Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20240702 : vimarsana.com

Transcripts For BBCNEWS Newsnight 20240702

The un says its Aid Operations in gaza will start winding down tomorrow for lack of fuel. So what happens after that . Israels Prime Minister says a Ground Assault will come, but meanwhile, the brinkmanship over letting in aid versus letting out hostages carries on. We are now reducing the fuel we are using every day so we can keep the most Critical Services running for as long as possible but it is going to mean that people dont have access to drinking water. Well be talking to people who know about humanitarian operations in gaza about what happens next and whether the United Nations is taking a side. And well explore the splits in labour caused by keir starmer� s statements, which hes now caveated, on israels right to blockade gaza. Also tonight, is there trouble ahead forjoe biden from within his party . Listen, there are two peoples here, palestinians and israelis. We need to show care and solidarity with the Palestinian People and these civilians who are being killed every day in the hundreds. And i think that its a reflection of the growing constituency, a growing movement within the Democratic Party. And as Bletchley Park prepares to host next weeks global conference on the future of Artificial Intelligence, well hear new warnings that relations with our Silicon Friends might not be the harmonious collaboration theyre sometimes sold as. Good evening. Restriction to the fuel supply in gaza has become a central issue this evening. The un agency that runs Aid Operations said that unless more was allowed in, it would have to start cutting back its operations tomorrow. No fuel tankers have been allowed in from egypt today so the situations looking bleak for Hospital Generators and Desalination Plants too. Israel has argued that hamas is hoarding fuel stocks. Whats beyond dispute is that conditions in gaza are deteriorating and arguments continue over the use of the Rafah Crossing with egypt. Israel has so far vetoed Fuel Deliveries. Hamas, proscribed in this country as a terrorist group, has stopped hundreds of foreign Passport Holders, mainly palestinian dual nationals, from leaving. And then theres the 220 hostages taken from israel as well, by hamas, with suggestions that their freedom is being bargained forfuel and other supplies. Emir is in tel aviv. Hejoint is now. Tonight Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu took to television to give his latest statement, saying the Israeli Government is doing all they can to secure the release of hostages and he also said the preparations for the ground offensive are continuing but would not be drawn on when. One issue he did not raise is the question of the Fuel Deliveries into gaza, where we know obviously that is one of the sharpest issues, the question of fuel entering the gaza strip, where electricity is running out. We have heard from the United Nations today that they have issued one of their starkest warnings, saying that within 2a and was they will have to make serious decisions about which operations to cease and which to significantly scale back, and we know there are around 600,000 People Sheltering In Those Un Facilities in the gaza strip and one issue the lack of electricity is causing is it is making it much harder to reach people on the ground and to get that testimony. We spent much of the day trying to do so and got through one young woman, a 22 year old called salma who managed to send us a member of Video Messages which form part of our report from the event today you can watch. Hello, everyone. Iam salma. Im a gaza citizen. Im 22 years old, dental student. Im in my graduation year, actually, but unfortunately i dont think ill be able to finish that because my university is completely shattered. I think im stuck here. Salma lives in central gaza. The israeli army told its residents to evacuate, but she says the conditions elsewhere were so dire that her family returned home. But even there, its become desperate. Heres our water for the kitchen. And it doesnt work. Itjust drops a few drops. We cant clean this now. And its the night and i cant see anything. And im very, very scared of the darkness. Hopefully this night. Rumbling overhead. Oh, my god. You can hear now. Explosion. Oh, my god. Today in gaza, the bombs continue. The hamas controlled Health Authorities state that over 6500 have died since the war broke out, more than 750 alone since yesterday. And the few dozen trucks of aid that have entered are being called a drop in the ocean by aid charities. Were less than two kilometres from gaza. Just beyond that tree line there, its the 19th day with no Fuel Deliveries allowed in. The energy is running out. Already bakeries are closing and a third of hospitals arent operating because of damage and a lack of electricity, according to the un. More looks set to shutter. But as it continues to impose