Hello, im matthew amroliwala, welcome to verified live, three hours of breaking stories, and checking out the truth behind them. The british army has been stood down from supporting the metropolitan police after hundreds of officers stepped back from firearms duties. The Prime Minister has said armed officers need clarity about their legal powers. Rishi sunak was backing a home office review, after a metropolitan Police Officer was charged with murdering a 24 year old man, chris kaba, in south london last year. Earlier, the bbc was told up to 300 officers had turned in permits allowing them to Carry Weapons over the weekend. Heres our home affairs correspondent, tom symonds. This morning, routine Police Patrols around westminster remained noticeably armed. The metropolitan police says it has enough officers willing to carry out routine firearms duties. But carrying a gun for the police is a voluntaryjob and sources say up to 300 met officers have handed in their ticket. Scotland yard wouldnt confirm it. The shooting of Chris Kaba Last September and the announcement of a Murder Charge of an unarmed officer triggered the protest. The association for armed forces is worried that its members arent supported. I cant understand why that cant be a person who says youre innocent until proven guilty. We will support your family and let justice prevail and take its course, and at least show some support to these officers. They will back off straightaway at the moment. Unless we shoot a terrorist and then everyone is happy. The investigation into the shooting in north london to prevent an escape from a prison van began in 2015 but was only resolved last year. A major concern is the length of time officers are under suspicion. They train very hard to do a good job, and they are concerned that, to be honest, it is not really worth it any more, the risk to them and their liberty and families is just too great. More than 100 of the most highly Trained Counterterrorism officers have given up their weapons, the bbc has been told. The met had to ask the military to cover any potential response to incidents on the weekend. The government will review the speed and complexity of investigations following shootings. When they are using these lethal powers it is important they do so with confidence and legal clarity. That is why the Home Secretary has asked them to review the guidance that we have that governs this, to ensure it commands the Confidence Officers and the wider public. But an inquiry into the culture of the met police this year raised concerns about attitudes in the kinds of police teams which Carry Weapons. She singled out armed officers and the elite squads as having an attitude they were somehow above the law and they should be given special dispensation. This should be part of the task of the met police, to tackle back. This protest by officers goes further than previous ones and there is concern in policing about whether it can be resolved. Live now to east london to speak to dr leroy logan, former superintendent in the metropolitan police. Thank you forjoining us on bbc news. Your reaction to what weve been seeing from these Firearms Officers. I been seeing from these Firearms Officers. ,. Officers. I am really concerned these officers officers. I am really concerned these officers are officers. I am really concerned these officers are believing. Officers. I am really concernedl these officers are believing this officers. I am really concerned. These officers are believing this is these officers are believing this is the only way to air their concerns. What we dont want is military officers patrolling The Streets Of London in a similar way we saw in the 19805 and 19905 in Northern Ireland. And i think officers really need to remind them5elve5 ireland. And i think officers really need to remind themselves of the metropolitan police is in a bad state, public trust and confidence is in good, and this action is going to make it worse. Reinforce perceptions they feel they are per5ecuted heroe5, being petulant and childish. That is the last thing they want to put acro55. The best thing i suggest is your grievances through the home office, through the commissioner, but get back to work. Commi55ioner, but get back to work. We heard in that report from tom a former Firearms Officer talking about ed not being worth the risk any more to be one of the firearms team, the risk of years of investigation if they do fire a shot, the impact on mental health, theirfamilie5. Do you shot, the impact on mental health, their families. Do you sympathise with that thought and recognise it . I recognise it but they know what they sign up to when they become Firearms Officers, and specialist officers. It is part of the selection process, part of the rigorous training. It is risk and rigorou5 training. It is risk and rewards. The reward is it is a very reward5. The reward is it is a very specialised, looked up to by their colleagues, a lot of kudo5, a lot of colleague5, a lot of kudo5, a lot of trappings, going into Critical Incidents i5 trappings, going into Critical Incidents is seen as a real sort of opportunity of developing. If thats the way you want to do policing. They need to know there is a short box. ,. , box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Is box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Is there box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Is there a box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Is there a need box. You will see what the Prime Minister said. Is there a need Forj Minister said. Is there a need for any more legal clarity of exactly the position, the rules the5e Police Officers work under . 