A figure the greens say would be more than the combined emissions of all of the worlds 28 low income countries. But supporters argue oil and gas will continue to play a role in the Global Green Energy transition in the coming decades. We will explore some of these issues. First, lets get the political view from sir keir starmer. He has confirmed that labour will not revoke the licence for the Rosebank Oil Field if it wins the next election. Mr starmer said that allowing the north sea exploration to go ahead would provide stability to the economy. Mr starmer spoke to my colleague nick robinson. In relation to rosebank, what we have said is no license is to be granted while we are in power, but we wont revoke any licenses that are granted before the coming to power. 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Sir keir starmer speaking to nick robinson. To discuss all this, joining me live now is Alexander Kemp, a professor of Petroleum Economics at the university of aberdeen. Also with me is dr doug parr, Chief Scientist and Policy Director at greenpeace uk. Professor kemp, i will start with you. I know you dont like to get into party politics, so we will stay on the business sense of it. What is the Business Case for doing this question but what is the economic picture around north sea 0il question but what is the economic picture around north sea oil and gas . Picture around north sea oil and as . , ,. ,. , gas . Ok, the context is the position Reauardin Gas . Ok, the context is the position regarding future gas . Ok, the context is the position regarding future oil gas . Ok, the context is the position regarding future oil and gas . Ok, the context is the position regarding future oil and gas gas . Ok, the context is the positioni regarding future oil and gas demand in the uk as published by the Climate Change committee and our potential production. So the Climate ChangeCommittee Project uk demand for oil and gas based on the idea that we will meet the net zero by 2050 goal. So when you look at oil and gas production, it is very much less. We are a major net importer of oil and an even bigger net importer of oil and gas. So we need to look at the Investment Decisions and the Policy Decisions in that context. The rosebank field is a big field, for sure. The rosebank field is a big field, forsure. It the rosebank field is a big field, for sure. It has now been passed by the north sea Transition Authority. They have an obligation to look carefully at the emissions emanating from this field. They publish regularly emissions monitoring reports and they have been satisfied that the proposed Development Plan and the Production Plans are consistent with the requirements, so they are passing this threshold as well as compatibility check point, as it is called. So the economic benefits clearly enhance revenues, the employment that potential will be generated. The employment that potential will be generated be generated. Doctor doug parr, satisfaction be generated. Doctor doug parr, satisfaction over be generated. Doctor doug parr, satisfaction over emissions, be generated. Doctor doug parr, satisfaction over emissions, this| satisfaction over emissions, this could contribute to net zero, how do you respond to this . We could contribute to net zero, how do you respond to this . You respond to this . We think it is a bad decision. You respond to this . We think it is a bad decision. We you respond to this . We think it is a bad decision. We dont you respond to this . We think it is a bad decision. We dont think you respond to this . We think it is a bad decision. We dont think it i a bad decision. We dont think it will help a bad decision. We dont think it will help with The Cost Of Living. The overall impact on the exchequer because the overall impact on the exchequer because the tax breaks that are offered because the tax breaks that are offered to the industry through loopholes in Windfall Taxes means that it loopholes in Windfall Taxes means that it will be a net this benefit to the that it will be a net this benefit to the treasury. Of course, when you look to the treasury. Of course, when you took at to the treasury. Of course, when you took at the to the treasury. Of course, when you look at the climate side of things, there look at the climate side of things, there will look at the climate side of things, there will be emissions that will be on the there will be emissions that will be on the uk there will be emissions that will be on the uk balance sheet, if you like. On the uk balance sheet, if you like. But on the uk balance sheet, if you like, but overall most of this oil is going like, but overall most of this oil is going to like, but overall most of this oil is going to be exported. It wont be contributing, certainly with any directness, to a uk energy security, and this directness, to a uk energy security, and this is directness, to a uk energy security, and this is a directness, to a uk energy security, and this is a moment when the International Energy agency an organisation set up regarding oil to the west. Organisation set up regarding oil to the west, is saying we should have no more the west, is saying we should have no more oil the west, is saying we should have no more oil and Gas Development because no more oil and Gas Development because the threat of Climate Change is now because the threat of Climate Change is now so because the threat of Climate Change is now so significant. So this is partly is now so significant. So this is partly about The Cost Of Living, which partly about The Cost Of Living, which it partly about The Cost Of Living, which it wont help with. It is partly which it wont help with. It is partly about climate leadership, which partly about climate leadership, which it partly about climate leadership, which it will absolutely undermine, and it which it will absolutely undermine, and it is which it will absolutely undermine, and it is partly about our energy strategy. And it is partly about our energy strategy, which it doesnt help at all because The Cost Of Living crisis all because The Cost Of Living crisis that we are experiencing is a Fossil Crisis that we are experiencing is a fossil fuel crisis that we are experiencing is a fossil fuel cost crisis. It is all being fossil fuel cost crisis. It is all being driven by the cost of fossil fuels being driven by the cost of fossil fuels and being driven by the cost of fossil fuels. And so what we need to be doing fuels. And so what we need to be doing is fuels. And so what we need to be doing is getting ourselves away from fossil fuels at the optimum speed. This kind fossil fuels at the optimum speed. This kind of undermines and derails that political drive to try to take thus in that political drive to try to take thus in the right direction. Professor kemp in aberdeen. 