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You had to be getter, an excellent story that we talked about on yesterdays podcast. What is the story . On yesterdays podcast. What is the sto . , on yesterdays podcast. What is the sto . , story . Natalie elphicke cross last week, and story . Natalie elphicke cross last week. And the story . Natalie elphicke cross last week, and the paper story . Natalie elphicke cross last week, and the paper reported story . Natalie elphicke cross last. Week, and the paper reported that story . Natalie elphicke cross last week, and the paper reported that in 2020 week, and the paper reported that in 2020 she week, and the paper reported that in 2020 she had had a conversation with thenjustice 2020 she had had a conversation with thenJustice Secretary 2020 she had had a conversation with then Justice SecretaryRobert Buckland asking him to intervene with her buckland asking him to intervene with her husband Charlie Elphicks sexual with her husband Charlie Elphicks Sexual Assault allegations he was then facing and has since been convicted then facing and has since been convicted of. Then facing and has since been convicted of. ,. , convicted of. Number one, she said she did not convicted of. Number one, she said she did not think convicted of. Number one, she said she did not think it convicted of. Number one, she said she did not think it was convicted of. Number one, she said she did not think it was further convicted of. Number one, she said she did not think it was further to l she did not think it was further to those being held at the crown court, where it would get a lot of publicity, the first to be held at a lockdown, and she also felt that a very seniorjudge would throw the book at him, and she felt that, i am not sure im allowed to say these words. ,. , not sure im allowed to say these words. ,. ,. , not sure im allowed to say these words. ,. ,. ,. , words. You cannot use words out of context, words. You cannot use words out of context. But words. You cannot use words out of context. But you words. You cannot use words out of context, but you can words. You cannot use words out of context, but you can use words. You cannot use words out of context, but you can use words. Context, but you can use words. She allegedly said that she thought thejudge would be hard arse she allegedly said that she thought the judge would be hard arse and would be unfair on her husband. Henry, remind us why these allegations are actually so serious, we have a sitting mp who had gone to go and speak to the Lord Chancellor at the time, the justice go and speak to the Lord Chancellor at the time, theJustice Secretary, to basically say, can you make things a bit easier for my husband . Lets rewind a little further. If you have told me at the end of last weeks podcast that we would this weeks podcast that we would this week be discussing the defection of Natalie Elphicke to the labour party, i would have thought you off your rocker. What happened this week is completely extraordinary, i was sitting in the Press Gallery when keir starmer announced he was working the new labour mp for dover, and everyone looked around, and nobody had to listen across the floor, you saw a ripple along the tory benches as they tried to work out what was going on. So thats first the question of the fact that Natalie Elphicke is pretty red wine, but then very quickly conversation moved onto the computed circumstances in which she became an mp. She became an mp succeeding her husband, now ex husband, Charlie Elphick in the constituency of dover after he had been charged and later convicted of charges of Sexual Assault, and that is what this is all about, assault, and that is what this is allabout, it assault, and that is what this is all about, it is about claims that she denies, she lobbied the then Justice SecretaryRobert Buckland about how her husband was being tried, and separate claims that she will be someone else about how he was later being treated in prison. Obviously that is a massive no no for any mp, interfering obviously that is a massive no no forany mp, interfering in obviously that is a massive no no for any mp, interfering in the course ofjustice, and it is a very serious set of claims, is why on both of your programmes you talk about it so and it leaves keir starmer with a big problem. It gives the impression starmer with a big problem. It gives the impression the starmer with a big problem. It gives the impression the tories starmer with a big problem. It gives the impression the tories are the impression the tories are jumping ship, labour is on the march, and that she was the mp for dover, talking about immigration, proof that the conservatives plan on immigration is a disaster, except that 48 hours later, keir starmer is the one with awkward headlines about this, and only talked Tojonathan Ashworth this morning, she says its nonsense, but it is really awkward. She says it is nonsense, it is not her