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The Sunday Telegraph says Wes Streeting will tell doctors they have to work weekends well ask him about that later. He is working today, as you know. The archbishop of canterbury has told the observer that keir starmer should scrap the two child limit on Benefit Payments if elected. The Mail On Sunday say cuts have left the Ministry Of Defence without enough planes for a Planned Mass Parachute Drop to commemorate d day handy to have grant shapps here. And ahead of an important official report tomorrow, on the bbc website, theres the story of campaigners who fought for justice for victims of the infected Blood Scandal the Sad Story Of Su Gorman and steve dymond who did not live to see justice. There will be lots of coverage on that tomorrow across the bbc. Sticking with this week of pledges and platforms. It has been a big political week. And platforms. It has been a big politicalweek. If and platforms. It has been a big political week. 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Email us at kuenssberg bbc. Co. Uk or on social use the Hashtag Bbclaurak and well try and share some of of the converation later. Ukraine has been a huge issue and defence has been rising up the political agenda. Defence has been rising up the politicalagenda. In defence has been rising up the political agenda. In recent weeks there has been a new push with russian soldiers taking Back Territory from ukraine, where ukraine had already pushed him out. Again president zelensky has been asking western allies for more equipment, more support. Lets talk to the Defence Secretary, grant shapps. Good to have you in the studio. Russia has seized another village in the Kharkiv Region in the north east of ukraine. We spoke to leonid volkov, Alexei Navalny� s former chief of staff and he takes President Putin needs to show himself as being stronger than he really is, and the west has been blocked by this. How would you describe this push into kharkiv . I read that interview. He is absolutely right. Putin is bluffing this war by putting his entire economy onto a war footing in a way that isnt sustainable for russia over the years he would have to continue it for. Its important that the west does not blink. When you see what has happened in kharkiv, the second biggest city in ukraine, it is because, im afraid, the civilised world took their eyes off the balljust civilised world took their eyes off the ball just for civilised world took their eyes off the balljust for a little while, we saw how long it took to get that package through the us congress because of internal politics there, and this is the actual upshot, this is the result of waiting. You and this is the actual upshot, this is the result of waiting. Is the result of waiting. You are blamin is the result of waiting. You are blaming the is the result of waiting. You are blaming the us, is the result of waiting. You are blaming the us, then. Is the result of waiting. You are blaming the us, then. 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