Hello, im christian fraser. Youre watching the context on bbc news. Long delays at airports in the uk tonight due to an outage affecting Passport E Gates at the border. We will get to the border situation shortly, but we had a fairly robust conversation earlier. She sits on the National Security committee, so we went at length in that interview, because we dont often get that opportunity. Rachel shabi and Julio Ricardo varela were listening, apologies for not bringing you off the bat, but i thought i would get your thoughts on what you heard, ritual, what did you make of that . I think its outrageous for a member of the knesset to create massive massive humanitarian disaster in gaza and have the audacity to blame the un for not dealing with it when clearly un agencies have been screaming and pleaded and implored four months along with other aid agencies for israel to one, open the borders to facilitate the transfer of aids, Including Essentialfood and water and medical supplies, and number two, and water and medical supplies, and numbertwo, ensure and water and medical supplies, and number two, ensure that there is safe passage in a war zone, where it is impossible to transfer aid want to just is impossible to transfer aid want tojust come through is impossible to transfer aid want to just come through the border into the propositions that most need it. So i thought that was particularly outrageous, but also, i think its interesting, there was a poll i was of israel today so distant mustard much of the population would prefer a deal to free the hostages over a military incursion in rafah, which, by the way, rafah has already been bombarded, we are already seeing those horrible images emerge from russia rafah. Its from russia rafah. Its interesting, from russia rafah. Its interesting, shes from russia rafah. Its interesting, shes former from that likud party, no love lost with Prime MinisterBenjamin Netanyahu, but udc herejulio, the resolute commitment to get root of hamas right across the political spectrum. And theres certainly a different Point Of View within israel as to whether the hostages should be put before that, but when you challenge politicians and whether the two things are compressible, date think it is and that putting more pressure on hamas is the way to put the bring the hostages home, or do you think . More violence in one hostages home, or do you think . More violence in one affair, hostages home, or do you think . More violence in one affair, i hostages home, or do you think . More violence in one affair, i dont think violence in one affair, i dont think it violence in one affair, i dont think it is violence in one affair, i dont think it is good for anybody to begin think it is good for anybody to begin with, thank you for that longer begin with, thank you for that longer segment, christian, i begin with, thank you for that longer segment, christian, lam still trying longer segment, christian, lam still trying to process it a bit, in a sense still trying to process it a bit, in a sense. Refugees dont choose to be like hey. A sense. Refugees dont choose to be like hey. I a sense. Refugees dont choose to be like hey, lam a sense. Refugees dont choose to be like hey, i am leaving where i come from like hey, i am leaving where i come from like hey, i am leaving where i come from they like hey, i am leaving where i come from. They have been displaced, and to from. They have been displaced, and to not from. They have been displaced, and to not understand the cause of that displacement, and say, that is the agencies fault, i think there is a part the agencies fault, i think there is a part of the agencies fault, i think there is a part of this that not only in israei. A part of this that not only in israei. But a part of this that not only in israel, but here in the states, i was israel, but here in the states, i was thinking we were kind of getting a bit lethargic, and it was ok, here we go a bit lethargic, and it was ok, here we goagain, a bit lethargic, and it was ok, here we go again, israel palestine, we have we go again, israel palestine, we have been we go again, israel palestine, we have been here before, and then the student have been here before, and then the Student Protests have woken everybody up again the last few weeks. Everybody up again the last few weeks, and there is a clear desire, that this weeks, and there is a clear desire, that this type of conflict is not good that this type of conflict is not good for that this type of conflict is not good for the world. So why are we not coming to a better solution, instead not coming to a better solution, instead of not coming to a better solution, instead of Pointing Fingers . I try to turn instead of Pointing Fingers . I try to turn off instead of Pointing Fingers . I try to turn off social media more and more to turn off social media more and more when to turn off social media more and more when it comes to this issue because more when it comes to this issue because everyone seems to have their own propaganda campaign, and its really own propaganda campaign, and its really hard own propaganda campaign, and its really hard to cut through to the truth, really hard to cut through to the truth, and really hard to cut through to the truth, and as a fellowjournalist, here truth, and as a fellowjournalist, here and truth, and as a fellowjournalist, here and you handle that, im trying not to here and you handle that, im trying not to make here and you handle that, im trying not to make it about you christine, its hard not to make it about you christine, its hard when youre working with politicians its hard when youre working with politicians trying to spend something, to work with your objectives, when you have the facts ii l ht objectives, when you have the facts right in objectives, when you have the