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BBCNEWS Newsnight July 3, 2024

Citizens were killed. A further ten are missing, some of whom are feared to be among the dead. We must support absolutely israels right to defend itself. This must be done in line with International Humanitarian law. This programme continues on bbc one. Frantic diplomacy continues, as the world waits for the expected Ground Operation by israel troops to begin in gaza in response to the hamas massacre. The humanitarian crisis in the gaza strip is becoming desparate, as more than a Million People leave their homes and many more men, women and children are killed. Tonight. When will the Border Crossing from Gaza To Egypt be opened, to let people out and humanitarian aid in . The un warns the Health System in gaza is collapsing before our very eyes. Iamjust i am just two kilometres from gaza and most of the city has been evacuated ahead of israels expected a ground offensive. Last week, one israeli mother told us about the kidnapping of her son by hamas from that Music Festival. Michal had hope that 20 year old laor was still alive. Now shes received the devastating news that he has been killed by hamas. And she has this message. He was murdered by these monsters and still, i want to ask, i dont want any vengeance. I want no vengeance in my name. Plus one man who wont leave the north of gaza a british palestinian surgeon. He says 40 of those he is treating are children, for burns, blast and crush injuries. The surgical capacity of the hospital was unable to deal with the sheer number of wounded, now 9,000 wounded in ten days. Which means that there are hundreds of patients who need surgery, and have not had their surgery yet. And israeli historian Yuval Noah Harari on an horrific week. I hope that israel will emerge from this catastrophe more united, stronger, with a very, very different leadership, and a very different world view. A tide of humanity is moving from Northern Gaza to the south, as more than 2 million palestinians in the gaza strip prepare for an expected ground offensive by israeli troops. There are frantic diplomatic talks, firstly to ease what israeli officials have called the siege of gaza, where theres a deepening humanitarian crisis clean water is running out, as are Food Supplies and also to try to prevent this conflict spreading across the region. The us Secretary Of State is still in the region, having postponed going back to the us tonight, and President Biden appears to be weighing up an invitation to visit israel. Meanwhile, the Israeli Military says it now knows the identities of 199 people including children and the elderly who were taken hostage by hamas in gaza. It says their families have been informed and there is growing anger and frustration among some at a lack of any progress over their fate. Meanwhile, Prime Minister rishi sunak has confirmed six british people were killed in the hamas attack and ten more are missing, including two teenage sisters. From sderot in southern israel, heres emir. Homes are empty. And shops are closed. On every corner a bomb shelter. But the illusion of security has gone from these streets. Its been ten days since hamas fighters reached sderot. Surging in byjeep, shattering the morning quiet. Taking dozens of lives, civilians and police with them. The last hamas fighter was found holed up here only midweek. The scars of the attack still visible. And here, the rubble of the Police Station that became their impromptu base. Since the attack began, 75 rocks have hit this town, and nearby more struck today. 75 75 rockets. We are less than two miles from gaza, here in sderot. The roads are mostly deserted and its residents have been asked to leave while the army prepares for its grounds offensive. The residents we have spoken to have said that it is not they arent scared to stay, but they cant contemplate leaving their homes, despite the occasional rocket that still hits, and the sound of outgoing artillery fire, rattling windows, and it is difficult to imagine the scenes where those rockets land so close to here. Translation before we were afraid, but now its a completely different type of fear. It has given me huge anxiety. If this time it isnt overfor good im not just leaving sderot, im leaving israel. Most of sderot� s 30,000 residents have left. For those who stay, food, water, baby wipes are being handed out by this community group. Many people from gaza would come to sderot and work. We have heard of ten of thousands who would come here. Translation ive had gazan workmen at my house and i also have a neighbourfrom gaza. From gaza . Yes, some of his family live there and some of his family live here. Do you know where they are now, do you think of them . Translation to be honest, i i feel pain for all of the families, for those who had to leave and move to the south of gaza. It is not up to them. Hamas controls them. If hamas didnt control them, then they would be safe. They are not safe on their side because of hamas, and we are also not safe because of hamas, but the reasons are different. They want to use them as human shields, and us they want to slaughter. It is not fighter against fighter, it is women and children they kill. Streets quiet in sderot, but a few miles from here, there are streets that no longer exist. Concrete boulders lifted from a babys body. Israeli airstrikes have killed 254 palestinians in the past 2a hours, the local authorities announced monday evening. Over 2,700 gazans have been killed since israels Campaign Began roughly a third of them are children. It is becoming increasingly difficult to reach people in gaza by video call, but this woman managed to send us this. I am currently in the city in my grandparents� house. We have about four other families from our relatives living with us. We only have three