Make sense of it, any sense of it . What conversations have you had with your teenagers about this . How do we stop young people carrying lethal weapons and what do we need to do to stop more young people being killed . I want to hear from young people, parents, police, politicians, teachers, community workers. Get in touch with your experience. Its a huge issue. Were going to talk about it for the next two hours. Knives is your teen safe . Good morning, heres the news. Thanks, nikki. A 15 Year Old Girl who was killed on her way to school has been described as having a bright future. Flowers and cards have been placed near the scene of her stabbing in croydon, south london. Police are continuing to question a 17 year old boy in connection with her death. A bbc investigation has found over 150 reports of Police Officers misusing their body worn cameras. In some cases, theyre being switched off when force is used. In others, footage is being shared on social media. 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Recently, the Home Secretary, suella braverman, was talking about this and she wrote to constables of all 43 Police Forces in england and wales to give them backing on what she described as common sense policing. The whole issue of stop and search came up. That will come up in our conversation, this morning. Gangs, what is a gang . Recent data suggests that the majority of knife crime is not gang related. Why . Why are young people carrying these weapons and carrying out these acts of violence . On each other. Yet another tragic death in a litany of tragic deaths. Puja kanda joins us. Her son was murdered in 2022 who ordered a ninja blade online. The person who murdered her son. We also have someone who used to carry a knife themselves 15 years ago. Call me on 08085 909693, text 85058. Tell us your thoughts on this, your experiences of it and also an overview, you know, looking on from afar. Everybody is welcome on this, it is such an Important National conversation to have on a National Phone in. Puja, iam heartbroken, one of the top cops described this as every parents worst nightmare. Pooja, welcome to the nations phone in, what is that nightmare like . Good morning, everyone. I cant say good morning, because. Every day. It is like a living nightmare, the pain is constant, losing the way i lost ronan, you get nightmares sleeping, waking up. It is indigestable pain. It is at the core of your heart and in your soul, screaming for your child. And i know there is another mother now in croydon crying for her daughter, her child and i know her pain. Ifeel it. Child and i know her pain. I feel it. ~ ,. ,. , ,. , it. When you heard the news, you must have it. When you heard the news, you must have had. It. When you heard the news, you must have had. I it. When you heard the news, you must have had. I mean, it. When you heard the news, you must have had. I mean, it it. When you heard the news, you must have had. I mean, it is it. When you heard the news, you. Must have had. I mean, it is with you all the time, it never leaves you, but all these thoughts and that intense pain must have Come Flooding back to you. What happened to your son . ,. , back to you. What happened to your son . ,. ,. ~ back to you. What happened to your son . ,. ,. , ~. , son . Ronan was ust walking outside the house, son . Ronan wasjust walking outside the house, coming son . Ronan wasjust walking outside the house, coming back son . Ronan wasjust walking outside the house, coming back from son . Ronan wasjust walking outside the house, coming back from his the house, coming back from his Friends House only two doors away. He was nearly home when the murderers came behind him and, without him knowing, they stabbed him in his heart and without him knowing, they stabbed him in his heartand in without him knowing, they stabbed him in his heart and in his stomach. 20 centimetres and 17 centimetres deep inside. Ronan didnt stand a chance. Knowing what happened to him this way, he tried to make it to home with what hes just gone through. He didnt. Hejust collapsed on the road. He bled to death. The child of mine didnt stand a chance at all, he didnt stand a chance at all, he didnt stand a chance to. He wouldnt have survived the way he was murdered, he wouldnt have survived the wound is because of the sword is. The penetration of the sword was so deep inside his body, deep inside his heart. It went through his heart. He wouldnt have survived that. And. Because this wasnt actually for Somebody Elses child, this was a mistaken identity. And i cant keep getting why they have to leave the house. Why would they leave the house. Why would they leave the house with swords . Even the judge said that, you left the house with a sword with the intention to kill. You just killed accidentally Somebody Else, you killed accidentally, another child. Who had nothing to do with you. Nothing to do with your agenda. Nothing to do with your. Money. But you just killed. Taken a childs life over mistaken identity but you left the house with intentions to kill. They did. And they took my sons life. fix, did. And they took my sons life. A sword . how they were running behind him. No, im saying a sword, the weapon, the weapon, a sword . No, im saying a sword, the weapon, the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weaon the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the first the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the first time the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the first time in the weapon, a sword . Yeah. I saw the weapon for the first time in the weapon for the first time in the court. I