0h, this election took them by surprise. Oh, my goodness, it was actual. It was quite oh, my goodness, it was actual. It was quite chaotic, i must say. This was quite chaotic, i must say. This was in was quite chaotic, i must say. This was in the was quite chaotic, i must say. This was in the grass market. If anyone is familiar was in the grass market. If anyone is familiar with edinburgh, it is down is familiar with edinburgh, it is down underneath the castle. Ancient part of down underneath the castle. Ancient part of the down underneath the castle. Ancient part of the city. We had so little notice part of the city. We had so little notice. , part of the city. We had so little notice just part of the city. We had so little notice. Just sort part of the city. We had so little notice. Just sort of l part of the city. We had so little l notice. Just sort of an notice. How little . Just sort of an hour at the notice. How little . Just sort of an hour at the venue. Notice. How little . Just sort of an hour at the venue. Its notice. How little . Just sort of an hour at the venue. Its not notice. How little . Just sort of an hour at the venue. Its not reallyl hour at the venue. Its not really fair to hour at the venue. Its not really fair to go hour at the venue. Its not really fairto go into hour at the venue. Its not really fair to go into this. Maybe it is i would fair to go into this. Maybe it is i would say fair to go into this. Maybe it is i would say before i do that ive had tusstes would say before i do that ive had tussles with other officers. Gf tussles with other officers. Of course. Tussles with other officers. Of course i tussles with other officers. Of course. I said tussles with other officers. Of course. I said on tussles with other officers. Of course. I said on this tussles with other officers. 0f| course. I said on this occasion, listen, course. I said on this occasion, listen. Its course. I said on this occasion, listen, its going course. I said on this occasion, listen, its going to course. I said on this occasion, listen, its going to be course. I said on this occasion, listen, its going to be a course. I said on this occasion, i listen, its going to be a very long six weeks listen, its going to be a very long six weeks if listen, its going to be a very long six weeks if we get in ours notice. Weve six weeks if we get in ours notice. Weve got six weeks if we get in ours notice. Weve got people up in the Highlands Coverihgm weve got people up in the highlands covering. They were running in as i covering. They were running in as i was covering. They were running in as i was saying covering. They were running in as i was saying this, with a yellow tecterh i was saying this, with a yellow lectern. Then they couldnt sort out the sound lectern. Then they couldnt sort out the sound in lectern. Then they couldnt sort out the sound in time. I think it looked 0k in the sound in time. I think it looked 0k in the the sound in time. I think it looked 0k in the end. And then it is ok in the end. And then it is a question 0k in the end. And then it is a question as 0k in the end. And then it is a question as to how ready you are to have question as to how ready you are to have everything. They have grids. Both have everything. They have grids. Both of have everything. They have grids. Both of you have everything. They have grids. Both of you will know more about the grades both of you will know more about the grades than i do. Political parties always grades than i do. Political parties always have grids. To be fair, they did say always have grids. To be fair, they did say since day one, they didnt know they did say since day one, they didnt know they would call an election. | know they would call an election. Wasnt know they would call an election. I wasnt using this as an opportunity to discard working professionals. We onlyjust had our oui our new graphics ready there and then. It was interesting, how these days work, it was rishi sunak doing all the Breakfast News Programmes and answering loads of questions. Today, it was keir starmer doing all the breakfast programme. There was one question that pretty much every programme asked, and it was all along the lines of who are you really. Here is how keir starmer answer that question. Answer that question. After the dama. E answer that question. After the damage thats answer that question. After the damage thats been answer that question. After the damage thats been done answer that question. After the damage thats been done to answer that question. 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I ive chosen that we will deal with the waiting ive chosen that we will deal with the Waiting Lists ive chosen that we will deal with the Waiting Lists and ive chosen that we will deal with the Waiting Lists and put ive chosen that we will deal with the Waiting Lists and put the ive chosen that we will deal with the Waiting Lists and put the nhsl the Waiting Lists and put the nhs back on the Waiting Lists and put the nhs back on its the Waiting Lists and put the nhs back on its feet. The Waiting Lists and put the nhs back on its feet. Back on its feet. Chris, give us our back on its feet. Chris, give us your review back on its feet. Chris, give us your review on back on its feet. Chris, give us your review on that back on its feet. Chris, give us your review on that