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BBCNEWS BBC July 3, 2024

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We need to make sure the quality of the Decision Making is good. Because people the Decision Making is good. Because people have used that to frustrate the Policy People have used that to frustrate the policy and that is why it is important the policy and that is why it is important we trained people and take the time important we trained people and take the time to important we trained people and take the time to make the decisions rigorously. It is also notjust about rigorously. It is also notjust about one rigorously. It is also notjust about one flight. The priority is being about one flight. The priority is being able to deliver a regular rhythm. Being able to deliver a regular rhythm, drumbeat, multiple flights a month rhythm, drumbeat, multiple flights a month over rhythm, drumbeat, multiple flights a month over the summer and beyond because month over the summer and beyond because that is how you build a systematic deterrent and that is how you witt systematic deterrent and that is how you will stop the boats. That is a system you will stop the boats. That is a system the you will stop the boats. That is a system the team i have worked hard to put system the team i have worked hard to put in system the team i have worked hard to put in place and it is important we take to put in place and it is important we take the time to get that right to build we take the time to get that right to build the deterrent we want to see to to build the deterrent we want to see to stop the boats. And lastly, as i see to stop the boats. And lastly, as i have see to stop the boats. And lastly, as i have said previously, so people have confidence and trust, i point to what have confidence and trust, i point to what we have confidence and trust, i point to what we achieved last year. For the first to what we achieved last year. For the first time the number of small Boat Crossing is down by 36 , 150 hotels Boat Crossing is down by 36 , 150 hotels turned back to local communities. In a few weeks time. Thousands communities. In a few weeks time. Thousands of people arrested. The backtod thousands of people arrested. The backlog. The Preparation Work i have given backlog. The Preparation Work i have given you backlog. The Preparation Work i have given you a backlog. The Preparation Work i have given you a sense of today should ive given you a sense of today should give people confidence. Thank you very much give people confidence. Thank you very much give people confidence. Thank you ve much. ,. , very much. That is the conclusion of the Prime Ministers very much. That is the conclusion of the Prime Ministers press the prime Ministers Press Conference in Downing Street this morning talking about the government plan to send some Asylum Seekers to rwanda. Some highlights from what he had to say. He said the first flight to rwanda will be in 10 12 weeks. He said this deterrent, of course the government sees the plan as a deterrent against illegal migration. He says this deterrent rests on the continual process of what it called a regular rhythm of flights to rwanda during the summer and beyond. He called this a regular rhythm of flights to rwanda. He said it would not rely on is a single flight and that was necessary to make sure the phenomenon of small boats crossings would stop. Those were the highlights from the prime Ministers Press Conference. We can speak to our political correspondent. What did you think of what he had to say . Some interesting detail about when he expects flights to take off. He said 10 12 weeks. He had detail about the work the government has been doing behind the scenes to ensure this plan is ready to go and operational as soon as possible. Just to run you through those, he said they had identified an airfield and a commercial airline to take flights. He said they had 500 people trained and ready to escort people to rwanda. Said he said they had extra court time to process legal claims and 200 people legally trained to do that. I think what rishi sunak was trying to do was to get ahead of the debate this evening in the House Of Lords and the commons about the intricacies with the bill and say the government is ready to get flights off as soon as possible. Obviously the caveat is rishi sunak initially said he wanted to get flights off in the spring and he is now saying they will not happen for a least another 10 12 weeks, which takes us into the summer. I think that will have implications for whether these will be done. They will not be done by the local elections and there are questions about how much of an impact this will have before the general election whenever that comes later this year. You general election whenever that comes later this year later this year. You mention questions later this year. You mention questions about later this year. You mention questions about the later this year. You mention questions about the generalj questions about the general election. Of course, a lot of journalists were asking him does this announcement mean, 10 12 weeks, that the general election will not happen until after that timeframe. How crucial is this plan for the Government Election prospects . Thea;r Government Election prospects . They are t in Government Election prospects . They are trying to Government Election prospects . They are trying