First line of russian defences and part of the south. Now mine fields have been blocking the troops for weeks. That means when they are blocked, of course they are vulnerable to russian shelly. Its been dangerous, but careful my Clearing Operation has been making it where they can advance. Ukraine says gains have been made in the south and have expanded their units towards the town of tokmak, Logistics Centre for russian forces. In the last hour or two we have these pictures into the newsroom of zelensky there visiting with troops on the front line. This is it donetsk. I spoke to drjenny mathers. She is a Senior Lecturer at the department of International Politics of the Aberystwyth University in wales. I asked just how significant this is. I think its potentially very significant both symbolically and in material terms because i think weve known for the last several months that the russian defences were very formidable. They would be difficult for the ukrainians to get through, and the ukrainians have been making very slow and very painful progress in clearing these mines. I think the battle isnt over yet. The indications are that they have managed to clear a relatively narrow channel in one particular area, so theres a lot more work still to come. But i think this demonstrates the ukrainians have the determination and the willingness to play the long game and to do what needs to be done in order to take their counteroffensive forward. But with these minefields and how long it takes to clear them and how long its been before any kind of punching through any kind of line of defences, it bodes for a very, very long battle ahead. Well, i think we shouldnt be deluded in thinking that this is all going to be over with very quickly or easily. Ithink, yes, definitely there are many hard weeks and months ahead for the ukrainians, but i think its worth pointing out that while theyve been painstakingly removing mines, theyve also been striking the russians behind the lines. And even in occupied areas of ukraine, such as crimea, and even in russian territory itself, weve seen quite a few Drone Attacks over the past weeks and months and, you know, some very damaging attacks in that sense. So i think the ukrainians are pursuing a wide range of different tactics and strategies as they pursue this counteroffensive to try and weaken russians in some areas while they continue to push ahead in others. Lets bring in the panel again. Im joined by philip rycroft, former british Civil Servant and head of the department for exiting the eu, and kezia dougdale, former leader of the Scottish Labour Party and director of Thejohn Smith Centre at the university of glasgow. 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