morning. Back on its feet. Chris, give us your review on that Morning Round. I was struck by one word, which was caution. That was my word, not his. Very aware of any kind of fortune, very aware of not saying anything that would set particular heres running. Trying to explain away that familiar line of questioning which wont go away in this campaign, which is look at that list of things that you campaigned on. Therefore, why can we trust what youre promising now. That State Sentence of these questions. Ive asked those questions myself. His argument is about how things have changed since then. It was also talking to a different electorate, Labour Party Members rather than the wider country. But he has to find an answer to that question that is sufficiently convincing to if sufficiently convincing to if sufficient number of people, that is not something they are put off from. The other thing is not to do, how do you do the whole change thing, which is the word you see on every red placard and every lectern. How do you do the change thing that sounds like it is something worth changing to from the perspective of a voter, while at the same time being sufficiently reassuring that voting labour isnt any way frightening. But can sometimes be change that might come. Thats a tricky kind of balancing act. The chaos of the last few years, assuming there is a relatively small contingent of people who are pro chaos. I think thatis people who are pro chaos. I think that is kind of where he finds himself. I was intrigued by his interview. He was asked by Mishal Husain if you be inclined to follow some of the european leaders who have said that their countries would recognise the state of palestine. He began argument that sounded like the answer was yes. What he was saying very carefully was that the logic in advocating to state solutions, we would get to the point that there would get to the point that there would be a palestinian state because that would be the other state alongside israel. He was very careful to say it would be a safe and secure israel. I deferred to jeremy bowen to commentate on the middle east. Therefore, getting there, even though the answers but yes, was probably in the short term amounted to a no. Im yes, was probably in the short term amounted to a no. Amounted to a no. Im so sorry, i have to cough amounted to a no. Im so sorry, i have to cough james amounted to a no. Im so sorry, i have to cough james is amounted to a no. Im so sorry, i have to cough james is having. Have to cough james is having on air coughing have to cough james is having on air coughing moment. Have to cough james is having on air coughing moment. Get have to cough james is having on air coughing moment. Get that. Have to cough james is having on i air coughing moment. Get that man have to cough james is having on air coughing moment. Get that man a glass of water. Dont worry. This is how the sausage is made its interesting you mention his interview. I thought maybe that was keir starmer being slightly too thoughtful and honest, because he was trying to answer his questions which led you down some sort of cul de sac. I thought normally at this point, if listen to the question and talk about one of your key campaign pledges. I thought he was being a little bit too thoughtful. I was being a little bit too thoughtful. Was being a little bit too thoughtful. Was being a little bit too thou~htful. , � ,. , thoughtful. I suppose its an intriguing thoughtful. I suppose its an intriguing observation. Thoughtful. I suppose its an| intriguing observation. When thoughtful. I suppose its an intriguing observation. When youre summarising the line of questioning, its also what are you all about self. People tend to go up much less about you than they know about the other person. A Prime Minister is more prominent than the leader of the opposition. You have to use the campaign as a canvas on which to paint an campaign as a canvas on which to paintan Image Campaign as a canvas on which to paint an image of yourself. Probably, that means on occasion, you have to do that thing where you are willing to show an element of your workings in public and how you work through it through an argument. I think he would make the case that thats the kind of thing from his past. Just to set up the logic of argument. Do that and kind of a longform way. find argument. Do that and kind of a longform way argument. Do that and kind of a lonuformwa. � � , , longform way. And therell be plenty more interviews longform way. And therell be plenty more interviews with longform way. And therell be plenty more interviews with all longform way. And therell be plenty more interviews with all the longform way. And therell be plenty more interviews with all the party i more interviews with all the Party Leaders to look forward to. Including some in depth ones on prime time. James . Just including some indepth ones on prime time. James . Including some indepth ones on prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution. Prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution, there prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution, there were prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution, there were a prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution, there were a couple prime time. James . Just in terms of the caution, there were a couple