to make Government Election prospects . Tie are trying to make it a Government Election prospects . Ti91 are trying to make it a key Government Election prospects . T191 are trying to make it a key pillar of their election offer to people in the uk. They are trying to make it a Dividing Line with the labour party. Rishi sunak arguing repeatedly labour do not have a plan for migration. Obviously the labour party would point to other measures they are looking to do. If they came into power. Rishi sunak clearly trying to make this an election issue, trying to make it a Dividing Line with the labour party. Obviously, standing on a lectern that said stop the boats. An easy promise to judge as to whether it has been successful because you can go to the Cliffs Of Dover and see if there were any boats coming over. I think that will be the key thing. Notjust a reduction in the number coming across, as well this bill gets ascent and flights start taking off, but whether or notjust gets ascent and flights start taking off, but whether or not just there is a reduction in small boats coming across but whether they are stopping the boats. The across but whether they are stopping the boats. ~. Across but whether they are stopping the boats. ~ , the boats. The Prime Minister said he would not the boats. The Prime Minister said he would not give the boats. The Prime Minister said he would not give much the boats. The Prime Minister said. He would not give much information about operational details about the government plan because of what he said was a loud minority who tried to frustrate the process. What did he mean by that . To frustrate the process. What did he mean by that . What he means is the government he mean by that . What he means is the government is he mean by that . What he means is the government is fully he mean by that . What he means is the government is fully expecting i the government is fully expecting this bill and plan to face more legal challenges. I have spoken to a Home Office Source who says they are fully anticipating the government to face legal challenges on this. This bill allows for individuals to claim that rwanda is not safe for them particularly, whether they face particularly, whether they face particular circumstances and Health Issues for example that means rwanda issues for example that means rwanda is not safe individually. There cannot be claims on whether it is safe generally. I spoke to a Senior Lawyer a few days ago who suggested there could be a legal claim, as well as individual claims, legal cases on the principle of the bill overall and whether it breaches the Rule Of Law In The Uk and particular constitutional arrangements the uk has between the courts and parliament and whether parliament is overreaching in passing the bill. There could be interesting legal claims to come and i think that is what rishi sunak meant by what he described as people who looked to frustrate this policy. Frustrate this policy. Remind us what is expected frustrate this policy. Remind us what is expected to frustrate this policy. Remind us what is expected to happen. I frustrate this policy. Remind us. What is expected to happen. This legislation has been in parliament forfour legislation has been in parliament for four months. The legislation has been in parliament for four months. Legislation has been in parliament for four months. The expectation is it should pass for four months. The expectation is it should pass today. For four months. The expectation is it should pass today. Rishi for four months. The expectation is it should pass today. Rishi sunak. It should pass today. Rishi sunak said he is running out of patience and reiterating what he said last week that the commons and the lords will sit and vote until it is done today. It means the House Of Commons will this afternoon vote on a couple of changes proposed amendments that the House Of Lords suggested last week. We expect mps in the commons to reject those changes. It will go back to the lords and we expect the lords to try to reinsert those changes and then it goes back to the commons and the question is how many times it will bounce between the two houses before eventually we expect it to pass and for the lords at some point this evening to concede the bill to pass at some point tonight. Harry, thank you. We have been listening to a Press Conference by the Prime Minister on his governments rwanda plan. We can listen to what he had to say about the timeline. The listen to what he had to say about the timeline. The timeline. The first flight will leave in 1012 the timeline. The first flight will leave in 1012 weeks. The timeline. The first flight will leave in 1012 weeks. Of the timeline. The first flight will| leave in 1012 weeks. Of course, leave in 10 12 weeks. Of course, that leave in10 12 weeks. Of course, that is leave in 10 12 weeks. Of course, that is tater leave in 10 12 weeks. Of course, that is later than we wanted. But we have always been clear that processing will take time and if Labour Processing will take time and if labour peers had not spent weeks Holding Labour peers had not spent weeks holding up labour peers had not spent weeks holding up the bill in the lords to try to holding up the bill in the lords to try to block these flights altogether, we would have begun this process altogether, we would have begun this process weeks ago. So altogether, we would have begun this process weeks