i want to play this clip i sharma, i want to play this clip from rishi sunak, his response in the last hour to the crisis. 0ne one of the first things i did was to announce one of the first things i did was to announce a one of the first things i did was to announce a new ten year Rebuilding Programme<\/a> for 500 schools. Thats about programme for 500 schools. Thats about 50 programme for 500 schools. Thats about 50 schools a year that will be refurbished or rebuilt and if you look refurbished or rebuilt and if you look at refurbished or rebuilt and if you look at what weve been doing over the previous decade, thats completely in line with what weve always completely in line with what weve always done, about 50 schools a year refurbished always done, about 50 schools a year refurbished or rebuilt. Thats what i announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review<\/a>. He i announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review<\/a>. I announced as chancellor in my first Spending Review<\/a>. He is trying to ut out first Spending Review<\/a>. He is trying to put out the first Spending Review<\/a>. He is trying to put out the flames first Spending Review<\/a>. He is trying to put out the flames of first Spending Review<\/a>. He is trying to put out the flames of this to put out the flames of this political crisis when mp5 are returning to westminster. Ive got a question from a viewer, he asks can you please ask the next Government Minister<\/a> the following question. The enormous cost of fixing up crumbling schools. Is it right to continue Spending Money<\/a> on the hs2 project when that money, skills and resource could potentially be switched to rebuild our schools . Is this a question of cost now do you think . To be honest, yes, it is a question of cost but they are two polar opposite things. The fact that this particular product raac has been discovered, its been talked about since the 905. There had been various projects done around this. Its been something the institute of Structural Engineers<\/a> have taken seriously. So, it has been an ongoing process. Its no more so in the news which is why it sitting The Public Eye<\/a> so much more. Thats why we are talking about this in comparison to hs2. If i was a Government Minister<\/a> and i had to choose between them, naturally youd go with schools. But they are two very separate projects with different budgets so i dont think its necessarily a direct comparison. Idr its necessarily a direct comparison. Its necessarily a direct comarison. ,. ,. , comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interestin comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question asking, comparison. Dr roberts, we have an interesting question asking, dr interesting question asking, dr roberts has frozen so we are turning back to Prof Cavalaro<\/a>. This question says, corby has a new town built predominately around the same time as hale where there had been a a5 hale where there had been a number of schools shut because of raac. How would harlow had so many and call be none . Ha5 raac. How would harlow had so many and call be none . Has the investigation been affected by their status, Academy Versus Local Authority<\/a> . Have they investigated in the same way . Do you have any sense of how the decisions were made as to which schools were using the material and which were not . Its material and which were not . Its difficult to say. Part of our research difficult to say. Part of our research was to identify Historical Records<\/a> research was to identify Historical Records<\/a> about Raac Application<\/a> across records about Raac Application<\/a> across the country and there is very little across the country and there is very little record across the country and there is very little record of that. If you add to this point little record of that. If you add to this point the fact that some of these this point the fact that some of these buildings have no blueprints or information about the material itself or information about the material itself that or information about the material itself that is there because it was in a paper itself that is there because it was in a paper format and might have gotten in a paper format and might have gotten lost, its very difficult to assess gotten lost, its very difficult to assess at gotten lost, its very difficult to assess at this stage why certain places assess at this stage why certain places have and others dont. There are some places have and others dont. There are some buildings more prone to have are some buildings more prone to have raac, as were talking about. Those have raac, as were talking about. Those bigger, flat roofs. These are the ones those bigger, flat roofs. These are the ones that are more likely to present the ones that are more likely to present raac is planks but we also had raac present raac is planks but we also had raac as walls. So, they might not be had raac as walls. So, they might not be on had raac as walls. So, they might not be on the roof but they might be in the not be on the roof but they might be in the walk not be on the roof but they might be in the wall. Its difficult at the moment in the wall. Its difficult at the moment to explain why certain places habit others dont. Dr moment to explain why certain places habit others dont. Habit others dont. Dr roberts, to net clari habit others dont. Dr roberts, to get clarity on habit others dont. Dr roberts, to get clarity on this habit others dont. Dr roberts, to get clarity on this point, habit others dont. Dr roberts, to get clarity on this point, what get clarity on this point, what about factories or Office Buildings<\/a> . Are other workplaces also at risk . Inaudible we are going to ask our other contributors while we try and get dr roberts back. Damini, what can you tell us about the types of buildings that might be at risk . I know that schools are being talked about. Other Public Sector<\/a> buildings will have been affected, courts, hospitals, care homes, factories a5 hospitals, care homes, factories as well and offices could be affected by this. It is taking that level and measure of risk and working out what are our high priority buildings weve got to deal with first . In line with the education side, the department issued an Identification Guidance Document<\/a> which was issued in December 2022<\/a> and updated most recently in august. Thats a really, really good document and in answer to one of your previous question is where you mentioned academies and other schools and whether they were treated in the same way as Public Sector<\/a> schools, yes, this would have gone up to all educational institutions and the most likely scenario about how these kinds of buildings have been identified as from Land Registry<\/a> records from the year of built and the likelihood that they are built using raac a5 that they are built using raac as opposed to any other form. Prof cavalaro. Opposed to any other form. Prof cavalaro, prof opposed to any other form. Prof cavalaro, Prof Cavalaro<\/a>, dr roberts and nick eardley, thank you very much. And thank you to you for sending us your questions. Live from london. This is bbc news. Rishi sunak says its Utterly Wrong<\/a> to blame him for the failing to tackle the issue of unsafe concrete in school buildings. I think that is completely and Utterly Wrong<\/a>. Actually one of the first things | i did as chancellor in my first| Spending Review<\/a> in 2020 l was to announce a new Ten Year School<\/a> Rebuilding Programme<\/a> for 500 schools. Ukraines president zelensky is replacing the countrys Defence Minister<\/a> saying its time for a new approach. Well have the latest from the Africa Climate<\/a> summit in kenya where well go live as the continents leaders discuss how it can take climate action. Hello, im rajini vaidyanathan. Welcome to bbc news now, three hours of fast moving news, interviews and reaction. The uk Prime Minister<\/a> rishi sunak says its Utterly Wrong<\/a> to blame him for failing to tackle the issue of unsafe concrete in school buldings. A5 thousands of children return to classrooms today after the summer break its emerged that more than 100 schools in england and scotland will be closed or partially shut. Its over Safety Concerns<\/a> about what is known as raac a type of concrete known to be at risk of crumbling. 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