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He played kevin lang estate in the Fantasy Series and also had roles in torchwood, doctor who and the bill. It husband ben daniels described him as a wonderful actor and an absolute rock to him. Bbc radio 5 live. They are terrifying figures about how many kids under 13 have seen violent energy and pornography a5 violent energy and pornography as well. We have so much to talk about and i want you to talk about it and i want you to talk to the minister as well who joins us now. I want you to talk to the minister as Well Whojoins us now. Saqib bhatti, digitaland as Well Whojoins us now. Saqib bhatti, digital and economy minister. , minister. Good morning. Good morning. Minister. Good morning. Good morning, thank minister. Good morning. Good morning, thank you minister. Good morning. Good morning, thank you for minister. Good morning. Good morning, thank you for having | minister. Good morning. Good morning, thank you for having me. It is really important you are here and i� m pleased that you are. I think the details of what you want to do and you are trying to do will emerge as we discussed this over the next half an hour. If you will allow me, i� d like to go straight to our whom you can talk, and there is a lot that want to talk to you. Sarah jane in portsmouth, good morning. Goad in portsmouth, good morning. Good mornin , in portsmouth, good morning. Good morning. Thank in portsmouth, good morning. Good morning, thank you in portsmouth, good morning. Good morning, thank you for in portsmouth, good morning. Good morning, thank you for having me on. It is a morning, thank you for having me on. It is a pleasure. And lucy in bristol it is a pleasure. And lucy in bristol as it is a pleasure. And lucy in bristol as well and katie in bournemouth, hi. Bristol as well and katie in bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you there . Hi, bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you there . Hi. Im bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you there . Hi, im here, bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you there . Hi, im here, yes. Bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you there . Hi, im here, yes. How. Bournemouth, hi. Katie, are you. There . Hi, im here, yes. How are ou . There . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine i there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine. I want there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine. I want you there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine. I want you to there . Hi, im here, yes. How are you . Im fine. I want you to go. You . Im fine. I want you to go first. You . Im fine. I want you to go first well you . Im fine. I want you to go first. Well get you . Im fine. I want you to go first. Well get as you . Im fine. I want you to go first. Well get as many you . Im fine. I want you to go first. Well get as many of you . Im fine. I want you to gol first. Well get as many of your first. We� ll get as many of your questions and voices on. Katie, speak the minister. Hi. Questions and voices on. Katie, speak the minister. Questions and voices on. Katie, speak the minister. Hi, my name is katie, im speak the minister. Hi, my name is katie. Im a speak the minister. Hi, my name is katie, im a single speak the minister. Hi, my name is katie, im a single parent speak the minister. Hi, my name is katie, im a single parent and speak the minister. 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The same, i have three kids, a 13yearoid, the same, i have three kids, a 13 year old, 12 and nine. They are on social 13 year old, 12 and nine. They are on social media, they do have phones. On social media, they do have phones, but from all the bad stuff out there phones, but from all the bad stuff out there on the internet, there is a lot out there on the internet, there is a lot of out there on the internet, there is a lot of good out there, inspiring content a lot of good out there, inspiring content from entrepreneurs, im an entrepreneur myself, and i think i love the entrepreneur myself, and i think i love the restrictions and potential tightening of the information for the Bad Tightening of the information for the bad stuff, but it is platforms like tiktok, instagram and facebook banned like tiktok, instagram and facebook banned completely, there will be a whole banned completely, there will be a whole generation that will not get the good whole generation that will not get the good motivational and inspiring content, the good motivational and inspiring content, what is your viewpoint on that . 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Thank you for that question. Do that . Thank you for that question, katie. Do that . Thank you for that question, katie. This do that . Thank you for that question, katie. This is do that . Thank you for that question, katie. This is an l do that . Thank you for that question, katie. This is an issue that so many parents speak to me about. The first thing ijust that so many parents speak to me about. The first thing i just want to say is i am a parent myself and i don� t want parents to be on their own on this. Last year we passed the Online Safety act. It is a world leading piece of legislation, and i5 leading piece of legislation, and is designed to make sure social Media Companies and big Tech Companies, Search Engines, etc i held to their terms and conditions. Frankly, the regulator is ofcom, what has happened today significantly as part of the implementation of the legislation they are published a draft code of practice and fundamentally what that means there is a consultation starting today, Ofcom Have Given a0 recommendations laying out their expectations. It is im ortant laying out their expectations. It is important parents get a chance to talk to you about this and there is a specific form katie there. Under these recommendations, there are recommendations on Age Verification, how will katie� s12 year old be prevented from going online and seeing harmful content. How