ago. Altogether, we would have begun this process weeks ago. So what do people in rwanda make process weeks ago. So what do people in rwanda make of process weeks ago. So what do people in rwanda make of the process weeks ago. So what do people in rwanda make of the controversial. In rwanda make of the controversial policy itself . Our correspondent reports. Policy itself . Our correspondent re orts. ,. , reports. The government here has laruel reports. The government here has largely stood reports. The government here has largely stood back reports. The government here has largely stood back and reports. The government here has largely stood back and watched i reports. The government here has| largely stood back and watched the legal and political wrangling in the uk saying that is their process for britain. They welcome debate and so on. In the meantime they stressed they are ready to receive the flights at a moments notice if they are able to arrive and the hostel prepared to receive them has been standing ready for almost two years. The government in rwanda has made changes to law to address concerns raised by the British Supreme Court about the safety of migrants here, in particular about the risk of them being deported to countries from which they fled. The government also has strongly rejected to being called unsafe which is something they say is not true, they have a good safety record, and that is true on crime, but there has been an unwelcome spotlight put on allegations that government does suppress dissent here. People on the ground, ithink suppress dissent here. People on the ground, i think there is not as much attention paid to it here as it is in the uk. But in terms of the views, i would say they are largely economic. Some people say it is going to be good for the economy to have migrants coming, especially as many are expected to stay here. They bring new blood and ideas, they will be consumers and so on. Others say rwanda is a small densely populated country and does not have enough jobs and land already and this will increase competition for that and this is the view of the Opposition Party here. This is the view of the Opposition Party here this is the view of the opposition a here. ~. , party here. What about the people t in to party here. What about the people trying to illegally party here. What about the people trying to illegally cross party here. What about the people trying to illegally cross into party here. What about the people trying to illegally cross into the trying to illegally cross into the uk . Fiona irving visited a camp in calais and to speak to migrants to say they are determined to make the journey and will not be deterred by the policy. Footage taken a few days ago. As migrants gather on the beach in life jackets, the French Police turn up, trying to stop the boats. In another video, migrants make a dash to the scene. French forces stabbed the dinghy, making it unusable. We are told by migrants who filmed this they tried to cross the Channel Seven times. In the camps around dunkirk, there are dreams of better lives. On the brink of the rwanda asylum bill becoming law, people here are waiting for their moment across the channel. How long have you been here . One month. Rosie from south sudan is 16 and wants to be a flight attendant. As an unaccompanied minor we conceal her identity. She takes me to her camp for the night, saying she is determined to make it to the uk. Are you worried about crossing the channel because it can be dangerous . Yes, i am worried but nothing i can do. 1. Yes, i am worried but nothing i can do. , yes, i am worried but nothing i can do. ,. , do. Just look at the conditions some ofthe do. Just look at the conditions some of the migrants do. Just look at the conditions some of the migrants are do. Just look at the conditions some of the migrants are living do. Just look at the conditions some of the migrants are living in. Do. Just look at the conditions some of the migrants are living in. We of the migrants are living in. We have seen dozens of camps dotted around the woodlands with hundreds possibly thousands Asylum Seekers looking to come to the uk. Those we have spoken to are not put off at the prospect of being sent to rwanda. It is worth the risk to go . I tried my chance. If i go to rwanda or africa, i tried my chance. If i go to rwanda orafrica, it i tried my chance. If i go to rwanda orafrica, it is i tried my chance. If i go to rwanda or africa, it is no matter for me but first or africa, it is no matter for me but first i or africa, it is no matter for me but first i want to go to the uk. My but first i want to go to the uk. M1 Neighbouring Country is but first i want to go to the uk. M1 Neighbouring Country is rwanda so if i knew it was a safe country i would go there because they are my neighbours. Because i know that rwanda can never be safe for me that is why i risk myself. That is why i am here. It is why i risk myself. That is why i am here. Is why i risk myself. That is why i am here. ,. ,. ~ am here. It is dangerous making the crossin. Am here. It is dangerous making the crossing yes am here. It is dangerous making the crossing. Yes. Maybe am here. It is dangerous making the crossing. Yes. Maybe when am here. It is dangerous making the crossing. Yes. Maybe when i am here. It is dangerous making the crossing. Yes. Maybe when i go am here. It is da

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