facts right in front of you, that is a part right in front of you, that is a part i right in front of you, that is a part i am right in front of you, that is a part i am struggling with. Sol right in front of you, that is a part i am struggling with. So i hope this reawakening of what is happening in the american universities, will kind of bring it track universities, will kind of bring it back so universities, will kind of bring it back so it universities, will kind of bring it back so it becomes more of an issue in the back so it becomes more of an issue in the Political Campaign of the united in the Political Campaign of the united states. I was seated by then it will united states. I was seated by then it will not united states. I was seated by then it will not win the left if this is not solved. It will not win the left if this is not solved it will not win the left if this is not solved. I. ,. , not solved. Are you talking about the latino vote . Not solved. Are you talking about the latino vote . Anything, not solved. Are you talking about the latino vote . Anything, im i the latino vote . Anything, im talkin the latino vote . Anything, im talking about the latino vote . Anything, im talking about former the latino vote . Anything, im talking about former biden talking about former biden supporters, when you hear stories about supporters, when you hear stories about the supporters, when you hear stories about the first lady seen something has to about the first lady seen something has to be about the first lady seen something has to be done, its hard, we have to admit has to be done, its hard, we have to admit that President Biden is a political to admit that President Biden is a political creature of this conflict, and i political creature of this conflict, and i think political creature of this conflict, and i think we have to take a hard look and i think we have to take a hard look at and i think we have to take a hard look at ourselves as americans to understand look at ourselves as americans to understand his perspective. Ijust know understand his perspective. Ijust know that understand his perspective. Ijust know that it is really weird to watch know that it is really weird to watch | know that it is really weird to watch. ,. ,. ,. Watch. I ust wondered, rachel, if toda s watch. Ijust wondered, rachel, if todays session, watch. Ijust wondered, rachel, if todays session, talking watch. Ijust wondered, rachel, if todays session, talking about todays session, talking about Anti Semitism, and its been a rising problem even before october seven and needs tackling, but i think his intervention today does show that he is in a vice. There is deep opposition on the left to an invasion of rafah, and into the centre, people are more aligned with the republican way of thinking that israel should be supported at all costs. I israel should be supported at all costs. ~. Israel should be supported at all costs. ,. ,. , costs. I think that that view is shiftin costs. I think that that view is shifting in costs. I think that that view is shifting in the costs. I think that that view is shifting in the us. Costs. I think that that view is shifting in the us. I costs. I think that that view is shifting in the us. I would costs. I think that that view isj shifting in the us. I would say biden, hejust bankrolled israel by another ia billion despite having said for months and months that rafah was a redline. It does not compute. It does not follow that it should say rafah is a redline then bankrolled ia million, so something is wrong with that picture, and i think more and more people can see that whatever biden says about this is tricky and hes trying to talk to netanyahu, and is not listening, we all look at him, he is the most shes the president of the most powerful nation in the world, the number one financial and political backer of israel, he can stop this, so i think that story is spreading somewhat thin, and what i wanted to say about Anti Semitism, as someone who just researched a book about this subject, i think it is right that it this subject, i think it is right thatitis this subject, i think it is right that it is serious and spiralling around the world, no doubt about that, it was happening before october seven, that, it was happening before octoberseven, but that, it was happening before october seven, but what we are seen happen now is some very cynical manipulation and weaponisation of a minor Advertise Community that does feel vulnerable and that is happening by right wing politicians who find themselves in wedge issue with Anti Semitism with which to cudgel the left in a manner that is meaning to bash woke mobs for trade sometime, and is been doing for some years and has found a new weapon in Anti Semitism with which to do that. And that kind of cynical misuse of Anti Semitism certainly does one favours when it comes to tackling this racism. Favours when it comes to tackling this racism favours when it comes to tackling this racism. ~. , ,. ,. , this racism. Was he left us on that, send our this racism. Was he left us on that, send your thoughts and, this racism. Was he left us on that, send your thoughts and, we this racism. Was he left us on that, send your thoughts and, we would | send your thoughts and, we would leave it there and circulated plenty more of course and we will do it on subsequent programmes. Lets look at whats happening at uk airports because they are long delays that do tend issue with passport indicates that the borders, officials said they were aware of theissues officials said they were aware of the issues through the system. In a statement they said. Manchester airport, gatwick airport, also confirmed they had been affected. Lets begin injoke mum and joel mcmanus, a familiar name, shes a journalist as well, i should stress, shes also at