will that work . , that work . One of the recommendations,. That work . One of the recommendations, or| that work . One of the. Recommendations, or a that work . One of the recommendations, or a number that work . One of the recommendations, or a number of those recommendations are around how at Age Verification basically command how social Media Companies are now going to be expected to verify those people who access, and those children actually who access their online services. What they have suggested is where it is things like facial id, it might be credit checks, it might be a number of things, they are telling social Media Companies they must put in mechanisms to verify who accesses social media. I can tell you as the minister who speaks to social Media Companies, and tiktok was mentioned, i� m always very clear they must get on with the job and protect. Band im always very clear they must get on with the job and protect. On with the ob and protect. And if they donn on with the job and protect. And if they dont . One on with the job and protect. And if they dont . One of on with the job and protect. And if they dont . One of the on with the job and protect. And if they dont . One of the sanctions. On with the job and protect. And if they dont . One of the sanctions i i they don� t . One of the sanctions i read about this morning is a massive fine, attentive global revenue. Just give me a very quick answer and then we will come back to katie and sarah and other course. Give me a very quick example of the kind of transgression that would lead to a momentous fine. Tiara transgression that would lead to a momentous fine. Momentous fine. Two things i will sa on momentous fine. Two things i will say on that. Momentous fine. Two things i will say on that, first momentous fine. Two things i will say on that, first with momentous fine. Two things i will say on that, first with great momentous fine. Two things i will| say on that, first with great reward comes great responsibility and i� m clear to the social Media Companies that they must comply with the act and ofcom will have them to account. You� re right, it is a minimum of £18 million or 10 of global turnover, and there is criminal liability for senior managers, and there is also mechanisms for business interruption. So look, this is. Criminal liability for senior managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it is managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it is a managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it is a leading managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it is a leading Piece Managers did you say . Absolutely. This is why it is a leading piece of l this is why it is a leading piece of legislation. We are putting our teeth into this and we are saying get on with the job. I� ve always felt the social Media Companies need to get on with this. They shouldn� t have waited for the legislation, frankly. I know we will get onto sarah jane� s frankly. I know we will get onto sarahjane� s question but fundamentally there are lots of good things on the internet, lots of good things on the internet, lots of good things that social media can do but it has to be done in a safe way, if children are able access content around eating disorders or suicide, pornography or self harm content clearly that� s not ok. That is why we want to be more robust. Clearly thats not ok. That is why we want to be more robust. Criminal responsibility we want to be more robust. Criminal responsibility for we want to be more robust. Criminal responsibility for senior we want to be more robust. Criminal responsibility for senior managers,. Responsibility for senior managers, that� s interesting, that will surely concentrates on mines. Katie, by the time the legislation comes through, or whatever legislation gets through, your son will be 13. What are you afraid of him seeing . 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There is a huge worry for me that he might see something came up me that he might see something came up on me that he might see something came up on facebook the other day for me, these up on facebook the other day for me, these two up on facebook the other day for me, these two random naked ladies, and i dont look these two random naked ladies, and i dont look at these two random naked ladies, and i dont look at naked ladies, so ive ot dont look at naked ladies, so ive got no dont look at naked ladies, so ive got no idea dont look at naked ladies, so ive got no idea why that came up and im ust got no idea why that came up and im just worried got no idea why that came up and im just worried. You got no idea why that came up and im just worried just worried. You have every entitlement just worried. You have every entitlement to just worried. You have every entitlement to do just worried. You have every entitlement to do that just worried. You have every entitlement to do that if just worried. You have every entitlement to do that if you j just worried. You have every entitlement to do that if you want to do that because you are an adult and he is not. That� s the point on this, isn� t it . As i said early on, a frightening amount of Young Children are seeing stuff like that. Thank you so much, katie. Lucy in bristol, what effect has social media had on your children . I� sre bristol, what effect has social media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers. Media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers, one media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers, one is media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers, one is nearly media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers, one is nearly 18 media had on your children . Ive got two teenagers, one is nearly 18 andl two teenagers, one is nearly 18 and one is two teenagers, one is nearly 18 and one is to two teenagers, one is nearly 18 and one is 16. And both of them have given one is 16. And both of them have given up one is 16. And both of them have given up their smartphones. My 18 year