0ne thus in the right direction. Professor kemp in aberdeen. One of the phrases we have heard is Security Of Supply, but at the same team weve been told this will go online from 2026 until 2030. Thats only four years and so is this really about long term Security Of Supply and future proofing . Weill. Of supply and future proofing . Well, it hels of supply and future proofing . Well, it helps Security Of Supply and future proofing . Well, it helps security of of supply and future proofing . Well, it helps Security Of Supply. Of supply and future proofing . Ii it helps Security Of Supply. It does acknowledge that the oil could be exported, but the more that is exported, but the more that is exported, the more we will have to import, so it is a balance between exports and imports that is important as far as that aspect is concerned. To meet the points about emissions, the Transition Authority has an obligation to study the emissions and it has done so regularly for some years now, and has to be satisfied that the div element plan Development Plan proposed by the Companies Involved passes this compatibility checkpoints, as it is called. Thats how we deal with the emissions issue. The economic benefits are the employment, the tax receipts. Im employment, the tax receipts. Im sor ,i employment, the tax receipts. Im sorry. I must employment, the tax receipts. Im sorry, i must interrupt you because we are tight on time. Doctor parr, Energy Independence is surely important for the future of the uk . The question that needs to be asked around the question that needs to be asked around this the question that needs to be asked around this is because there is so much around this is because there is so much oil around this is because there is so much oil and gas swelling around the world, much oil and gas swelling around the world, how much oil and gas swelling around the world, how will exploiting this lead to other world, how will exploiting this lead to other oil and gas being left in the ground . As far as i can see, there the ground . As far as i can see, there is the ground . As far as i can see, there is no the ground . As far as i can see, there is no plausible answer to that question there is no plausible answer to that question. So itjust raises the overall question. So itjust raises the overall stock that is exploited. If you look overall stock that is exploited. If you look at what is going on in the mediterranean, china, the us, big climate mediterranean, china, the us, Big Climate Impacts which are sooner or later going climate impacts which are sooner or later going to impact on us directly with some later going to impact on us directly with some kind of extreme weather event with some kind of extreme weather event that with some kind of extreme weather event. That is undermining our own security event. That is undermining our own security in event. That is undermining our own security in the wider sense. Unfortunately, im very sorry because i know you both had much more to say on the topic, but we are out of time. Professor Alexander Kemp from the university of aberdeen, and doctor parr from greenpeace, thank you very much. North korea says it will deport travis king the us soldier who ran into the country across the Demilitarized Zone injuly. Private king had been due to be flown to the us to face military disciplinary proceedings, when he escaped his escort. With more on this, im joined by our correspondent celia hatton. Whats more ill we learning about this . ~ ,. , whats more ill we learning about this . ,. , whats more ill we learning about this . ~ ,. ,. , this . Well, it is a sudden and abru t this . Well, it is a sudden and abrupt announcement this . Well, it is a sudden and abrupt announcement by this . Well, it is a sudden and i abrupt announcement by korea this . Well, it is a sudden and abrupt announcement by Korea State News Agency that travis king would be expelled from the country. We dont know when he might be deported from north korea and under what circumstances. There really hasnt been any contact with travis king since he fled across the border from south korea into north korea back in july. I think it is interesting, though, that north korea, other times that they have detained americans, american tourists, one backin americans, american tourists, one back in 2017 was arrested by the north koreans when he was on a tour of north korea and his style try to steal a propaganda poster, that was different and the north koreans had decided to get into that situation. This time, when travis king fled across the border, this was a us soldier who was trained in reconnaissance. 0f soldier who was trained in reconnaissance. Of course, theres a whole back story as to why he might have fled across the border, but i think for the north koreans, that wouldnt matter so much. They are suspicious by nature, especially of americans, so they didnt invite travis king into the country. So the fact that he was a trained reconnaissance soldier might have given them some pause for thought, and i think probably lead to their decision to expel him. And i think probably lead to their decision to expel him. Officials in glasgow have approved the uks first Consumption Room for Illegal Drugs. The facility is backed by the Scottish Government as a way to tackle the countrys drugs deaths crisis. The pilot scheme will be based at a Health Centre in the east end of glasgow. Trained Health Professionals will supervise people as they take their own drugs. 0ne country in europe that already has a similar facility is the portuguese capital, lisbon. The city has been operating safe Consumption Rooms for more than two years. The country decriminalised personal drug use more than 20 years ago. Joining me to talk more about lisbons safe Consumption Room is paulo caldeira, who is a nurse and medical coordinator at the Facility Ares do pinhal. Thank you for making the time for us. Tell us how your Consumption Rooms work. Us. Tell us how your Consumption Rooms work us. Tell us how your Consumption Rooms work. First of all, thank you for the invitation rooms work. First of all, thank you for the invitation to rooms work. First of all, thank you for the invitation to be rooms work. First of all, thank you for the invitation to be here, rooms work. First of all, thank you for the invitation to be here, and l for the invitation to be here, and congratulations with this decision by the City Of Glasgow today. Our drug Consumption Room is much more than only a room for consumption. It is a service where it is possible to give answers to people that use drugs, like food, medical care, a bath, and of course also the possibility to use drugs safely. find possibility to use drugs safely. And can ou possibility to use drugs safely. And can you tell possibility to use drugs safely. And can you tell me, does the research say categorically that this saves lives . flit say categorically that this saves lives . , say categorically that this saves lives . , ,. , , lives . Of course it saves lives. If ou road lives . Of course it saves lives. If you goad through lives . Of course it saves lives. If you goad through the lives . Of course it saves lives. If you goad through the numbers l lives . Of course it saves lives. If you goad through the numbers from the portuguese government about the drugs situation, the last report is from the organisation that rules all the political stuff about drugs, and you will see that the numbers of overdoses in portugal, they are coming down and in the last year, the number increased. But in