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For leaving, but last week, a man appeared at Chelmsford Magistrates Court charged with planning her kidnap and murder. And earlier this year, Phillip Schofield left the programme after lying about a relationship with a work colleague. On tomorrows this morning. She and the audience didnt know at the time, but this last week was her final appearance. Itv says theyre looking forward to working with her on other programmes in the future. See you tomorrow. Lizo mzimba, bbc news. This programme continues on bbc one. Fresh horrors keep appearing in this disputed land, and the violence is unending, so does anyone know how to get the crisis back under control . Weve been in the south of israel, where fresh evidence of what happened during the hamas incursion still has the power to shock, and weve a report about the onslaught on gaza. Well speak live to the former Prime Ministers spokesman about whether they have a viable plan for this war. Also tonight, ill be speaking to a man who believes four of his family are missing, feared taken as hostages by hamas into gaza, after Israeli Soldiers have told the bbc about isis style atrocities by hamas in a kibbutz. We ask a former Palestinian Authority spokeswoman if the best option is for the pa to take control of gaza from hamas with international support. At labour conference in liverpool, keir starmer today rallied his members for the election, and possibly two terms in power. But theres no magic wand here. A decade of national renewal. Thats what it will take. Well be asking to Shadow Cabinet member hilary benn how quickly a Labour Government would clear the nhs backlog, build one and a half million homes, and entirely revolutionise the Devolution Settlement for the four countries of the uk, and what level of growth would be needed to pay for it all. Good evening from jerusalem. We are still learning important details about the violence unleashed on saturday. This morning, the Israeli Military said it had collected 1500 bodies of hamas and islamichhad gunmen who attacked the country. We have also learned about the events on a kibbutz close of the gaza border which indeed seemed to point to a massacre of some sort in the words of the israeli commander down there meanwhile in gaza that the pounding has gone on to such an extent that eyewitnesses describe the aftermath of a recent bombing as resembling an earthquake. The Israeli Defence minister has talked about his troops releasing restraints. We start our report tonight from the southern israeli town of sderot. A red warning. 15 seconds to get under cover. Stop the car. Next to that bomb shelter over there. Quickly. Now. Stop. Iron dome missiles raced up to intercept the incoming palestinian rockets. Explosions well, we havent been here long. But were getting a good idea about the constant rockets and defensive fire from the israeli Iron Dome System that youd have to live with if you stayed here. And not surprisingly, almost everybody in this community has left. This is sderot, a Frontier Town thats long been in rocket range of gaza. But all previous calculations have been overturned by whats just happened. Their Police Station was captured and became the scene of a bloody siege with hamas gunmen. Not far away, the kibbutz of kfar azar, where many more bodies of israelis murdered in homes and shelters were uncovered by the army today. It led to accusations about a slaughter of babies, not a charge that the bbcjournalist taken there could verify. We fight for our value, our culture all our life. And, you know, you faught with value and you keep your value in the same time, and i know that we will be very aggressive and very strong, but we keep our moral and our value. We are israeli, we arejewish, and you know, war, its a very difficult thing, a lot of problems, people can stay in the battlefield, they suffer a lot. You can see what happened in here, but we come to kill the enemy, not the civilians in their bed. This is my sons room. In this shaken country, many stories are still emerging from the confusion of saturday. Mihal halev and david abramoff� s son, laor, was one of those at the ill fated Music Festival attacked by hamas. They had assumed he was dead. But testimony from a survivor that they only received yesterday suggested laor had been taken to gaza as a hostage. These people, our son, they went out to party. Theyre young people. There are civilians. They just went out to dance. You see his room . Hes a music lover. Hes like everybody in the world. They went to enjoy and celebrate life. And then they ran. And then in the middle of that with. Just. No one can imagine Something Like this happening. And we are asking from everyone in power, everyone that can do something to go and to get those Children Together with the babies and the grandmothers and all the captured innocent citizens and civilians. Thats what we are asking. She sobs back in sderot, the army patrols the streets. Half a century of failed peacemaking see israel confronting the greatest losses in its history. In its search to recover control, the National Mood seems to be that israeli hostages cannot stop what needs to happen next. At the town hall, all the agencies now co ordinate the response to whats happened and the preparations for whats going to happen. With the mayor suggesting only an invasion of gaza, with the escalation in bloodshed that would involve, will now suffice. All the world say that we need to destroy isis. Why . Because we see that isis was like animals. Hamas now is the new isis of the world. We need to destroy them and we need to go against the evil of iran. This is what we need. This society is still so gripped by the shock of hamass breach of its security that, for the most part, its either oblivious to the suffering of palestinians a few miles away or welcomes it as a form of revenge. Joining me now is the former israeli ambassador to the uk and former Senior Advisor to the Prime Minister mark regev. He is now back start up with reports in the Israeli Press today that egypt were the Israeli Government about the mass action that was about to happen . About the mass action that was about to ha en . , about the mass action that was about to hauen . , about the mass action that was about tohauen . ,. To happen . They reported specific information to happen . They reported specific information was to happen . They reported specific information was passed to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, it to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, it was not true and the Prime Minister were publicly denied it last night. But in a general sense, where they winning . In a general sense, where they winnin . ,. , winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have happened. Winning . Had we been warned itj wouldnt have happened. But we winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have happened. But we have had unfortunately is for very difficult days, you could even say horrific days, where israel was cut, had we been mourned we would have beenin had we been mourned we would have been in a much better position. People we have speak to going around the country, they speak of being bewildered, shocked, and that their faith in their own security is gone. How do you rebuild that how rebuild their confidence in the military and Intelligence Service and the confidence in the government itself . There is great frustration in israel. And there is anger. This is unprecedented, what we have had. So many people it has ever happened before. Close to 1000 casualties, most of them on saturday. The way it happened brutally as you reported, isis type tactics, just mowing people down and slaughtering the innocent. Those not slaughtered taken back to gaza as hostages and who knows what their baiters. The country is shocked and is right to be shocked but we have to turn this around. I started this war and we will finish it and we will finish it on our terms. Will finish it and we will finish it on our terms. ,. , ~. ,. , on our terms. People talk hamas started this on our terms. People talk hamas started this work. On our terms. People talk hamas started this work. People talk on our terms. People talk hamas started this work. People talk about | started this work. People talk about restoring deterrence and restoring belief in the Israeli Military, and thatis belief in the Israeli Military, and that is often code for a kind of onslaught on the community in gaza designed to make them acquiesce or come around to israeli terms and we hear today the Israeli Defence minister talking about releasing restraint on the soldiers. Are you worried that this could lead to war crimes, accusations may be even indictments . I crimes, accusations may be even indictments . Indictments . I would ask other eole, indictments . I would ask other peeple. Sit indictments . I would ask other peeple. Sit ins indictments . I would ask other people, sit ins of indictments . I would ask other people, sit ins of britain or people, sit ins of britain or any other country, what would you do, if thousands of your people were killed in one day. The Prime Minister has compared this to the september 11 attacks in the united states, but actually if you look at the size of the israeli population compared to the israeli population compared to the americans, and the size of the number of people killed, it was worse than september 11. This is an attack on our country, a vicious attack, and we have every right to respond. Those today who are calling for immediate without israel responding isjust ridiculous. They are saying how mass kills your people and you have no right to defend yourself and to counter strike those murderers. It is irrational. Strike those murderers. It is irrational. � ~. , irrational. But you know there is enormous irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy now irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy now for irrational. But you know there is i enormous sympathy now for israel because of the kind of tactics, the shock that what has been denied many parts of the world, do you risk squandering that if you pummel the people of gaza in the way that seems to be the tactic now . If people of gaza in the way that seems to be the tactic now . To be the tactic now . If we dont resond to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to ask to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to ask what i respond you have to ask what happens. So hamas stay strong and we have an attack like this in another month or two months or another year, what is the point . I would remind you that people are watching, israel has friends but israel also has enemies, hezbollah is watching from lebanon and the iranians are watching from iran. And if israel does not respond with force, i am afraid the lesson will be learnt across this region that you can hit israel with impunity and that is not acceptable. Irate israel with impunity and that is not acce table. ~. ,. ,. ,. , acceptable. We heard from the mayor in sderot today acceptable. We heard from the mayor in sderot today a acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire from acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire from israel i in Sderot Today A Desire from israel to go into gaza on the ground and Reoccupy Gaza in order to as he put it dismantle how mass and islamic jihad. Is that on the cards with all the casualties on all sides . You will understand the casualties on all sides . You will understand i the casualties on all sides . You will understand i will the casualties on all sides . M1. Will understand i will not go into operational plans for obvious reasons but i can tell you what the goalies. The goal is to come of this with a different reality in gaza, with a different reality in gaza, with a different reality in gaza, with a quick fix that takes you back to square one gets you nothing, we want a serious change and situation in gaza and we want a result where there is not a Terrorist Organisation in gaza which has both the desire and the capability to inflict this sort of brutal damage that we have seen over the last four days. In other words we will come out of this with a new reality, a more stable reality where we see the israeli people safer and that had situation stabilised. Situation stabilised. Thank you. Back to you. Situation stabilised. Thank you. Back to you, kirsty. Israel is saying tonight that hamas is holding between 100 and 150 hostages. Theres a possibility that among them are members of the 0r familiy. They come from the kibbutz called beerry a few kilometres from the gaza border. At least 108 people are believed to be confirmed in a moment well speak ah al besorai whose Sister Yonart or is missing. So too is her husband dror, and two of her three Children Noam who is 15 and alma who is 13. Their older Brother Yalli is safe injerusalem. We are joined now live from manila where he lives, yonart� s brother ah al besorai. Thank you forjoining us leads you to think that your family could be hostages . We to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. , , to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. , ,. , to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. ,. , hostages . We have witnesses that saw them ut hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the house, hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the house, the them put out of the house, the security in the house, and they were pulled out alive and being driven out. So i think the fact they were being pulled out alive and not short on site and kept with many others in the good bits, it gives us this hope that they are, in the same