its tight blockade on the gaza strip, it seems israel will allow medical equipment, ovens and the lights themselves to go dark. This is my neighbourhood. Its completely dark because theres no electricity in the whole neighbourhood. This is ourfridge, as i said. The night is becoming very close and im very scared that the night will come because its the most horrific time of the day. Explosions. But its notjust homes. The un stated today that it will run out of fuel in 2a hours, forcing tough decisions ahead. Were running out of fuel. We are now reducing the fuel were using every day so that we can keep the most Critical Services running for as long as possible. But it is going to mean that people dont have access to drinking water. If we cant get fuel to the bakeries, theyre going to close down. And really critically, you know, hospitals that are full of patients, they will not be able to run their icu, for example. Do you feel that your facilities can now no longer be considered safe zones . This is one of the biggest questions that we get from the community. Am i safe . Ive come to a shelter. Im under a un flag. Am i safe . Now, in accordance with International Law, they should be safe. But the reality is, during the conduct of this war, places where people were seeking shelter under a un flag have been hit. People have lost their lives. Weve lost 35 colleagues from unwra so far. Im very worried that were going to lose more colleagues. This week, reports suggested that dozens more israeli hostages were on the table for release in return for Fuel Deliveries. But an agreement couldnt be made. While yesterday, the israeli army claimed that hamas is stockpiling half a million litres of fuel and told the United Nations to ask hamas if you can have some. So a decision was made by israel ito shut all supply of electricity. Through the electrical wires that were coming from israel. You also have a Power Station in gaza that was supplying about a third of the supply that was available, that runs on fuel, that was also coming through israelj and that was also blocked. So a few days later, you basically had a situation of a total blackout in gaza. And were now on day 16 of that total blackout. Ive never seen anything like this. Lights are going out across gaza and theres little sign of reprieve ahead, plunging a desperate landscape into a deeper darkness. Im here. I am in gaza, standing in front of my window. And i dont know if im going to make it till tomorrow morning. Just pray for us and pray that this ends when. Not well. Its never going to end well. Just ends. To discuss the crisis, were joined in the studio byjasmine el gamal, who was a Pentagon Adviser and now works with think tanks, dan gillerman, formerly israeli ambassador to the un and now a businessman, and frances leach, who is head of media for the actionaid uk charity. Starting with you, you have partners in a particular hospital in gaza so how are they working around the conditions that you heard described in the report . In the report . Very difficult, we have partners in the report . Very difficult, we have partners in in the report . Very difficult, we have partners in the in the report . Very difficult, we have partners in the al in the report . Very difficult, we have partners in the al wother i have partners in the Al Wother Hospital In Gaza and what they have told us is they are almost out of fuel and that means for the majority of people who are working in those hospitals they night that they will not be able to provide the life saving care they need to for their patients. We have heard over 150 babies on incubators, 70 are being mechanically ventilated and without power those babies will die. What we are also seeing is that hospitals are massively oversubscribed in terms of the patients they are treating at the moment, 2000 in a hospital that would normally treat 700 so you can imagine the scale of emergency those doctors are facing in those hospitals. Hospitals at the moment in gaza are some of the only places that still had power at left, even if they have any power at all. Because of generators. Exactly and what we are because of generators. Exactly and what we are calling because of generators. Exactly and what we are calling for because of generators. Exactly and what we are calling for at because of generators. Exactly and what we are calling for at actionaid is to have aid coming through rafah that crucially includes fuel because so far that has not been part of any aid delivered. It is difficult to see that if you get medicines delivered to your hospital that is in a blackout with no power to treat patients, what that medicine will do. �. ,. Patients, what that medicine will do. G. ,. ,. , patients, what that medicine will do. Jasmine, rafah is a Crossing Oint do. Jasmine, rafah is a Crossing Point between do. Jasmine, rafah is a Crossing Point between egypt do. Jasmine, rafah is a Crossing Point between egypt and