collapsed. Weapon for the first time in the court. Icollapsed. I weapon for the first time in the court. I collapsed. I collapsed. Knowing that dangerous, long sword. When i was told for the first time there is a dangerous machete, i looked on the internet trying to show what a machete looks like trying to search. I had never seen a machete because i have no need for machetes, me and my children dont need to look for these things and i got all kinds of shapes. They look so ugly. Dangerous. Lethal. And when i saw for the first time the shape and the. How long the sword was, i collapsed. In the. Court. Knowing this went through my son. My son didnt stand a chance. I knew it. Ronan wouldnt stand a chance. Because the whole of the sword went in heart here. Went in his heart here. In heart here. Went in his heart here. ,. ,. , � , here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been readin here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been reading this here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been reading this morning here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been reading this morning about here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been reading this morning about him, here. Tell me about ronan. Ive been reading this morning about him, he l reading this morning about him, he sounds like a wonderful young man. Absolutely. Talking about him. You can tell what a wonderful, loving, caring son of mine. He made me laugh. He was an imitator. We all had such a great bond. We actually played articulate together. We spend christmases together. We actually spend time with each other. We spend. Ronan made us laugh, he was the glue and the soul of the family. He was so humble, caring, that i even, today, get messages from random people telling me the stories of how ronan has impacted their life at school. How much he helped them at school. How much he helped them at school. How much he helped them at school. And how he protected them from getting bullied at school. Knowing thats my son makes me very proud of him. I am proud of ronan. He had morals and values and he showed them to everyone. Why are these kids leaving home with these weapons . Its the culture. Its the culture around knife crime. Ugly. The bigger the knife, you look cool. You carry it, you look cool look cool. You carry it, you look cool. You just have to. Looking at the sword, that word was used on ronan and other machetes and other swords and knives. Because the murder of ronan, he didntjust buy one sword, he bought up to 25. These kids are not thinking of what it can do to otherfamilies. Kids are not thinking of what it can do to other families. To their own families. Its a culture around it. Yeah. And theyre not thinking about something else, as well. Theyre not thinking about the fact that, and, obviously, its secondary but it is something that will affect their lives forever, theyre not thinking about the fact that this will have. Far reaching, momentous consequences on their own lives. They will be sent to prison. That life ending moment is life changing for them. Why dont they understand that . Why dont they understand the consequences . Obviously. What you say so powerfully and directly and truly, the consequences to families, families are being ripped apart, lives that theyve changed forever, such as yours, and you are speaking brilliantly, but why dont they realise that they are finished, as well . I realise that they are finished, as well . ,. ,. ,. ,. , realise that they are finished, as well . ,. , well . I give you a very good example here. The moment the sentencing was told for my. For the murderers of my son, one of the murder raised his hands to his family and gave a thumbs up to his family like that, like hesjust won thumbs up to his family like that, like hes just won an award. When i looked at the murderer, he was doing this to his parents and was, like, no guilt, no. There is no guilt, no guilt, no. There is no guilt, no remorse. Hes taken a life of a 16 year old. He didnt mean to take and yet he is raising his hand, saying its all right. Thats because the parenting is going wrong somewhere. They are not scared. I mean, he was doing his gcses in the jail, he was re taking his exams in the jail. So, whatever he was doing outside, hes still getting to do them in the jail. His other murderer is still with him. Hes still got a friend that was outside in the same jail with him. What difference it has made in his life. His name is everywhere. There is no remorse he has shown. I really dont know why they are not scared, why are they not scared to go to jail . Have you. How long was he sent to jailfor . Have you. How long was he sent to ail for . , , have you. How long was he sent to ail for . ,. , ~ have you. How long was he sent to ailfor . ,. , ~y. , jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other one jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other one was jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other one was sent jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other one was sent for jail for . One was sent for 16 years. And the other one was sent for 18. And the other one was sent for 18 years, who. Prabjeet veadhesa was 18 years. Years, who. Prabeet veadhesa was 18 ears. ,. , years, who. Prabeet veadhesa was 18 yeah at years, who. Prabeet veadhesa was 18 yeah at thel 18 years. How old were they . At the time of murder 18 years. How old were they . At the time of murder they 18 years. How old were they . At the time of murder they were 18 years. How old were they . At the time of murder they were both 18 years. How old were they . At the