circumstances, captured rather than dead. ~ dead. When was the last time you made contact dead. When was the last time you made contact with dead. When was the last time you made contact with your dead. When was the last time you made contact with your sister dead. When was the last time you made contact with your sister or l made contact with your sister or your brother in law . Was it as all this was unfolding . Your brother in law . Was it as all this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am on saturday this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctober seven. Was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctoberseven. She was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctober seven. She was whispering because there were voices outside and shooting outside and she didnt want them to notice that she was inside. So seejust want them to notice that she was inside. So see just hung want them to notice that she was inside. So seejust hung up want them to notice that she was inside. So see just hung up the phone and after that i was not getting any response from her. Have you spoken to people from the kibbutz who survived and were not taken . Yes, i have. Other people with their own experiences . Yes. Taken . Yes, i have. Other people with their own experiences . Yes, so m dad with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject to with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject to the same ordeal. His house was not penetrated by terrorist but he was held up for 38 hours before being evacuated to safety. And so was my sister who stayed for 2h hours before being evacuated. Hour sister who stayed for 24 hours before being evacuated. How often are ou before being evacuated. How often are you hearing before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from the before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from the israeli are you hearing from the Israeli Authorities in terms of their own inquiries and trying to find out what has happened to your family . I had not heard from the Israeli Authorities. I had not heard from the Israeli Authorities. Had not heard from the Israeli Authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close to authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close to gaza, l the kibbutz are so close to gaza, either regular Security Drills and how secure was that border on that day, do you know . Itruieiiii how secure was that border on that day. Do you know . Day, do you know . Well we have a conception day, do you know . Well we have a Conception It day, do you know . Well we have a Chelmsford Magistrates Court<\/a> charged with planning her kidnap and murder. And earlier this year, Phillip Schofield<\/a> left the programme after lying about a relationship with a work colleague. On tomorrows this morning. She and the audience didnt know at the time, but this last week was her final appearance. Itv says theyre looking forward to working with her on other programmes in the future. See you tomorrow. Lizo mzimba, bbc news. This programme continues on bbc one. Fresh horrors keep appearing in this disputed land, and the violence is unending, so does anyone know how to get the crisis back under control . Weve been in the south of israel, where fresh evidence of what happened during the hamas incursion still has the power to shock, and weve a report about the onslaught on gaza. Well speak live to the former Prime Minister<\/a>s spokesman about whether they have a viable plan for this war. Also tonight, ill be speaking to a man who believes four of his family are missing, feared taken as hostages by hamas into gaza, after Israeli Soldiers<\/a> have told the bbc about isis style atrocities by hamas in a kibbutz. We ask a former Palestinian Authority<\/a> spokeswoman if the best option is for the pa to take control of gaza from hamas with international support. At labour conference in liverpool, keir starmer today rallied his members for the election, and possibly two terms in power. But theres no magic wand here. A decade of national renewal. Thats what it will take. Well be asking to Shadow Cabinet<\/a> member hilary benn how quickly a Labour Government<\/a> would clear the nhs backlog, build one and a half million homes, and entirely revolutionise the Devolution Settlement<\/a> for the four countries of the uk, and what level of growth would be needed to pay for it all. Good evening from jerusalem. We are still learning important details about the violence unleashed on saturday. This morning, the Israeli Military<\/a> said it had collected 1500 bodies of hamas and islamichhad gunmen who attacked the country. We have also learned about the events on a kibbutz close of the gaza border which indeed seemed to point to a massacre of some sort in the words of the israeli commander down there meanwhile in gaza that the pounding has gone on to such an extent that eyewitnesses describe the aftermath of a recent bombing as resembling an earthquake. The Israeli Defence<\/a> minister has talked about his troops releasing restraints. We start our report tonight from the southern israeli town of sderot. A red warning. 15 seconds to get under cover. Stop the car. Next to that bomb shelter over there. Quickly. Now. Stop. Iron dome missiles raced up to intercept the incoming palestinian rockets. Explosions well, we havent been here long. But were getting a good idea about the constant rockets and defensive fire from the israeli Iron Dome System<\/a> that youd have to live with if you stayed here. And not surprisingly, almost everybody in this community has left. This is sderot, a Frontier Town<\/a> thats long been in rocket range of gaza. But all previous calculations have been overturned by whats just happened. Their Police Station<\/a> was captured and became the scene of a bloody siege with hamas gunmen. Not far away, the kibbutz of kfar azar, where many more bodies of israelis murdered in homes and shelters were uncovered by the army today. It led to accusations about a slaughter of babies, not a charge that the bbcjournalist taken there could verify. We fight for our value, our culture all our life. And, you know, you faught with value and you keep your value in the same time, and i know that we will be very aggressive and very strong, but we keep our moral and our value. We are israeli, we arejewish, and you know, war, its a very difficult thing, a lot of problems, people can stay in the battlefield, they suffer a lot. You can see what happened in here, but we come to kill the enemy, not the civilians in their bed. This is my sons room. In this shaken country, many stories are still emerging from the confusion of saturday. Mihal halev and david abramoff\ufffd s son, laor, was one of those at the ill fated Music Festival<\/a> attacked by hamas. They had assumed he was dead. But testimony from a survivor