of| the caution, there were a couple of things the caution, there were a couple of things that the caution, there were a couple of things that struck me, and one was about things that struck me, and one was about policy and the other was behind about policy and the other was Behind The Scenes. The first one is that in Behind The Scenes. The first one is that in terms of policy, caution, you can that in terms of policy, caution, you can understand why sir keir starmer you can understand why sir keir starmer thinks caution is sensible, but that starmer thinks caution is sensible, but that lends differently in different parts of the uk. If youre looking different parts of the uk. If youre looking at different parts of the uk. If youre looking at scotland where he is, you might looking at scotland where he is, you might argue, trying to win a lot of leftwing might argue, trying to win a lot of left wing voters and hes saying things left wing voters and hes saying things like theyre going to stick to the things like theyre going to stick to the tory spending plans, theyre going to the tory spending plans, theyre going to to the tory spending plans, theyre going to bring down immigration, he doesnt going to bring down immigration, he doesnt say going to bring down immigration, he doesnt say like the conservatives, but like doesnt say like the conservatives, but like the doesnt say like the conservatives, but like the conservatives. And we are going but like the conservatives. And we are going to continue some of the controversial welfare policies. You et controversial welfare policies. You get to controversial welfare policies. You get to the controversial welfare policies. You get to the point where caution might tregin get to the point where caution might begin to get to the point where caution might begin to be a bit damaging for you and allow begin to be a bit damaging for you and allow his opponents to suggest that hes and allow his opponents to suggest that hes use this in disguise. The behind that hes use this in disguise. The behind the that hes use this in disguise. The Behind The Scenes thing is the morning Behind The Scenes thing is the Morning Round as you were saying of interviews, Morning Round as you were saying of interviews, he did them from this building interviews, he did them from this building. Bbc scotland headquarters here~ building. Bbc scotland headquarters here i building. Bbc scotland headquarters here. I think he did six and they were here. I think he did six and they were all here. I think he did six and they were all programmes in england. Good morning were all programmes in england. Good Morning Scotland wanted to get in the load Morning Scotland wanted to get in the load of details, and his team said no the load of details, and his team said no. The presenters of good morning said no. The presenters of Good Morning Scotland were delighted because. He Morning Scotland were delighted because. �. ,. , Morning Scotland were delighted because. He i because. He didnt go on . He didnt do because. He didnt go on . He didnt do any because. He didnt go on . He didnt do any longform because. He didnt go on . He didnt do any Longform Scottish| didnt do any Longform Scottish interviews that i know of. Labour say he interviews that i know of. Labour say he will interviews that i know of. Labour say he will at some point. The Newspaper Reporters at the event it was at. Newspaper reporters at the event it was at. I Newspaper Reporters at the event it was at, i hesitate to call it an interview was at, i hesitate to call it an interview i was at, i hesitate to call it an interview. I was told you can have one question. I thought interview thats not an interview. We know how it thats not an interview. We know how it works thats not an interview. We know how it works. This is not unique to labour~ how it works. This is not unique to labour~ the how it works. This is not unique to labour. The Newspaper Reporters actually labour. The Newspaper Reporters actually had quite a long time in a room actually had quite a long time in a room, maybe 40 45 minutes. They were saying room, maybe 40 45 minutes. They were saying thats room, maybe 40 45 minutes. They were saying thats all very well, but they saying thats all very well, but they have saying thats all very well, but they have one question each as well. It they have one question each as well. It wasnt they have one question each as well. It wasnt like they have one question each as well. It wasnt like anyone can pursue. Its it wasnt like anyone can pursue. Its quite it wasnt like anyone can pursue. Its quite interesting how these things its quite interesting how these things are controlled. All Political Parties things are controlled. All Political Parties to things are controlled. All Political Parties to a certain extent to try to do parties to a certain extent to try to do that and a reminder the Newscast Team will be here every day during the election campaign. You can catch up if you miss an episode on bbc sounds or watch on the bbc iplayer. Weve had some Breaking News from parliament. The Leasehold Belt will be passed in parliament tomorrow. The other breaking election news in the last hour. The cabinet minister michael gove has announced that he is to stand down at the election he has served under david cameron, theresa may, borisjohnson and rishi sunak and ha