bottles of water left, drinking water, and we dont have any Running Water at the moment, in our sinks. We are sleeping on the floor. There is no electricity and there is no internet. The reception of the phones is very bad as well. The palestinians obviously want and need we are in desperate need for aid at the moment, to come through the riverjordan, through the rafah border. But what we need more, is for this aggression and this genocide and these massacres to stop, and then we can think about aid, because what is the point of Water Running in my sink and me washing my face if i am going to be dead and killed a few minutes after that. Back in sderot we find an Israeli Government spokesperson, and asked him about their campaign in gaza. We told the people where it would be, the war, we told the people where we know the hamas people are. The problem is i am pretty sure that hamas went with these people. The one of the reasons that the borders are closed is also because we dont want our hostages to be taken away from the gaza strip. But if we say that hamas is always with civilians and they go with them, then there is no safe space for a civilian in gaza. No, there will be safe spaces. But how, if we always say there is hamas among the civilians. Because i hope that hamas will care for their own civilians. Even that i say they are not logical and not rational, at the end of the day, if they want to rule they need people to rule. It does paint a very dire picture to be a civilian in gaza. It feels like what we are learning from this conversation is that there is nowhere safe in gaza for a civilian. And was there a place safe here in the region on saturday morning . Let us take one step back, and let us think who is behind hamas. Iran. The goal of iran is to have chaoses in the region, in order to be the one who is the leader of the region. There is no public proof that iran played a role in co ordinating the hamas attack, but it is an assertion that israel is keen to repeat. Widening this war from an internal one, to a geopolitical conflict. After we left israel, we have gone now to, i think have i lost track, but to six countries in the region jordan, bahrain, qatar, the united arab emirates. Saudi arabia, now here in egypt. And the purpose of seeing all of our partners was first and foremost to listen to them, to hear how they are seeing this crisis, and to look at what we can do together, to deal with many of the concerns its raised. The us is urging calm, but today, the iranian government said the time for Political Solutions is running out, and war on other fronts is becoming inevitable. Textbook fiery threats from iran, but they know carry a new sharpness as its proxy hezbollah continues to launch sporadic rockets into israel. Yet what future there can be for relationships between neighbours is not a regional or a political question here, but a personal one. How can you imagine the relationship with the gazans who you knew before, who would come over, how do you imagine that relationship to be in the future . Translation i want and dream l of what we had in the past, a place where we were living together. Do you think that is possible, ever, now . No, i dont think so. And that report was produced Byjasmin Dyer and filmed byjon hughes. Us Secretary Of State Antony Blinken has been back in tel aviv today after a three day round of diplomacy, trying to prevent the crisis engulfing the region. Lets speak to the former British Ambassador to afghanistan, saudi arabia, iraq and sudan, sir william patey, and non resident scholar at the Middle East Institute hafsa halawa. Good evening and thank you for talking to our audience. There would appear to be a number of countries who really want to help de escalate this. Who really want to help deescalate this. ,. , this. For sure, particularly countries this. For sure, particularly countries like this. For sure, particularly countries like saudi this. For sure, particularlyl countries like saudi arabia, this. For sure, particularly countries like saudi arabia, egypt and jordan. They stand to lose the most from escalation of the crisis. Even iran, i think, the saudis have been talking to iran, and crown Prince Mohammed elsa man was only a phone call with the president because, in recent days and months, the saudis have been engaged in some sort of rapprochement with iran. They want to reduce the tensions even before this horrific hamas attack on israel. They can see the possibility of this getting out of control, if hezbollah increases its Rocket Attacks or carry out their promise to attack israel more seriously if a Land Invasion of gaza takes place, which seems likely, then the prospect of escalation is very, very real, and the prospect of a wider middle east war with iran attacking ships in the straights of hormuz all in prospect. Nobody in the released want to see that. Mit . The released want to see that. Why wont egypt the released want to see that. Why wont egypt open the released want to see that. Why wont egypt open the rafah crossing to let some people out and let humanitarian aid in . Whats going on . I humanitarian aid in . Whats going on . ,. ,. , ,. , on . I mean, arguably, from the eu tian on . I mean, arguably, from the egyptian side. On . I mean, arguably, from the egyptian side, they on . I mean, arguably, from the egyptian side, they say, on . I mean, arguably, from the egyptian side, they say, its on . I mean, arguably, from the egyptian side, they say, its notj on . I mean, arguably, from the i egyptian side, they say, its not on us. Egyptian side, they say, its not on us we egyptian side, they say, its not on us. We agreed when Secretary Of State us. We agreed when Secretary Of State blinken was in cairo, and they have two State Blinken was in cairo, and they have two major concerns, one is a boundary have two major