that they only received yesterday suggested laor had been taken to gaza as a hostage. These people, our son, they went out to party. Theyre young people. There are civilians. They just went out to dance. You see his room . Hes a music lover. Hes like everybody in the world. They went to enjoy and celebrate life. And then they ran. And then in the middle of that with. Just. No one can imagine Something Like<\/a> this happening. And we are asking from everyone in power, everyone that can do something to go and to get those Children Together<\/a> with the babies and the grandmothers and all the captured innocent citizens and civilians. Thats what we are asking. She sobs back in sderot, the army patrols the streets. Half a century of failed peacemaking see israel confronting the greatest losses in its history. In its search to recover control, the National Mood<\/a> seems to be that israeli hostages cannot stop what needs to happen next. At the town hall, all the agencies now co ordinate the response to whats happened and the preparations for whats going to happen. With the mayor suggesting only an invasion of gaza, with the escalation in bloodshed that would involve, will now suffice. All the world say that we need to destroy isis. Why . Because we see that isis was like animals. Hamas now is the new isis of the world. We need to destroy them and we need to go against the evil of iran. This is what we need. This society is still so gripped by the shock of hamass breach of its security that, for the most part, its either oblivious to the suffering of palestinians a few miles away or welcomes it as a form of revenge. Joining me now is the former israeli ambassador to the uk and former Senior Advisor<\/a> to the Prime Minister<\/a> mark regev. He is now back start up with reports in the Israeli Press<\/a> today that egypt were the Israeli Government<\/a> about the mass action that was about to happen . About the mass action that was about to ha en . , about the mass action that was about to hauen . , about the mass action that was about tohauen . ,. To happen . They reported specific information to happen . They reported specific information was to happen . They reported specific information was passed to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, it to happen . They reported specific information was passed on, it was not true and the Prime Minister<\/a> were publicly denied it last night. But in a general sense, where they winning . In a general sense, where they winnin . ,. , winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have happened. Winning . Had we been warned itj wouldnt have happened. But we winning . Had we been warned it wouldnt have happened. But we have had unfortunately is for very difficult days, you could even say horrific days, where israel was cut, had we been mourned we would have beenin had we been mourned we would have been in a much better position. People we have speak to going around the country, they speak of being bewildered, shocked, and that their faith in their own security is gone. How do you rebuild that how rebuild their confidence in the military and Intelligence Service<\/a> and the confidence in the government itself . There is great frustration in israel. And there is anger. This is unprecedented, what we have had. So many people it has ever happened before. Close to 1000 casualties, most of them on saturday. The way it happened brutally as you reported, isis type tactics, just mowing people down and slaughtering the innocent. Those not slaughtered taken back to gaza as hostages and who knows what their baiters. The country is shocked and is right to be shocked but we have to turn this around. I started this war and we will finish it and we will finish it on our terms. Will finish it and we will finish it on our terms. ,. , ~. ,. , on our terms. People talk hamas started this on our terms. People talk hamas started this work. On our terms. People talk hamas started this work. People talk on our terms. People talk hamas started this work. People talk about | started this work. People talk about restoring deterrence and restoring belief in the Israeli Military<\/a>, and thatis belief in the Israeli Military<\/a>, and that is often code for a kind of onslaught on the community in gaza designed to make them acquiesce or come around to israeli terms and we hear today the Israeli Defence<\/a> minister talking about releasing restraint on the soldiers. Are you worried that this could lead to war crimes, accusations may be even indictments . I crimes, accusations may be even indictments . Indictments . I would ask other eole, indictments . I would ask other peeple. Sit indictments . I would ask other peeple. Sit ins indictments . I would ask other people, sit ins of indictments . I would ask other people, sit ins of britain or people, sit ins of britain or any other country, what would you do, if thousands of your people were killed in one day. The Prime Minister<\/a> has compared this to the september 11 attacks in the united states, but actually if you look at the size of the israeli population compared to the israeli population compared to the americans, and the size of the number of people killed, it was worse than september 11. This is an attack on our country, a vicious attack, and we have every right to respond. Those today who are calling for immediate without israel responding isjust ridiculous. They are saying how mass kills your people and you have no right to defend yourself and to counter strike those murderers. It is irrational. Strike those murderers. It is irrational. \ufffd ~. , irrational. But you know there is enormous irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy now irrational. But you know there is enormous sympathy now for irrational. But you know there is i enormous sympathy now for israel because of the kind of tactics, the shock that what has been denied many parts of the world, do you risk squandering that if you pummel the people of gaza in the way that seems to be the tactic now . If people of gaza in the way that seems to be the tactic now . To be the tactic now . If we dont resond to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to ask to be the tactic now . If we dont respond you have to ask what i respond you have to ask what happens. So hamas stay strong and we have an attack like this in another month or two months or another year, what is the point . I would remind you that people are watching, israel has friends but israel also has enemies, hezbollah is watching from lebanon and the iranians are watching from iran. And if israel does not respond with force, i am afraid the lesson will be learnt across this region that you can hit israel with impunity and that is not acceptable. Irate israel with impunity and that is not acce table. ~. ,. ,. ,. , acceptable. We heard from the mayor in sderot today