The robbery. That was the assessment. The robbery. That was the assessment. I the robbery. That was the assessment. I wasnt the robbery. That was the | assessment. I wasnt sure the robbery. That was the assessment. I wasnt sure how the robbery. That was the assessment. I wasnt sure how much it was. ,. , it was. Initially, they found him entirely culpable it was. Initially, they found him entirely culpable for it was. Initially, they found him entirely culpable for the it was. Initially, they found him i entirely culpable for the robbery, for breaching procedures, and required for breaching procedures, and required him to repay £38,000. Some of the required him to repay £38,000. Some of the money, i should say, i think 515. 000 of the money, i should say, i think £15,000 had been recovered from the robbers £15,000 had been recovered from the robbers hy £15,000 had been recovered from the robbers by the police because of the Information Thatjulie Robbers by the police because of the information that Julie Griffiths provided. Then that amount, for which provided. Then that amount, for which he provided. Then that amount, for which he was found to be to blame, £38,000, which he was found to be to blame, £38,000, was reduced to £7,500. Yes. So the post office £38,000, was reduced to £7,500. Yes. So the post office was £38,000, was reduced to £7,500. Yes so the post office was blaming him for the so the post office was blaming him for the robbery . For so the post office was blaming him for the robbery . For the robbery . For not complying with certain for the robbery . For not complying with certain procedures for the robbery . For not complying with certain procedures at for the robbery . For not complying with certain procedures at the for the robbery . For not complying | with certain procedures at the time, yes. Ie with certain procedures at the time, es. ,. ,. , yes. Ie leaving the door open while the mailman yes. Ie leaving the door open while the mailman came yes. Ie leaving the door open while the mailman came to yes. Ie leaving the door open while the mailman came to collect yes. Ie leaving the door open while the mailman came to collect the i yes. Ie leaving the door open while i the mailman came to collect the gyro pouch . The mailman came to collect the gyro ouch . � the mailman came to collect the gyro ouch . ,. , the mailman came to collect the gyro ouch . �. ,. ,. ,. , the mailman came to collect the gyro ouch . , pouch . And also the time look on the safe was not pouch . And also the time look on the safe was not set, pouch . And also the time look on the safe was not set, i pouch . And also the time look on the safe was not set, i think. Pouch . And also the time look on the safe was not set, i think. Thats safe was not set, i think. Thats from looking at the papers. I didnt know this at the time. fin from looking at the papers. I didnt know this at the time. Know this at the time. On the 23 september know this at the time. On the 23 september 2013, know this at the time. On the 23 september 2013, i know this at the time. On the 23 september 2013, i think know this at the time. On the 23 september 2013, i think you know this at the time. On the 23 i september 2013, i think you know that mr september 2013, i think you know that mr griffiths drove his car to a layhy that mr griffiths drove his car to a layby on that mr griffiths drove his car to a lay by on the a41, got out of his car and lay by on the a41, got out of his car and deliberately stepped in frant car and deliberately stepped in front of car and deliberately stepped in front of an oncoming bus. Yes. He was seriously front of an oncoming bus. I9 3 he was seriously injured, front of an oncoming bus. Iles he was seriously injured, taken front of an oncoming bus. I9; he was seriously injured, taken to hospital was seriously injured, taken to hospital and remained in a coma for about hospital and remained in a coma for about three hospital and remained in a coma for about three weeks. On the 11th Of 0ctoher about three weeks. On the 11th of october 2013, about three weeks. On the 11th of october2013, his about three weeks. On the 11th of october 2013, his Life Support Machine october 2013, his Life Support Machine was switched off and he passed machine was switched off and he passed away that day. It was later concluded passed away that day. It was later concluded by a coroner that mr griffiths concluded by a coroner that mr griffiths had taken his own life. I want griffiths had taken his own life. I want to griffiths had taken his own life. I want to see what happened within the post office when it was notified of what happened to mr griffiths. Pol 0016~ can we look at page four, please . And scroll can we look at page four, please . And scroll down. On the 23rd of september 2013, the day that mr griffiths september 2013, the day that mr griffiths walked in front of a bus, at 5. 02. Griffiths walked in front of a bus, at 5. 02. Mr griffiths walked in front of a bus, at 5. 02, Mralan Griffiths walked in front of a bus, at 5. 02, mr alan bates e mailed paula at 5. 