concerns, one is a boundary and security concern, and the board boundary and security concern, and the board has been shelled for the fourth the board has been shelled for the fourth time today since the Bombardment Today and there are questions Bombardment Today and there are questions about the ability to safety questions about the ability to safely move goods into the gaza side of that safely move goods into the gaza side of that border and also to move nationats of that border and also to move nationals out. The second is the big question nationals out. The second is the big question about mass displacement. The egyptians, the good aliens, qataris. The egyptians, the good aliens, qataris, turks and others have been defiant qataris, turks and others have been defiant in qataris, turks and others have been defiant in saying they will not accept defiant in saying they will not accept or defiant in saying they will not accept or tolerate any suggestion or attempt accept or tolerate any suggestion or attempt to accept or tolerate any suggestion or attempt to move palestinians in Gaza En Masse attempt to move palestinians in Gaza En Masse into the sinai peninsula. The en masse into the sinai peninsula. The egyptians, the jordanians. Later the egyptians, the jordanians. Later statement is the israelis themselves the blocking partner in this trilateral negotiations going on. ~. ,. ,. ,. , this trilateral negotiations going on. What would happen have to ha en on. What would happen have to happen to on. What would happen have to happen to prompt on. What would happen have to happen to prompt lebanon on. What would happen have to happen to prompt lebanon to on. What would happen have to happen to prompt lebanon to get| happen to prompt lebanon to get involved, to prompt iran to get involved . Because that is not leaden getting involved, it is hezbollah, and hezbollah control that part of lebanon. I think the mass displacement of people in gaza a Land Invasion into gaza, which looks likely, we are already seeing Rocket Exchanges between hezbollah in Southern Lebanon and israel northern lebanon. Israelis in your report, they are evacuating northern areas, so they are anticipating an escalation in the fighting. If hezbollah dont attack as a result of a Land Invasion, they will appear to have been bluffing. fir of a Land Invasion, they will appear to have been bluffing. To have been bluffing. Or they will look weak to have been bluffing. Or they will look weak. Very to have been bluffing. Or they will look weak. Very weak, to have been bluffing. Or they will look weak. Very weak, and to have been bluffing. Or they will look weak. Very weak, and iran i to have been bluffing. Or they will. Look weak. Very weak, and iran will want to appear look weak. Very weak, and iran will want to appear as look weak. Very weak, and iran will want to appear as the look weak. Very weak, and iran will want to appear as the protector look weak. Very weak, and iran will want to appear as the protector of i want to appear as the protector of the palestinians. They also desperate often tried to present themselves like that. Thats a factor in the psychology of this. You were in the region during previous violence. How is this different . It previous violence. How is this different . Previous violence. How is this different . ,. , different . It feels so much bigger. The scale, different . It feels so much bigger. The scale. Not different . It feels so much bigger. The scale, notjust different . It feels so much bigger. The scale, notjust of different . It feels so much bigger. The scale, notjust of the different . It feels so much bigger. The scale, notjust of the violence| the scale, not just of the violence that weve the scale, not just of the violence that weve seen, the attack, an unprecedented moment but weve never seen in unprecedented moment but weve never seen in the unprecedented moment but weve never seen in the 56 years of occupation, as well seen in the 56 years of occupation, as well as seen in the 56 years of occupation, as well as the scale of the bombardment from israel in the last eiht bombardment from israel in the last eight or bombardment from israel in the last eight or nine days as everybody in the region eight or nine days as everybody in the region really quite fearful. Ive the region really quite fearful. Ive never the region really quite fearful. Ive never really felt it in such a way ive never really felt it in such a way on ive never really felt it in such a way on a ive never really felt it in such a way on a social level. Events have been way on a social level. Events have been cancelled, all kind of cultural events, been cancelled, all kind of cultural events, state events across the region events, state events across the region are events, state events across the region are being cancelled. Social media region are being cancelled. Social media is region are being cancelled. Social media is flooded. People are not going media is flooded. People are not going out, media is flooded. People are not going out, they are glued to their phones going out, they are glued to their phones and the television. There really phones and the television. There really is phones and the television. There really is a phones and the television. There really is a palpable sense of trepidation of what could possibly come. Trepidation of what could possibly come. As trepidation of what could possibly come, as this escalates, notjust in the form come, as this escalates, notjust in the form of come, as this escalates, notjust in the form of a come, as this escalates, notjust in the form of a Ground Invasion but relaying the form of a Ground Invasion but relaying att the form of a Ground Invasion but relaying all the statements and hear on arattic relaying all t

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