acceptable. We heard from the mayor in sderot today a acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire<\/a> acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire<\/a> from acceptable. We heard from the mayor in Sderot Today A Desire<\/a> from israel i in Sderot Today A Desire<\/a> from israel to go into gaza on the ground and Reoccupy Gaza<\/a> in order to as he put it dismantle how mass and islamic jihad. Is that on the cards with all the casualties on all sides . You will understand the casualties on all sides . You will understand i the casualties on all sides . You will understand i will the casualties on all sides . M1. Will understand i will not go into operational plans for obvious reasons but i can tell you what the goalies. The goal is to come of this with a different reality in gaza, with a different reality in gaza, with a different reality in gaza, with a quick fix that takes you back to square one gets you nothing, we want a serious change and situation in gaza and we want a result where there is not a Terrorist Organisation<\/a> in gaza which has both the desire and the capability to inflict this sort of brutal damage that we have seen over the last four days. In other words we will come out of this with a new reality, a more stable reality where we see the israeli people safer and that had situation stabilised. Situation stabilised. Thank you. Back to you. Situation stabilised. Thank you. Back to you, kirsty. Israel is saying tonight that hamas is holding between 100 and 150 hostages. Theres a possibility that among them are members of the 0r familiy. They come from the kibbutz called beerry a few kilometres from the gaza border. At least 108 people are believed to be confirmed in a moment well speak ah al besorai whose Sister Yonart<\/a> or is missing. So too is her husband dror, and two of her three Children Noam<\/a> who is 15 and alma who is 13. Their older Brother Yalli<\/a> is safe injerusalem. We are joined now live from manila where he lives, yonart\ufffd s brother ah al besorai. Thank you forjoining us leads you to think that your family could be hostages . We to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. , , to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. , ,. , to think that your family could be hostaues . ~. ,. , hostages . We have witnesses that saw them ut hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the house, hostages . We have witnesses that saw them put out of the house, the them put out of the house, the security in the house, and they were pulled out alive and being driven out. So i think the fact they were being pulled out alive and not short on site and kept with many others in the good bits, it gives us this hope that they are, in the same circumstances, captured rather than dead. ~ dead. When was the last time you made contact dead. When was the last time you made contact with dead. When was the last time you made contact with your dead. When was the last time you made contact with your sister dead. When was the last time you made contact with your sister or l made contact with your sister or your brother in law . Was it as all this was unfolding . Your brother in law . Was it as all this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am on saturday this was unfolding . Yes. I think it was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctober seven. Was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctoberseven. She was around 9am on saturday morning, 0ctober seven. She was whispering because there were voices outside and shooting outside and she didnt want them to notice that she was inside. So seejust want them to notice that she was inside. So see just hung want them to notice that she was inside. So seejust hung up want them to notice that she was inside. So see just hung up the phone and after that i was not getting any response from her. Have you spoken to people from the kibbutz who survived and were not taken . Yes, i have. Other people with their own experiences . Yes. Taken . Yes, i have. Other people with their own experiences . Yes, so m dad with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject to with their own experiences . Yes, so my dad who is 89 was subject to the same ordeal. His house was not penetrated by terrorist but he was held up for 38 hours before being evacuated to safety. And so was my sister who stayed for 2h hours before being evacuated. Hour sister who stayed for 24 hours before being evacuated. How often are ou before being evacuated. How often are you hearing before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from the before being evacuated. How often are you hearing from the israeli are you hearing from the Israeli Authorities<\/a> in terms of their own inquiries and trying to find out what has happened to your family . I had not heard from the Israeli Authorities<\/a>. I had not heard from the Israeli Authorities<\/a>. Had not heard from the Israeli Authorities<\/a>. I wonder especially as the kibbutz authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close to authorities. I wonder especially as the kibbutz are so close to gaza, l the kibbutz are so close to gaza, either regular Security Drills<\/a> and how secure was that border on that day, do you know . Itruieiiii how secure was that border on that day. Do you know . Day, do you know . Well we have a conception day, do you know . Well we have a Conception It<\/a> day, do you know . Well we have a Conception It<\/a> was day, do you know . Well we have a Conception It<\/a> was an day, do you know . Well we have a Conception It<\/a> was an impregnable l Conception It<\/a> was an impregnable border but i think this proved to be totally wrong. \ufb01nd border but i think this proved to be totally wrong totally wrong. And ust briefly, hamas has h totally wrong. And ust briefly, hamas has said totally wrong. And just briefly, hamas has said they totally wrong. And just briefly, hamas has said they were totally wrong. And just briefly, j hamas has said they were hold hostages until the end of the war and then bargain. Is there a chance you might find out more about whether they have been taken to gaza soon . ,. , , whether they have been taken to gaza soon . ,. , soon . This is really why am i here, ust to soon . This is really why am i here, just to increase soon . This is really why am i here, just to increase awareness soon . This is really why am i here, just to increase awareness of soon . This is really why am i here, just to increase awareness of their| just to increase awareness of their plight and because at the moment they are reported missing so it not seen any evidence that they are there and we are looking at all these horrendous videos and did not manage to see any sign of them. So thatis manage to see any sign of them. So that is partly why im here, to try to find out what is their fate. We