interpretation of events, i dont understand why remote Lord Chancellor did not raise this and why he is raising it now, which she still does not in her interpretation. Should be investigated interpretation. Should be investigated to interpretation. Should be investigated to make interpretation. Should be| investigated to make sure interpretation. Should be i investigated to make sure it interpretation. Should be investigated to make sure it is all absolutely above board, because either she has not come with truth or Robert Buckland who is akc and was the Justice Secretary and or Robert Buckland who is akc and was theJustice Secretary and Lord Chancellor, is not telling the truth. , ,. , truth. She says it is not her interpretation, truth. She says it is not her interpretation, it truth. She says it is not her interpretation, it is truth. She says it is not her i interpretation, it is nonsense. Truth. She says it is not her interpretation, it is nonsense. We were not there, if Robert Buckland has got more to say that, perhaps he should come out and offer his opinion and his reflections on it. If she was still a tory mp, i think a lot of our viewers might think the labour party would be shouting from the rooftops for an investigation, wouldnt you . The rooftops for an investigation, wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time. Wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time, the wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time, the tories wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time, the tories did wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time, the tories did not wouldnt you . This didnt come out at the time, the tories did not say| at the time, the tories did not say anything about it. Anything about it. There lot of eo le in anything about it. There lot of people in your anything about it. There lot of people in your party anything about it. There lot of people in your party are anything about it. There lot of people in your party are not. Anything about it. There lot of people in your party are not happy she has been welcomed in to begin with, and dont these allegations actually starts to create a sense that maybe keir starmer and your labour Leadership Team have made an Error Ofjudgment . Trio. Labour Leadership Team have made an Error Ofjudgment . Error of udgment . No. Her crossing the Error Ofjudgment . No. Her crossing the floor reveals Error Ofjudgment . No. Her crossing the floor reveals the Error Ofjudgment . No. Her crossing the floor reveals the extent Error Ofjudgment . No. Her crossing the floor reveals the extent to the floor reveals the extent to which we are witnessing a disintegrating and decaying conservative government. It is tric for conservative government. It is tricky for them, conservative government. It is tricky for them, isnt conservative government. It is tricky for them, isnt it . Conservative government. It is tricky for them, isnt it . We i conservative government. It is i tricky for them, isnt it . We spoke to rosie duffield, tricky for them, isnt it . We spoke to rosie duffield, they tricky for them, isnt it . We spoke to rosie duffield, they would i tricky for them, isnt it . We spoke to rosie duffield, they would mp i tricky for them, isnt it . We spoke | to rosie duffield, they would mp in the neighbouring constituency. She said a the neighbouring constituency. She said a lot the neighbouring constituency. She said a lot of the mps are furious, and further said a lot of the mps are furious, and further said that keir starmer needs and further said that keir starmer needs to and further said that keir starmer needs to listen more to his mps and less to needs to listen more to his mps and less to his needs to listen more to his mps and less to his advisers, which of course less to his advisers, which of course we less to his advisers, which of course we had over that and social Keir Starmers former Chief Of Staff on the Keir Starmers former Chief Of Staff on the saturday newscast. Yes, we soke to on the saturday newscast. Yes, we spoke to sam on the saturday newscast. Yes, we spoke to sam white on the saturday newscast. Yes, we spoke to sam white about on the saturday newscast. Yes, we spoke to sam white about it, i on the saturday newscast. Yes, we l spoke to sam white about it, nothing of people were not lucky enough to yesterdays episode, which you can still download in bbc sounds, we have rental Keir Starmers week the student was, brilliant, we have created this impression, we have got somebody across the floor, if we have run a few people on the left of the party in some of our mps are not happy about it, so what . We have got the story, the sensation, big tech, however it has a sense of driving into something a bit more conjugated, we had Nadhim Zahawi on the programme this morning, former tory chair, and a left wing labour mp, both of them agreed, they probably agree on almost nothing, but they both agreed that this