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but we are now making progress. the waiting lists are coming down. but what keir starmer didn't mention to you, which you did, julie... waiting lists were at 7.2 million. they're now 7.5 million. he says they're coming down and this guy says he's good at maths. yeah, they are. they are now coming down. 7.2... when you said you get them down at 7.2 million, they are 7.5 million. i'd like you to explain how they're coming down, because they were coming down from where they were when they were higher and they're now on the way down. they are down, right? you can actually see where they're both coming from here. this is the picture when it comes to waiting lists — just for england, by the way. you can see they go up quite significantly after the pandemic. they reached 7.8 million. you can see it's come down a bit here, but the levels now are higher than they were when rishi sunak took over as prime minister. he says that a lot of this is down