time of murder they were both 16. L time of murder they were both 16. Oh. Would you consider if they considered it, would you consider meeting them, Restorative Justice . Try and get into their heads . You will never get try and get into their heads . Vm. Will never get into their head. I have seen it. They didnt show no remorse. There is no way trying to get into their head. They have already committed the crime. If you want to get into somebody� s head, if you want to give that time and effort, we need to do that to somebody who is going to do the crime before. Reach them before. Once theyve committed the crime, they have done the worst of all. Trying to help them. Once he raised his thumbs, his hands, like that, the parents should have been saying, no, you put the hand down. His parents should have been saying, put your head down, you just kill that mothers child, which i would have done if my son did that you just killed. But they didnt. So, trying to get into their head. It is not important any more. What is important any more. What is important is get into the heads of the youth who might commit crime. Now. The youth who might commit crime. Now. ,. ,. ,. ,. , now. Yeah, i want to. Yeah, yeah. What was now. Yeah, i want to. Yeah, yeah. What was the now. Yeah, i want to. Yeah, yeah. What was the parents now. Yeah, i want to. Yeah, yeah. What was the parents reaction . Now. Yeah, i want to. Yeah, yeah. What was the parents reaction . Did | what was the parents reaction . Did you clock that . What was the parents reaction . Did you clock that . When the parents. She raised her you clock that . When the parents. She raised her hands you clock that . When the parents. She raised her hands like you clock that . When the parents. She raised her hands like that. You clock that . When the parents. She raised her hands like that. She l she raised her hands like that. She said, its ok. She was crying. Just before the sentencing. Was going to be announced. All the way through, she had not shed a tear. Butjust before the sentencing, she cried. Those tears that she cried, i cried. Those tears that she cried, i cried every single second of my life. And what do you want to happen, whats your campaign . Mr; and what do you want to happen, whats your campaign . My campaign is about banning whats your campaign . My campaign is about banning all whats your campaign . My campaign is about banning all the whats your campaign . My campaign is about banning all the bladed about banning all the bladed articles online. All the dangerous weapons to be banned online. The murderers were able to, they were 16, collect these dangerous, lethal weapons. So easily. Thats whats happening. The murderer Prabjeet Veadhesa collected up to 25 machetes, swords and knives, i want them banned from online sale. We them banned from online sale. Ive not a text them banned from online sale. Ive got a text for them banned from online sale. Ive got a text for you, pooja. Ijust wanted to say that pooja is a national treasure. She has been so composed for her son, and she has just lost her baby boy. Shes just lost her baby boy. Parents have got to start stepping up, igotan i got an 18 month old baby boy, what advice can any responsible parent give me . As if parents are not aware of what their children are doing. Rip ronan. That is from darren in hertfordshire. Tom in cardigan, thanks for getting in touch. You are in rural wales. And sarah in stockport coming and sarah worked in the care system and a great bit of experience to bring to the table. Tom, there are so many mums and dads who are in that situation that was so powerfully expressed by pooja. What do we do . Remaining inquisitive with your children remaining inquisitive with your children. Unfortunately, social media children. Unfortunately, social media is children. Unfortunately, social media is a children. Unfortunately, social media is a massive influence for young media is a massive influence for young kids media is a massive influence for young kids these days. So, try and be young kids these days. So, try and he as young kids these days. So, try and be as involved in their life as possible be as involved in their life as possible. If youve got any concerns, obviously, get in touch with police concerns, obviously, get in touch with police and Social Services is all i with police and Social Services is all i can with police and Social Services is all i can plead, really. Find with police and Social Services is alli can plead, really. Alli can plead, really. And what about your alli can plead, really. And what about your own alli can plead, really. And what about your own experience . Alli can plead, really. And what about your own experience . I l all i can plead, really. And what about your own experience . I mean, everyone thinks this is in a city, you know, this is london, birmingham, glasgow, manchester. You are calling us from rural west wales, one of the most beautiful parts of britain. Wales, one of the most beautiful parts of britain. Yeah, absolutely. It is rife everywhere, parts of britain. Yeah, absolutely. It is rife everywhere, really. It is rife everywhere, really. Children it is rife everywhere, really. Children are being exploited, Unfortunately, by gangs, but by horrible Unfortunately, by gangs, but by horrible people. So, you know, it is not horrible people. So, you know, it is noiiust horrible people. So, you know, it is notjust london. There are criminal gangs notjust london. There are criminal gangs all notjust london. There are criminal gangs all around. That is what they are getting dragged into, Unfortunately. 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