wish ou to find out what is their fate. We wish you and your family well. While the focus, for now, in israel is, of couirse, the safety and security of the countrys citizens, and the safe return of the hostages, longer term, questions remain over how this intelligence and military failure could happen on the watch of a man who said he wanted Rock Solid Security Arrangements<\/a> on the ground. Howeverjust last month, dozens of former Israeli Security<\/a> commanders from the mossad, the domestic security agency, the military, and the police warned that the policies of Prime Minister<\/a> netanyahus far right government are the biggest threat yet to the counry\ufffd s future. Threat yet to the countrys future. So could the enormity of the horror being faced in the middle east prove to be a catalyst for political change in israel and in the Palestinian Territorities<\/a> . Earlier this evening, i spoke to tzipi livni, israels formerjustice and foreign minister and leader of the opposition. I started by asking for her response to reports that Israeli Soldiers<\/a> have told the bbc of an isis style atrocity by hamas in the kibbutz of kfar azar. We are speechless. Its the First Time Since<\/a> the creation of the state of israel that we are facing Something Like<\/a> this within israel. This cruelty. Its the face of evil. But for the first time, its to see something that is a nightmare. I mean, to women, to children, to babies. So you are politically opposed to benjamin netanyahu, but do you believe him when he says he wants a National Unity<\/a> government . Its not about whether to believe netanyahu or not. Theres a need for more experienced people in the Israeli Security<\/a> cabinet, regardless to their political affiliation and regardless to the political structure of this government. And i hope that this will happen. Do you, are you convinced that sealing gaza off from the outside world is the best option . We tried everything, in 2005, i supported, i voted for the disengagement from gaza. I decided to dismantle settlements, to uproot people that lived in gaza, settlers, to pull out these, to pull out Israeli Forces<\/a> from gaza strip, hoping that this would bring home that this would bring hope for palestinians and for israelis. We were speaking about green houses in gaza strip. And what we got in return is a green flag of hamas with religious ideology. They dont represent the rights of palestinians, the cause of palestinians, freedom for palestinians. You know, after these days, since saturday, i think its clear that hamas is an obstacle to peace. They dont represent something which is legitimate, just the face of evil. So there have been 900 at least palestinians killed in gaza since the weekend. Is this not going to lead to more and more and more retribution, disaffection . There is no direct or indirect understanding or legitimacy to what was done by hamas to israelis, to human beings in israel in the last few days. No excuse for this. And another thing that i would like also to reiterate, people are speaking about casualties, both sides. And its true that sometimes there are casualties, both sides. But how can you compare somebody, or this group that enters into villages, into houses, into shelters, killing people, killing babies, and on the other hand, a country, a democratic country that tries to defend its citizens . Is this so appalling that actually it might be a catalyst for yet another effort at peace in the middle east . The most notable efforts recently were obviously George Mitchell<\/a> when he was the middle east peace envoy for america. Is there another George Mitchell<\/a> style figure that can come in and try and sort this . The idea is to reach a peace between the pragmatics on both sides, and there are those that are representing the conflict, and there is a conflict between israel and the palestinian a national conflict. And National Conflicts<\/a> are solvable. I mean, theres a need for compromises on both sides. But what hamas represent, do they represent the palestinian cause . No, they are not for the establishment of a palestinian state. They are against the existence of israel. When hamas is stronger, the moderates or the pragmatics are much weaker, and they cannot also make the decisions and compromises that are needed. Unadulterated evil was how the us president Tonight Decribed The Hamas<\/a> attack which has killed more than a thousand israelis, including the massacre of babies children and adults, some of them, acording to Israeli Soldiers<\/a> speaking to the bbc, beheaded in the kfar aza kibbutz. While in gaza, more than 900 people are now known to have been killed, as israels bombardment\ufffd s continued for a fourth day. A bbc reporter there says its the worst bombing hes seen in 20 years, with neighbourhoods flattened. Heres emir with todays events. An aerial onslaught from the Skies Above Gaza<\/a> tonight, as Israeli Forces<\/a> launched hundreds of air strikes in retaliation to the horrific atrocities committed by hamas. The commercial and residential areas in the centre of gaza city bombarded. According to the un, almost 190,000 residents have been displaced by the fighting, with more expected in the coming days. So, gaza is an extremely densely populated territory, 2. 2 million people. More than half of them are children. And we were ready to receive a certain number and we were ready to provide these food and non Food Supplies<\/a> for a duration of two weeks, but again, because of the excessive number of displaced people in our schools, we fear that whatever we have will not last the two weeks. Israel has put gaza under siege, cutting off food, power and water as part of what the Israeli Government<\/a> have called a merciless response. They say they are warning residents before they strike, but many have nowhere to go. People are huddled on the streets or sheltering in schools. The World Health Organization<\/a> says hospitals have run out of supplies. The last few days were catastrophic in the Emergency Room<\/a> and in the operating room. We have seen many people, we have seen many women and we have seen many children, we have seen many old men are injured or operated in these few days, in these last few days. We have faced amputated patients, they have lost their limbs, they have lost their eyes. And a lot of people have lost their lives. But the whole source for the electricity in the hospital is the generator. And this siege, theres no fuel comes from outside to gaza strip, so we have limited amount of fuel, and that will end in a few days if there is no support came to the hospital. Ahead of an expected ground assault, israeli tanks have been massing at the border. President biden said tonight israel has a duty to respond and america would make sure that they have what it takes to defend itself. Tomorrow, Foreign Ministers<\/a> from