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Let me say, these officers are taking this action having threatened to do it in 2011 were the Mark Duggan I55ue action having threatened to do it in 2011 were the mark duggan issue when an officer may have faced the courts. They didnt use it because he didnt go to court. 0n courts. They didnt use it because he didnt go to court. On this occasion they decided to pull out this tactic, which i think is unprofessional and shouldnt be done, and I5 Unprofessional and shouldnt be done, and is Holding People to ransom. , y done, and is Holding People to ransom. , , ransom. Hopefully it will. Soon. What do you ransom. Hopefully it will. Soon. What do you make ransom. Hopefully it will. Soon. What do you make of ransom. Hopefully it will. Soon. What do you make of the ransom. Hopefully it will. Soon. What do you make of the intervention of the Home Secretary, given that allow criminal case, and the intervention of the commissioner . It is interesting the former director of prosecution spoke to the bbc and said the commissioner needs to provide evidence for claims of glaring unfairne55. Provide evidence for claims of glaring unfairness. Absolutely. Spot on. The commissioner glaring unfairness. Absolutely. Spot on. The commissioner and glaring unfairness. Absolutely. Spot on. The commissioner and the glaring unfairness. Absolutely. Spot| on. The commissioner and the Home Secretary need to understand if interfering in this way can prejudice proper trial at the old bailey for the officer facing the murder case. You dont want to influence a jury. Unless you come up with what is so wrong, and lo and behold this has been highlighted when an officer is going to court. It wasnt done beforehand. That is why people think it has been petulant, childi5h and unprofessional. Get back to work, theseissues unprofessional. Get back to work, these issues have been raised and we cant allow our streets to be patrolled by military officers like in Northern Ireland. fix, patrolled by military officers like in Northern Ireland. Patrolled by military officers like in Northern Ireland. A final quick thou~ht in Northern Ireland. A final quick thought on in Northern Ireland. A final quick thought on where in Northern Ireland. A final quick thought on where you in Northern Ireland. A final quick thought on where you finished, i in Northern Ireland. A final quick i thought on where you finished, the potential for the army covering some of these roles. Garters are backed away a little over the last day, but what troubles you about that potential . What troubles you about that otential . ,. ,. , potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last thing potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last thing we potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last thing we want. Potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last thing we want. I potential . Clearly you are troubled. That is the last thing we want. I do | that is the last thing we want. I do think anyone needs it. The met has a bad enough reputation, so much misconduct of over 1000 officers on Gardening Leave or misconduct hearing5. More than likely investigations a5 hearing5. More than likely investigations as well. This is the last thing they want. We need to reassure the public. Trust and confidence is rock bottom. This Action Isju5t confidence is rock bottom. This action is just making confidence is rock bottom. This Action Isju5t making people believe they are not Police Officers, they arent public servants, they are a law unto them5elve5 arent public servants, they are a law unto themselves who do what they want and they can be petulant and childish. We want and they can be petulant and childish. ~. ,. ,. , childish. We will have to leave it, but thank you childish. We will have to leave it, but thank you for childish. We will have to leave it, but thank you for your childish. We will have to leave it, but thank you for your time. Childish. We will have to leave it, but thank you for your time. You | childish. We will have to leave it, i but thank you for your time. You are welcome. There have been scenes of panic and confusion a5 a growing number of Ethnic Armenian refugees try to leave nagorno kara bakh. It follows azerbaijans seizure of this disputed region. Road5 leading towards the armenian border, are jammed with traffic, amid fears of persecution and ethnic clean5ing. Armenia reckons about 5,000 people have crossed