do. Jasmine, rafah is a Crossing Point between egypt and the do. Jasmine, rafah is a crossing i point between egypt and the gaza strip but there seem to be many other people now exerting an influence over what and who goes through. Influence over what and who goes throu. H. ,. ,. , influence over what and who goes throu~h. ,. ,. ,. , through. Right, so there are two issues that through. Right, so there are two issues that are through. Right, so there are two issues that are examples through. Right, so there are two issues that are examples of through. Right, so there are two l issues that are examples of issues that have issues that are examples of issues that have to be discussed by a multitude of players when it comes to the multitude of players when it comes to the Rafah Crossing. One is a security to the Rafah Crossing. One is a security and another is ensuring that crossing will not be bombed, will not that crossing will not be bombed, will not he that crossing will not be bombed, will not be attacked by the israelis if the will not be attacked by the israelis if the aid will not be attacked by the israelis if the aid is coming in, and the other if the aid is coming in, and the other is if the aid is coming in, and the other is ensuring that the aid that doesnt other is ensuring that the aid that doesnt go other is ensuring that the aid that doesnt go in does not fall into the hands doesnt go in does not fall into the hands of doesnt go in does not fall into the hands of hamas so both of those issues hands of hamas so both of those issues obviously are Critical Issues to ensuring issues obviously are Critical Issues to ensuring aid goes in safely and ets to ensuring aid goes in safely and gets to to ensuring aid goes in safely and gets to the people who need it most. And that gets to the people who need it most. And that involves multiple sides in negotiation including the americans. And from negotiation including the americans. And from the us point of view, i know it was said early on in this that, i think Something Like 500 us Passport Holders who are mainly palestinian dual nationals would be allowed out as part of this but that has not happened. It allowed out as part of this but that has not happened. Allowed out as part of this but that has not happened. It hasnt happened because often has not happened. It hasnt happened because often times, has not happened. It hasnt happened because often times, when has not happened. It hasnt happened because often times, when i has not happened. It hasnt happened because often times, when i have because often times, when i have tried because often times, when i have tried to because often times, when i have tried to go. Because often times, when i have tried to go, it has not been safe to cross tried to go, it has not been safe to cross 50 tried to go, it has not been safe to cross. So there have been instances when cross. So there have been instances when they cross. So there have been instances when they have gotten to the border but have when they have gotten to the border but have not been allowed to cross because but have not been allowed to cross because it but have not been allowed to cross because it has not been a safe situation because it has not been a safe situation due to israeli bombardment. But it is also worth noting bombardment. But it is also worth noting one bombardment. But it is also worth noting one really important point you just noting one really important point you just made, frankly, that because of the you just made, frankly, that because of the lack you just made, frankly, that because of the lack of fuel going in right now to of the lack of fuel going in right now to gaza, unrwa has announced it would now to gaza, unrwa has announced it would have now to gaza, unrwa has announced it would have to cease its operations inside would have to cease its operations inside gaza would have to cease its operations inside gaza possibly by The End Of Tonight, inside gaza possibly by The End Of Tonight, and they are saying that if they dont tonight, and they are saying that if they dont get fuelled by The End Of Tonight they dont get fuelled by The End Of Tonight or they dont get fuelled by The End Of Tonight or tomorrow morning, they will no tonight or tomorrow morning, they will no longer have fuel in their trucks will no longer have fuel in their trucks to will no longer have fuel in their trucks to even go and receive any aid and trucks to even go and receive any aid and distribute it so that it is also aid and distribute it so that it is also a aid and distribute it so that it is also a really important point. They talk about a also a really important point. They talk about a face also a really important point. Tia talk about a face shutdown of operations. Dan gillerman, let the fuel through, is it so hard . Its fuelthrough, is it so hard . Its very hard fuel through, is it so hard . 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