02, mr alan bates e mailed paula vennells, you and some other people paula vennells, you and some other people including jo swinson with the subject. People including jo swinson with the subject, post office, read this. This subject, post office, read this. This afternoon i received the following e mail. A prime example of the thuggery being exerted on Defenceless Sub Postmasters is the post office denied Legal Representation are arrogant and uncontrolled post Office Personnel. Despite uncontrolled post Office Personnel. Despite assurances from on high that this type despite assurances from on high that this type of despite assurances from on high that this type of thing is in the past, its this type of thing is in the past, its clear this type of thing is in the past, its clear from the post offices actions its clear from the post offices actions that its still alive and active actions that its still alive and active. And then the e mail he received active. And then the e mail he received active. And then the e mail he received hello, alan, Iam Writing On Behalf received hello, alan, Iam Writing On Behalf of received hello, alan, Iam Writing On Behalf of my son in law Martin Griffiths. On behalf of my son in law Martin Griffiths, who has been in touch with you griffiths, who has been in touch with you about the treatment doled out to with you about the treatment doled out to him with you about the treatment doled out to him by the hierarchy at the crown out to him by the hierarchy at the crown office in chester. He had an armed crown office in chester. He had an armed Raid Crown Office in chester. He had an armed raid in may and they have Intimated Armed Raid In May and they have intimated he was culpable. Had him at the intimated he was culpable. Had him at the kangaroo court, where he was not allowed at the kangaroo court, where he was not allowed representation of his own not allowed representation of his own he not allowed representation of his own. He was a broken man then. But he was own. He was a broken man then. But he was sent own. He was a broken man then. But he was sent for last friday to attend he was sent for last friday to attend a he was sent for last friday to attend a meeting with the crown 0ffice attend a meeting with the crown Office Personnel again, and all week, Office Personnel again, and all week, he Office Personnel again, and all week, he has not been himself. This morning week, he has not been himself. This morning he week, he has not been himself. This morning he drove off to work, got out of morning he drove off to work, got out of his morning he drove off to work, got out of his car and walked in front of the out of his car and walked in front of the bus out of his car and walked in front of the bus. He is dangerously ill in hospital of the bus. He is dangerously ill in hospital at of the bus. He is dangerously ill in hospital at liverpool. The post Office Hospital at liverpool. The post office had driven him to suicide. All the office had driven him to suicide. All the family are at the hospital. Im all the family are at the hospital. Lm alone all the family are at the hospital. Im alone waiting by the phone for further im alone waiting by the phone for further news of him. I would urge you to further news of him. I would urge you to publicise this, another incident you to publicise this, another incident caused by the bully boys at the crown incident caused by the bully boys at the crown office. May god forgive them the crown office. May god forgive them mr the crown office. May god forgive them. Mr bates continues, im aware of martins them. Mr bates continues, im aware of martins case and i know he was terrified of martins case and i know he was terrified to of martins case and i know he was terrified to raise the shortages with the terrified to raise the shortages with the post office because ofjust this type with the post office because ofjust this type of thing happening to him. But the this type of thing happening to him. But the post office got him in the end but the post office got him in the end. Regardless of what may or may not have end. Regardless of what may or may not have occurred to him, why did the post not have occurred to him, why did the post office have to hound him to the post office have to hound him to the point the post office have to hound him to the point of the post office have to hound him to the point of trying to take his own life . The point of trying to take his own life . Despite numerous warnings never life . Despite numerous warnings never to life . Despite numerous warnings never to attend any discussion without never to attend any discussion without Legal Representation, martin, without Legal Representation, martin, trying to be helpful, didnt take anyone with him as per the conditions take anyone with him as per the conditions the post office demand. If conditions the post office demand. If the conditions the post office demand. If the post conditions the post office demand. If the post office cannot control their if the post office cannot control their personnel, then at the very least their personnel, then at the very least they their personnel, then at the very least they can do is insist on a Sub Postmaster taking Legal Representation with them to any Meeting Representation with them to any meeting with the post office. Im very angry meeting with the post office. Im very angry about this. As per the wishes very angry about this. As per the wishes of very angry about this. As per the wishes of the family, i will be contacting many of the contacts in the media contacting many of the contacts in the media we have built up over the years the media we have built up over the years back the media we have built up over the years. Back to page four, please. We can see years. Back to page four, please. We can see that years. Back to page four, please. We can see that ms crichton forwards the email can see that ms crichton forwards the