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BBCNEWS BBC July 3, 2024

The Nobel Committee said ms mohammadis brave struggle has come with tremendous personal cost. Women, life, freedom. The norwegian Nobel Committee has decided to award the Nobel Peace Prize for 2023 32 Narges Mohammadi, for herfight against the oppression of women in iran and herfight against the oppression of women in iran and her fight to promote against the oppression of women in iran and herfight to promote Human Rights And Freedom for all. That iran and her fight to promote Human Rights And Freedom for all. Rights and freedom for all. That was the moment rights and freedom for all. That was the moment we rights and freedom for all. That was the moment we brought rights and freedom for all. That was the moment we brought You Rights And Freedom for all. That was the moment we brought you live. The moment we brought you live earlier. With more on this now i am joined bbc persian� s parham ghobadi. Just tell us a little bit more about her. ,. ,. , just tell us a little bit more about her. , ~. ,. , her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received the her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received the prize, her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received the prize, she her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received the prize, she was her. Narges mohammadi, the moment she received the prize, she was in she received the prize, she was in the Note Aureus Prison In Tehran and is one of the most outspoken and fearless of human rights in iran and this price comes at a moment when we know iran has been fighting, iranians women have been fighting for their freedom against oppression the past year, so that can be really significant for both Narges Mohammadi and iranians women. But we have to keep in mind that Narges Mohammadi, when her husband and her twins, hertwo mohammadi, when her husband and her twins, her two children left the country and they now live in paris, france, they were two little children and now they are grown ups, so she has lived and been in prison all these years missing her children growing up and theres not a week going by where she does not issue statements from inside the prison condemning the oppression of the iranian authorities and the iranian regime. A few weeks ago she went on a strike with her other prison mates to show her protest, and shes also written a book called white torture, and she has interviewed many female prisoners of conscience including the british uranian woman who was jailed in the same prison in iran, and in that she explained the different type of torture, from sexual harassment, two different types of torture such as extended periods of time where many iranians spent in solitary confinement, and thatis spent in solitary confinement, and that is one of the things that many iranians prisoners of conscience are subjected to. The iranians prisoners of conscience are subjected te subjected to. The timing of this is oiunant, subjected to. The timing of this is poignant, because subjected to. The timing of this is poignant, because just subjected to. The timing of this is poignant, because just before subjected to. The timing of this is | poignant, because just before she was named to the Nobel Peace Prize winner, another woman was reportedly arrested in iran. Tell us more about that. , � , arrested in iran. Tell us more about that. � ,. , that. Thats correct. There is another woman that. Thats correct. There is another woman who that. Thats correct. There is another woman who was that. Thats correct. There is another woman who was arrested that. Thats correct. There is another woman who was arrested who, well, the uranian Rights Group Said that this is the mother of a 16 year old iranians girl who collapsed on the tehran metro, and she said she was raining but the revolutionary guard linked news Agency Denied the allegations and said she had not been detained. But the story of the 16 Year Old Girl is extremely significant because the rights group say she is in a coma and we saw cctv but she was without and we saw cctv but she was without a hijab and walked into the Metro Station and then she enters the train and after that we see that her classmates are dragging her out, and we do not know what happened inside that train. Iranian authorities have so far refused to release the footage from inside the train. And Rights Groups say she is in a coma and a dire condition, and the uranian Iranian State is doing their best to control the narrative and not letting anyone, including journalists from independent media around her, so what we hear is only from the state media so far, but ive made a package about this as well. , � , ive made a package about this as well. � ,. , well. Thats right, and we will hepefully well. Thats right, and we will hepefully get well. Thats right, and we will hopefully get to well. Thats right, and we will hopefully get to see well. Thats right, and we will hopefully get to see that well. Thats right, and we will. Hopefully get to see that later. Well. Thats right, and we will hopefully get to see that later. But thanks for bringing us the context around this. The uk labour leader, sir keir starmer, described his partys win in a by election in scotland as a seismic result. Labour received more than twice the number of votes than those of the Scottish National party, which had held the seat of rutherglen and hamilton west. Labour candidate Michael Shanks won just under 18,000 votes. The snps katy loudon came in second. The labour share of the