is basically going to be a problem that wont go away quickly for keir starmer, David Cameron said, not our problem and David Cameron said, not our problem any more. That problem and David Cameron said, not our problem any more. Our problem any more. That is kind ofthe our problem any more. That is kind of the point. Our problem any more. That is kind of the point, isnt our problem any more. That is kind of the point, isnt it . Our problem any more. That is kind of the point, isnt it . The our problem any more. That is kind of the point, isnt it . The fact i of the point, isnt it . The fact that David Cameron said, when asked about all of the conservative party should have treated some of these allegations more seriously when she was a conservative mp, well, she is not our problem any more, it does speak to the mutual hypocrisy here, because as you said, jonathan ashworth, this story had come out a year or two ago, or even a week ago, the labour party would have been calling for an urgent investigation, an independent investigation, so conversely labour clearly do have a point, which is, whether all these can people with concerns about Natalie Elphicke when she was one of their colleagues . Nowhere, and that does notjust go for the set of claims, you had conservative mps queueing up to say how, basically how disgraceful it right when she was, that was basically what they were saying on wednesday, thursday, friday. But they didnt seem to mind when she was in there whats at grips. It doesnt show westminster in a great light, the circuit of hypocrisy. In a great light, the circuit of hypocrisy in a great light, the circuit of h ocris. ,. , hypocrisy. And also when someone nets an hypocrisy. And also when someone gets an interview hypocrisy. And also when someone gets an interview with hypocrisy. And also when someone gets an interview with robert i gets an interview with Robert Buckland, the question will be, why did you buckland, the question will be, why did you not buckland, the question will be, why did you not speak in 2020 . Exactly, if ou are did you not speak in 2020 . Exactly, if you are a did you not speak in 2020 . Exactly, if you are a government did you not speak in 2020 . Exactly, if you are a Government Law did you not speak in 2020 . Exactly, if you are a Government Law officer. J if you are a Government Law officer. I did put it to be done who broke the story. I did put it to be done who broke the story, women asks for something which the story, women asks for something which she the story, women asks for something which she did not get, that is the system which she did not get, that is the system working. She is not meant to ask, system working. She is not meant to ask. But system working. She is not meant to ask. But she system working. She is not meant to ask, but she has got a mouth, she is allowed to ask, but she has got a mouth, she is allowed to go into the room, she is opening her allowed to go into the room, she is opening her mouth and she was told to push opening her mouth and she was told to push off opening her mouth and she was told to push off. 335 opening her mouth and she was told to ush off. �. , opening her mouth and she was told to push off to push off. As henry says, it does not show any to push off. As henry says, it does not show any but to push off. As henry says, it does not show any but in to push off. As henry says, it does not show any but in a to push off. As henry says, it does not show any but in a good not show any but in a good light, and it is one of his stories where people go, you are all at it, you are all at it, youre all dreadful, but Ijust Wonderfor are all at it, youre all dreadful, but ijust wonder for Keir Starmers team, that this defection scoop, such as they have it, has maybe have the chain taken off at a bit. I suspect, and i dont know, she says again these claims are nonsense, but i would bet at least iop that there might be more to come on this. I have not spoken to many people around keir starmer about this mornings stories, but my hunch would be that people around keir starmer still think that on balance, it was worth it. The headlines they got on wednesday, the things they are obsessed with, like commercial and radial music headlines, where you never get three Sentence Descriptions of a story. The three sentences on wednesday afternoon, mp for dover obsessed with small boats quits conservative party, since keir starmer is better at handling small boats than rishi sunak where you maybe get three Sentence Descriptions. They will be delighted with that, they will see other thing else is nice. However, i think they maybe thought that Everything Else would be a days worth of labour mps quietly grumbling, and it actually turned out to be several days and bled into more scrutiny of her ex husbands case and how she handled that, and i think they probably did not quite anticipate that. All of this would be far more difficult for them if this defection had happe