Heathrow Terminal two with lots of people behind you, what does it look like . Its unbelievable, you should see the crowd. I reckon the queue goes back at least one km and its has tripled our quadrupled, theyre tripled our quadrupled, they� re working tripled our quadrupled, theyre working on with cans of water with people being patient here. You cant really get an idea because it is wall to wall people. I dont know if you can see much. Shire walltowall people. I dont know if you can see much. You can see much. Are they telling ou what you can see much. Are they telling you what the you can see much. Are they telling you what the problem you can see much. Are they telling you what the problem is . You can see much. Are they telling l you what the problem is . Somebody said it was a you what the problem is . Somebody said it was a system you what the problem is . Somebody said it was a System Outage you what the problem is . Somebody said it was a System Outage and you what the problem is . Somebody said it was a System Outage and it i said it was a System Outage and it was nationwide, and it was all the airports, we have been in the queue for a5 minutes. Airports, we have been in the queue for 45 minutes for as minutes. Where are you sopposed be for as minutes. Where are you supposed be going . For as minutes. Where are you supposed be going . We for as minutes. Where are you supposed be going . We are i for as minutes. Where are you supposed be going . We are supposed be cominu supposed be going . We are supposed be coming into supposed be going . We are supposed be coming into london. Supposed be going . We are supposed be coming into london. You supposed be going . We are supposed be coming into london. You are supposed be going . We are supposed be coming into london. You are on i be coming into london. You are on our wa be coming into london. You are on your way and be coming into london. You are on your way and so be coming into london. You are on your way and so you be coming into london. You are on your way and so you cant be coming into london. You are on your way and so you cant get your way and so you cant get through Passport Control . Ida. Your way and so you cant get through Passport Control . No, thats what we are through Passport Control . No, thats what we are trained through Passport Control . No, thats what we are trained to through Passport Control . No, thats what we are trained to do, through Passport Control . No, thats what we are trained to do, all through Passport Control . No, thats what we are trained to do, all these | what we are trained to do, all these people are far Passport Control, and it is chaotic. I people are far Passport Control, and it is chaotic it is chaotic. I guess you wouldnt know, because it is chaotic. I guess you wouldnt know, because you it is chaotic. I guess you wouldnt know, because you obviously it is chaotic. I guess you wouldnt know, because you obviously airside, have anyone it tore the if its the same on the land site as well . Ida. Same on the land site as well . No, all therefore same on the land site as well . No, all therefore this same on the land site as well . No, all therefore this is same on the land site as well . Iifr, all therefore this is a problem with Passport Control and everyone to be patient and treat people kindly. A technical issue is all we know, but one person while capacity wasnt National System outage, and it problem,. We National System outage, and it problemn National System outage, and it roblem,. ~ ,. ,. ,. , problem,. We know what happened the last time this problem,. We know what happened the last time this took problem,. We know what happened the last time this took place, problem,. We know what happened the last time this took place, it last time this took place, it knocked out flights during the day and we saw long delays and cancellations, what about the care for people there . Are they getting plenty of information, because the Border Forces there to compute booths where fear into consideration, you also got water . Yes, they are offering water to everybody, its quite stuffy and hot the next hot in here, no one knows what has happened, wejust the next hot in here, no one knows what has happened, we just know we are in the long queue and i think we have a long way to go. fiur have a long way to go. Our sympathies have a long way to go. Our sympathies to have a long way to go. Our sympathies to you have a long way to go. Our sympathies to you and have a long way to go. Our sympathies to you and everyone around you, thank you for coming up tonight, journalist on the spot. Will keep to we keep you up to date it with any news from the border first. Around the world and across the uk. This is bbc news. Now i lighten the mood. A few weeks ago while on my easter break in scotland, my son, 12 years old, asked me if we could go into town to superdrug. And of course, i said yes, what are you missing . And he said, i am not missing anything, ijust want to go and smell colognes. Which i thought was a wind up. But apparently not. And so off we went to superdrug, in oban, where in fact we had to wait. Because there in line, at the cologne counter, were lots of other little boys who were also there to buy colognes. And many of them not much older than my son. So what is going on . Well, i have since discovered, this is a thing. Driven by social media, i suspect, but certainly for the Perfume Industry a new and much younger clientele. Heres the kind of thing theyre watching online. How to apply a fragrance. You do five sprays. One, two, three, four, five. You do one behind each ear one, two then on the collar, not on the skin, because the skin makes you red spots after you shave because, as you know, this perfume contains more alcohol than a jack daniels whisky. He doesnt even shave. Five sprays