vote is up 2a points, almost as high as it was in 2010 before the snp virtually wiped them out in scotland. Thats a swing from snp to labour of slightly more than 20 . The Scottish Labour leader, anas sarwar, said he believes the result shows that Scottish Politics has fundamentally changed weve just been hearing from labour leader, sir keir starmer. Heres some of that speech. They said that we couldnt change the labour party, and we did it. They said that we couldnt win in the south of england and the north of england, and we did it. They said you will never beat the snp in scotland and, rutherglen, you did it that was some of the speech by the labour leader. Live now to our Political Correspondent nick eardley. How much of this was a turning away from the snp, and how much of it was a turning towards labour . Its from the snp, and how much of it was a turning towards labour . A turning towards labour . Its an excellent question. A turning towards labour . Its an excellent question. Its a turning towards labour . Its an excellent question. Its probably| excellent question. Its probably quite hard to answer at this stage. A couple of things have happened. Labour is undoubtedly picking up voters, no doubt some people in the past didnt want to vote labour and they have decided to do it in scotland and theres also no doubt that some of the snp vote just hasnt turned out, partly on enthused by its offering on independence at the moment and partly worried about some of the issuesit partly worried about some of the issues it has had with the Police Investigation into its finances and the sacking of the last mp here, Margaret Ferrier for breaking coronavirus laws, so its hard to say for sure at this moment whether this is a seismic change of snp voters returning to labour. But what it does do is it sets up labour to be in a strong place going into a General Election in scotland. Ive been chatting to people in the labour party over the last few weeks and theyve been growing in optimism about what they can achieve in scotland and it went from 15 to 20 seats being in play and Wejust Scotland and it went from 15 to 20 seats being in play and we just had the Deputy Leader of the Scottish Labour Party Jackie Baillie saying she thinks labour will now or could now win a majority of scottish seats. That is astonishing when you think of the fact that labour at the moment have two mps. Yesterday they had won, and Michael Shanks when this by election and they now have two. There will be a lot of poring over the data and what the snp will try and do is try to infuse their support and get independence back on the agenda, a General Election could be very different to a by election but when we heard keir starmer and anas sarwar talking in rutherglen in the last few minutes, you could almost feel the optimism. Ive covered Scottish Politics for about a decade now and this is the most optimistic i have seen labour since the independence referendum. They do think this is a proper moment. Abs, lat think this is a proper moment. A lot of optimism think this is a proper moment. A lot of optimism on think this is a proper moment. A lot of optimism on the think this is a proper moment. A lot of optimism on the part think this is a proper moment. A lot of optimism on the part of the labour side of things. Looking at what becomes of the snp now, how much work do they have to do in order to turn this around . I know you mentioned getting independence back on the agenda. What do they need to do . Need to do . They need to get the voters out need to do . They need to get the voters out again need to do . They need to get the voters out again is need to do . They need to get the voters out again is the need to do . They need to get the voters out again is the short voters out again is the short answer. The slightly longer answer is there will be some pressure on the leader, this was his first big electoral test and the snp have failed it pretty spectacularly. There will be questions about his strategy, about whether he is connecting with voters. I think he will seek to blame this on a mixture of factors, including the fact that the Margaret Ferrier situation and the Margaret Ferrier situation and the fact she had to be sacked from parliament and a recall petition and he will try and blame some of the difficulties the snp has had with the Police Investigation on Nicola Sturgeon amongst others, rested and then released without charge. But ultimately he now may be has a few months, maybe a year or so to turn things around because on the swing we saw yesterday, it is colossal, those are the swings were getting in 2015 from labour to the snp and if that was replicated at a General Election, the snp would be very, very worried indeed. What you can put a lot of money on is that the snp do a lot of Soul Searching in the next few weeks. They have their conference in aberdeen and a couple of weeks time and that will be a big moment for them to try and have some sort of reset but i imagine theres a lot of snp people this Morning Feeling pretty pessimistic, actually. Morning feeling pretty pessimistic, actuall. ~. , ~ Morning Feeling pretty pessimistic, actuall. ~. , ~ ,. Actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets ick actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up on actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up on the actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up on the point actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up on the point about actually. Mick, thank you very much. Lets pick up on the point about howl lets pick up on the point about how much this is likely to be replicated in a General Election. Live now to professor sirjohn curtice, a political scientist at the university of strathclyde. Thank you for being with us, john. What is your analysis, then . How likely are we to see this rerun in the election . Likely are we to see this rerun in the election . The honest truth is that byelection the election . The honest truth is that byelection often the election . The honest truth is that byelection often give the election . The honest truth is that byelection often give an i that by election often give an exaggerated reflection of movements against governments. And to that extent at least, we cant necessarily assume that labour would do as well in scotland in a General Election as it has done in rutherglen in this by election. 