e mail to roger can you find out the the e mail to roger can you find out the facts . We need them this evening out the facts . We need them this evening a out the facts . We need them this evening. A couple of minutes later, mark evening. A couple of minutes later, mark davies says, we must get details mark davies says, we must get details of mark davies says, we must get details of this this evening. Mr gillibrand says, i am trying to find out the gillibrand says, i am trying to find out the details. And we can see an email out the details. And we can see an email that out the details. And we can see an e mail that distributes this chain to you e mail that distributes this chain to you from mark davies. Yes. Mr davies says. To you from mark davies. Yes. Mr davies says, thanks, to you from mark davies. I9; mr davies says, thanks, given the potential davies says, thanks, given the potential media element, please can we line potential media element, please can we line up potential media element, please can we line up a Specialist Media lawyer in case we line up a Specialist Media lawyer in case we we line up a Specialist Media lawyer in case we need urgent advice this evening . In case we need urgent advice this evening . So the Immediate Reaction was not. Evening . So the Immediate Reaction was not. Is evening . So the Immediate Reaction was not, is Martin Griffiths all right, was not, is Martin Griffiths all right, what about his health, was it . , , , , it . Not at this point in this email chain. It . Not at this point in this email chain the it . Not at this point in this email chain. The immediate it . Not at this point in this email chain. The Immediate Reaction it . Not at this point in this email| chain. The Immediate Reaction was not, what chain. The Immediate Reaction was not. What can chain. The Immediate Reaction was not, what can we, chain. The Immediate Reaction was not, what can we, the chain. The Immediate Reaction was not, what can we, the post chain. The Immediate Reaction was not, what can we, the post office, j not, what can we, the post office, do to not, what can we, the post office, do to help not, what can we, the post office, do to help this mans family, was it . , , what do to help this mans family, was it . What about| it . Not at this point. What about his wife and it . Not at this point. What about his wife and children, it . Not at this point. What about his wife and children, his it . Not at this point. What about his wife and children, his elderly| his wife and children, his elderly parents. His wife and children, his elderly parents, his sister . Should we get somebody parents, his sister . Should we get somebody down to the hospital . That didnt somebody down to the hospital . That didnt happen, did it . Not somebody down to the hospital . That didnt happen, did it . Didnt happen, did it . Not getting somebody to didnt happen, did it . Not getting somebody to the didnt happen, did it . Not getting somebody to the hospital. Didnt happen, did it . Not getting somebody to the hospital. The i didnt happen, did it . Not getting. Somebody to the hospital. The first thin was, somebody to the hospital. The first thing was. Lets somebody to the hospital. The first thing was, lets get somebody to the hospital. The first thing was, lets get a somebody to the hospital. The first thing was, lets get a Media Somebody to the hospital. The first| thing was, lets get a media lawyer. That is thing was, lets get a media lawyer. That is what thing was, lets get a media lawyer. That is what mark said here. Is thing was, lets get a media lawyer. That is what mark said here. That is what mark said here. Is that what it was that is what mark said here. Is that what it was like that is what mark said here. Is that what it was like in that is what mark said here. Is that what it was like in this what it was like in this organisation at the time, it was all about organisation at the time, it was all about Brand Reputation . The organisation at the time, it was all about Brand Reputation . About Brand Reputation . The first i knew of this about Brand Reputation . The first i knew of this is, about Brand Reputation . The first i knew of this is, it about Brand Reputation . The first i knew of this is, it came about Brand Reputation . The first i knew of this is, it came in knew of this is, it came in separately from martins sister. There was a separate report of what i originally heard was a traffic accident. I didnt know he had deliberately walked in front of the bus at that time. So there is more correspondence. Roger gale was running the Crown Network at the time. . Running the Crown Network at the time. ,. , running the Crown Network at the time. ,. . , i. Time. This email chain tells you he walks in front time. This email chain tells you he walks in front of time. This email chain tells you he walks in front of a time. This email chain tells you he walks in front of a bus. Time. This email chain tells you he walks in front of a bus. But walks in front of a bus. But something walks in front of a bus. But something came walks in front of a bus. But something came in walks in front of a bus. But something came in separately. There were two parallel notifications to me. I didnt know martin. This was my first involvement in it and i was concerned that the family, which was why i got involved going forward. You are talking about much later. Im asking about the Immediate Reaction im asking about the Immediate Reaction of the post office. That is the Immediate Re