the arab world will meet to discuss ways to stop israels bombardment, while the un is calling for both sides to spare civilians and Doctors Without Borders<\/a> say that collective punishment of gazans is notjustifiable, as they look to another nights sky lit up with airstrikes from above. And we have reports tonight that more hamas militants are crossing the border into israel and we will bring you more if we hear that. Im joined now from ramallah by nour 0deh, a former spokeswoman for the Palestinian Authority<\/a>. First is before itself hamas militants crossing again into israel, what to make of that . I have not seen as israel, what to make of that . I have not seen as reports israel, what to make of that . I have not seen as reports so i israel, what to make of that . I have not seen as reports so i dont israel, what to make of that . I have not seen as reports so i dont knowl not seen as reports so i dont know what to make of. There have been a lot of false flag reports and a lot of incidents of shooting that ends up of incidents of shooting that ends up reported as friendly fire. So i think it would be wise to wait and get more information. Lets think it would be wise to wait and get more information. Get more information. Lets talk about been get more information. Lets talk about been happening get more information. Lets talk about been happening in get more information. Lets talk about been happening in gaza. L about been happening in gaza. Doctors without borders apparently unable to reach their teams in gaza. How difficult is the situation tonight . Because there are munitions falling. The tonight . Because there are munitions fallina. ,. ,. ,. , falling. The situation tonight is extremely falling. The situation tonight is extremely difficult. Falling. The situation tonight is extremely difficult. You falling. The situation tonight is extremely difficult. You have l falling. The situation tonight is l extremely difficult. You have an entire neighbourhood being flattened as we speak. North west of gaza city. The name of the neighbourhood by the way means dignity in just one more dimension of irony in this tragic situation. And to the south as well communities are being pounded by artillery, people are being told to leave but im not sure how they can leave and where to. The roads have been pummelled and transportation is extremely difficult and also the bombing has happened pretty much everywhere in gaza. There literally is no place thatis gaza. There literally is no place that is safe over there. In gaza. There literally is no place that is safe over there. That is safe over there. In the beginning that is safe over there. In the beginning i that is safe over there. In the beginning i talked that is safe over there. In the beginning i talked about that is safe over there. In the i beginning i talked about Doctors Without Borders<\/a> not able to reach their teams but what to know about any functioning hospital or medical centre . I any functioning hospital or medical centre . ,. ,. , centre . I mean there are several Hositals Centre<\/a> . I mean there are several hospitals that centre . I mean there are several hospitals that have centre . I mean there are several hospitals that have been centre . I mean there are several hospitals that have been put centre . I mean there are several hospitals that have been put out| centre . I mean there are several. Hospitals that have been put out of commission from the bombing. I know the Palestinian Red Crescent<\/a> centre in the north was evacuated today, i think it was the last medical centre still standing. And a hospital which is the Largest Health<\/a> compound in the gaza strip in gaza city is still functioning but you know without the provision of medical supplies and fuel, there are serious concerns about the ability of doctors there to continue providing aid. Already they are overwhelmed by the influx of serious injuries from across the enclave. And without more provisions and more assistance i fear we will look at a complete breakdown. \ufb01nd i look at a complete breakdown. And i want to talk look at a complete breakdown. And i want to talk about look at a complete breakdown. And i want to talk about that in look at a complete breakdown. And i want to talk about that in the moment but first tonight the president said hamas is using Palestinian People<\/a> as Human Shields<\/a> allegedly storing weapons in schools and hospitals. Hamas have no shame at all, about what they are inflicting on palestinians . Itruieiiii at all, about what they are inflicting on palestinians . Well you to set allegedly inflicting on palestinians . Well you to set allegedly so inflicting on palestinians . Well you to set allegedly so you inflicting on palestinians . Well you to set allegedly so you know, to set allegedly so you know, Passing Judgment<\/a> on allegations is not usually wise. And also it is difficult to not remember that those who are raining down thousands of kilos of explosives on gaza are the israelis and not hamas. There is a wider context here that we cannot ignore. This is not about good guys and bad guys and good and evil, that is an oversimplification that is unfair to everyone that are suffering right now. But unfair to everyone that are suffering right now. Unfair to everyone that are sufferin riaht now. \ufffd. , suffering right now. But hamas went to a rave in suffering right now. But hamas went to a rave in the suffering right now. But hamas went to a rave in the desert suffering right now. But hamas went to a rave in the desert and suffering right now. But hamas went to a rave in the desert and killed to a rave in the desert and killed at least 260 young people. \ufb01nd at least 260 young people. And israel has already at least 260 young people. Mr. Israel has already killed. That at least 260 young people. Aic israel has already killed. That is an atrocity. And israel has already killed 260 children under 18 in gaza in the past four days and has bombed un shelters in the past in gaza and lebanon. There is of atrocities committed on the list of civilians killed in this conflict is endless. The arab league is meeting tomorrow and they say they want to stop the israeli bombardment but do you fear if gaza as you seem to suggest is ungovernable, then it is open to a wider conflict. You will have regional players coming in as well. How destabilising would that be not just for what is happening in gaza but also elsewhere in the west bank and other areas in the middle east . I was listening to your conversation and i thought it was very rich for someone like her to be speaking about palestinian aspirations. She was part of a government that made sure not to coordinate the israeli exit from gaza with the Palestinian Authority<\/a>. It made sure that the exit of israel from gaza was viewed as a victory not for diplomacy or negotiation