0ne Rutherglen in this by election. One reason is that it was relatively easy for conservative voters who wanted to ensure that the snp lost this by election to switch to labour, to ensure that the snp lost, but they might be much more reluctant to do that in a General Election. That said, it has been when oppositions start to produce swings of this size, and its not the first one for labour, they had an over 20 swing in a by election in yorkshire back injuly from the conservatives and its when the Opposition Put in the big swings that history suggests that we might be on course to win the next General Election. Maybe labour will not get the 40 election. Maybe labour will not get the a0 seats they had in 2010 and may be they will end up with 20, but that 20 would of itself potentially make a significant contribution to the labour chances of getting an overall majority in the next election, not an easy task for the party because at the moment at least, the geography of its support is not very efficient in distribution and it requires a big lead over the conservatives to get an overall majority. Scottish labour members and politicians weve heard from today seem to be taking those numbers to heart and are talking about possibly being able to win a majority in the General Election but i want to ask you about the turnout and how that affects it, because the turnout here was around 37 and i wonder how much that really makes it plausible to call it a seismic victory, because in 2019 in the General Election, the turnout in scotland was 68. 1 , so how much do you factor aspects like that into your analysis . Let how much do you factor aspects like that into your analysis . That into your analysis . Let me give ou one that into your analysis . Let me give you one rule that into your analysis . Let me give you one rule of that into your analysis . Let me give you one rule of reactions that into your analysis . Let me give you one rule of reactions to you one rule of reactions to by Election Results in the uk. The losing side will always say, look at the turnout, it was low and the winning side, of course will say that doesnt matter. The honest truth is that the 37 turnout in rutherglen, well, its a couple of points lower than the average in all by elections in the uk in this parliament and slightly below the average in all scottish by elections during the course of the century, so its not markedly below, and the truth is that previous by elections that have shown large swings to the opposition have indeed sometimes presaged General Election success. We shouldnt discount this because it is a lower turnout because its not markedly lower and at least we can tell this about the Direction Of Travel even if its given us an exaggerated picture as to how much progress the opposition is actually making. Progress the opposition is actually makinu. ,. , progress the opposition is actually makin,. ,. Progress the opposition is actually makin. ,. G. , making. That is a good rule, john, and i will remember making. That is a good rule, john, and i will remember that. Making. That is a good rule, john, and i will remember that. You making. That is a good rule, john, and i will remember that. You are| and i will remember that. You are always good and very good rules to bearin always good and very good rules to bear in mind. I want to end by asking you now, because we talked about what it might mean for labour in the General Election, but what it might mean for the snp, because we have been hearing from a conservative msp saying that he thinks there would be an snp wipe out within reach. What are the numbers suggest about the possibility of that . Numbers suggest about the possibility of that . Well, if you take the result possibility of that . Well, if you take the result of possibility of that . Well, if you take the result of the possibility of that . Well, if you l take the result of the rutherglen by election extrapolated across scotland you have half a dozen snp seats still but it means the snp would be back down to the level they had in 2010, before the tsunami of success in the 2015 General Election in the wake of the 201a independence referendum. But what does the snp face . It faces a difficult task under a leader who has yet to prove himself and the problem humza yousaf has is that he personally is not that popular amongst the public in general and amongst snp voters in particular, and secondly his party which hitherto has been remarkably united for most of the last 16 years that hes been in office in edinburgh has now acquired a taste for division. There are a number of Dividing Lines going on, and of Course Voters dont like divided parties and they have noticed, the snp being a divided part

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