And how can our politicians play their part . With us now to talk about what might come next is Immigration Minister robert jenrick. After labours Big By Election wins, lisa nandy could soon be representing you All Over The World the Shadow InternationalDevelopment Minister joins me from salford. As the un calls conditions inside gaza catastrophic, well speak to dr Hanan Ashrawi a woman who has spent decades at the heart of palestinian politics. And well speak to israels former Prime MinisterNaftali Bennett. Good morning. You might have seen that we were going to speak to israeli president isaac herzog. He has had to postpone, but we hope hell be with us on a future programme. In the meantime, welcome to my panel. Jasmine el gamal, a middle east expert who advised the obama administration, also best selling historian and tv presenter simon sebag montefiore, and lucy fisher, the Financial TimesWhitehall Editor and host of its Political Fix podcast. Lets have a lok at some of the front pages of the newspapers this morning. A lot of them reflect on the death of football legend sir bobby charlton, who died yesterday at the age of 86. Others focus too on the conflict between israel and hamas. The Mail On Sunday says, israel we will strike the head of the snake iran. The observer says, us Holding Israel back from strike against hezbollah. That is in lebanon. The sunday times goes with, hamas chief lives in a Council House he bought in barnet. And finally, the Sunday Telegraph says, us tells Sunak Ban The Iranian terror guard. Welcome to the programme. Jasmine, how do you assess where we are with this conflict today . Two how do you assess where we are with this conflict today . This conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, this conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, we this conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, we are this conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, we are at this conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, we are at a this conflict today . Two weeks into the conflict, we are at a critical the conflict, we are at a critical juncture, both when it comes to the humanitarian situation and the military situation. Obviously the humanitarian crisis is growing worse by the second, over 4000 palestinians killed so far. Against that backdrop, the Israeli Military is preparing for a ground invasion, over 300,000 troops have been mobilised and the israelis say they plan on going in and dismantling and destroying hamas. At the same time, in the west bank, just in gaza, settler violence against palestinian residents has been increasing as the Interior Ministry Of Israel has armed the settlers with assault weapons. Calling them a Civil Defence force of sorts. 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The wider conundrum for israel is how to do this respecting civilians and yet at the same respecting civilians and yet at the same time respecting civilians and yet at the same time deterring hezbollah in the north, same time deterring hezbollah in the north, as same time deterring hezbollah in the north, asjasmine says. The bigger picture. North, asjasmine says. The bigger picture, they must be able in the future picture, they must be able in the future to picture, they must be able in the future to talk to their arab friends in the future to talk to their arab friends in the moderate arab world, that is the future in the moderate arab world, that is the future of the middle east. They have to the future of the middle east. They have to deter iran and they have to open have to deter iran and they have to open a have to deter iran and they have to open a dialogue with the Palestinian Authority open a dialogue with the Palestinian Authority. In the near future. They mustnt authority. 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