but rather for armed resistance. And then you have netanyahu, who has told his allies in the likud party repeatedly as reported in the israel media that having hamas government gaza is in the interest of israel because if you want to crush palestinian aspirations for statehood you need to keep the palestinians divided. This division has been supported and bolstered by an israeli agenda that first and foremost doesnt want to end this reality of occupation, that is more invested in controlling palestinians against their will than in actually reaching a resolution to the conflict. In actually reaching a resolution to the conflict the conflict. Thank you very much for oininr the conflict. Thank you very much forjoining us the conflict. Thank you very much forjoining us this the conflict. Thank you very much forjoining us this evening. The conflagration in the middle east was, i imagine, at the forefront of peoples minds today at the Labour Party Conference<\/a>. In the opening minutes of his speech, keir starmer said he utterly condemned the senseless murder of Men Women And Children<\/a> including british citizens In Cold Blood<\/a> by the terrorists of hamas. And not entirely unrelated he insisted, weve dragged this party back into service no longer a party of protest, a party of service. This was his first speech as leader of the opposition heading into a general election and, like the Shadow Chancellor<\/a> before him, the message was enonomic growth, hand in hand with a promise to clear the nhs backlong, to build one and a half million new homes and create new towns, but he was short on timescale. Also, leaning on Gordon Browns<\/a> commission of the future of the uk in pursuit of cementing the union, he talked about scotland leading the way to a Labour Government<\/a>, adding, we must earn every vote but again no timescale for the much vaunted elected Second Chamber<\/a> in place of the lords. Heres nick with his analysis. True democracy is citizen led. Politics needs an update. A defining moment for any leader. This time ambushed by a protester demanding electoral reform. Let people decide and little time to respond. Thank you, conference. If he thinks that bothers me, he does not know me. Without missing a beat, taking his chance to deliver the core message. Protest or power, thats why we changed our party, conference. Thats why we changed our party. And now a leader with high ambitions. If you think ourjob in 1997 was to rebuild a crumbling public realm, that in 1964, it was to modernise an economy left behind by the pace of technology, that in 1945 to build a new britain out of the trauma of collective sacrifice, then in 2024, it will have to be all three. All three. And so a mission for government with a pledge to bulldoze through Barriers Holding<\/a> people back and blocking economic development. A tough message about Public Service<\/a> reform. Dont expect a chequebook state. And then making clear that an active state should tread lightly on peoples lives. A reference to a wb yeats poem, a favourite. What is ruined can be rebuilt. A united party applauding their leader with multiple standing ovations. A plan to turn the page and say in a cry of defiance to all those who now write our country off, britain must, britain can, britain will get its future back. Thank you, conference. Thank you. A Fighting Speech<\/a> from keir, a determined speech from keir. Were going to fight this election on the economy and fight it to rebuild our Public Service<\/a>s. Pretty ambitious. He says hes got to be blair, wilson and attlee all in one. If anyone can do it, keir can. I mean, that was the speech of his life. But for my money, it was the speech of our lives. I dont remember ever hearing a speech so inspiring. The emotional moments, the high points, the reminder of what this country has gone through. And praise from some labour giants. I thought it was great. And i thought it was Prime Minister<\/a>ial. You know, he identified the problems that we all know were facing. He showed hed thought about them. He put forward ideas about what we can do. But most of all, he stressed that its not going to be easy. I mean, he told people the hard truths. I think hes a winner. What matters is whether the british people make him so. My assessment of the speech is that it was both the hardest and the best Leader Speech<\/a> ive heard in 20 years. I mean hardest, because keir faced a basinload of scepticism about him. What did he believe in . Hes got no idea. Doesnt stand for anything. All the usual stuff. Why best . Best, i think because he showed a combination of passion, of conviction, but also a plan for taking our country forward. Theres a good chance this will be keir starmer\ufffd s last Conference Speech<\/a> before the general election, and so he needed to fire up his troops. Well, he certainly did that, but he also needed to speak to the country, reassure voters that its safe to vote labour, but also offer them a positive vision to encourage them to vote labour. In there, his allies think he passed both of those tests. Soon time to move on from their Merseyside Gathering<\/a> and a Quickening Pace<\/a> as the encounter with the electorate looms. Hilary benn, shadow secretary of state for northern ireland, joins me now from the Labour Party Conference<\/a> in liverpool. Thank you very much. We will come onto a keir starmer\ufffd s speech and just a second but first i want to pick up on his bbc reporting tonight that Israeli Soldiers<\/a> are telling the bbc of an isis style atrocity in a good bits, possible beheadings. What should the International Response<\/a> be to that . What should the International Response<\/a> be to that . What was re orted response be to that . What was reported by response be to that . What was reported by jeremy response be to that . What was reported by jeremy bowen response be to that . What was. Reported by jeremy bowen today response be to that . What was reported by jeremy bowen today is reported Byjeremy Bowen<\/a> today is unspeakable. How anyone can go into those communities, Attack Defenceless<\/a> families, kill mothers, fathers, children and babies and behead some of them, is beyond understanding. I havejust come behead some of them, is beyond understanding. I have just come this evening from the Labour Friends Of Israel<\/a> event that was almost absolutely packed as we held a minutes silence and the solidarity with the people of israel, their right to defend themselves from this sort of atrocity, the attack that they had been under, is unshakeable. And ijust simply do not understand what those who have committed this atrocity is a think they are doing. Lets turn out to keir starmer\ufffd s speech. The promise of the obliteration of nhs waiting lists. New towns. 0ne Obliteration<\/a> of nhs waiting lists. New towns. 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