the border since the enclave was captured by Azerbaijani Forces last week. The territory is at the heart of one of the worlds longest running conflicts. Nagorno karabakh lies in the mountainous South Cauca5u5 region of Eastern Europe and asia between the black sea and the caspian sea. Its recognised internationally as part of azerbaijan, but has been controlled by Ethnic Armenians for three decades live now to bbc verify and nick beake. Take u5 take us through what youve been looking at. We take us through what youve been lookin at. ~. , take us through what youve been lookin at. ~. , ~. , take us through what youve been lookin. At. ,. , ~. ,. , looking at. We are talking about one ofthe looking at. We are talking about one of the longestrunning looking at. We are talking about one of the longestrunning conflicts looking at. We are talking about one of the longestrunning conflicts in i of the longest running conflicts in the world. It isnt often in the headlines but once again attention is on Nagorno Karabakh. With warnings there could potentially be concerns about ethnic cleansing, forcing out an ethnic group from an area. Look at this video from the past day. If we play at, you will see some of the more than 3000, possibly 5000 people who have fled Nagorno Karabakh already. The5e possibly 5000 people who have fled Nagorno Karabakh already. These are Ethnic Armenian families living in the region. These pictures are from armenian tv. To understand what is happening, lets try and get our bearing5. We are talking about a part of the world which is where the east europe meets a5ia, split between the black sea and caspian sea. Azerbaijan i5 between the black sea and caspian sea. Azerbaijan is mostly muslim. Both part5 sea. Azerbaijan is mostly muslim. Both parts were part of the former soviet union. You can see Nagorno Karabakh, international recognise a5 Nagorno Karabakh, international recognise as part of azerbaijan. Large areas hubby controlled by Ethnic Armenians for three decades. What happened last week was the azerbaijan military launched this offensive, a quick operation, in response to what it said was provocation and made gains quickly. The operation was condemned by the eu. Internet was restricted in Nagorno Karabakh. Thi5 eu. Internet was restricted in Nagorno Karabakh. This is one video weve seen. It is not very close up but around the main city, and you can see the smoke there in the distance. What then happened was a peace deal was announced in which the Ethnic Armenian forces would be disbanded and disarmed, but look at this photograph. Thi5 disbanded and disarmed, but look at this photograph. This is within the city, the main city. You can see this big plume of smoke. Here at the bbc weve 5aid this big plume of smoke. Here at the bbc weve said this photograph is authentic, we look at the outlines of the mountings and buildings. Thi5 of the mountings and buildings. This is true. The idea of a piece being in place there is contradicted by this. Azerbaijan has promised the people of Nagorno Karabakh will be saved, but Ethnic Armenian leaders say they fear ethnic cleansing, and that only one big delivery of food has been allowed through. The claim is thousand5 has been allowed through. The claim is thousands of people are without i5 thousands of people are without food and shelter. Thi5 i5 thousands of people are without food and shelter. This is footage taken in the past week by peacekeepers in the region. They are not from the un, they are from russia. It is clear, looking at what ru55ia. It is clear, looking at what has happened, keeping the peace, protecting human rights and lives of thousands of armenians i5 protecting human rights and lives of thousands of armenians is a pressing concern for lots of people in the international community. To be honest, it has been tough to get a clear picture of what is happening. With more people are merging with their own first hand account, that could soon change. Their own firsthand account, that could soon change. Their own firsthand account, that could soon change. Thank you very much. Could soon change. Thank you very much joining could soon change. Thank you very much. Joining me could soon change. Thank you very much. Joining me now could soon change. Thank you very much. Joining me now is could soon change. Thank you very much. Joining me now is a much. Joining me now is a spokesperson for the red cross delegation in armenia. Thank you for being here. We were watching the exodus of people well under way. What are your principal concern5 . Thank you very much. 0ur Organisation has been present Acro55 Organisation has been present across the region since three decades and will be following of the needs of the people who are been suffering the people who are been suffering the consequences of the situation. Currently we are actually trying to step up our sources to give the scale, by adding personal, specialising in health, forensic and weapon contamination. Also we are trying to offer our humanitarian support and resources to cover the immediate needs of the people, ranging from