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BBCNEWS BBC News September 4, 2024

The city of potalva, in central ukraine. A military training insitute and nearby hospital were hit. This is the scene of the aftermath. A military communications institute was hit, along with a nearby hospital. Ukraine's armed forces confirmed soliders at the military institute were among the dead. The country's president volodymyr zelensky said those responsible for the attack would be held accountable. He also renewed his calls to allies for more air defences. The white house condemned the attack and said military assistance would be arriving to ukraine in the coming weeks. Nick beake sent us this report from the scene. The missiles tore through the ukrainian military academy at 9 o'clock this morning, just as lessons were starting, levelling huge parts of the complex and killing dozens instantly. Army medics battle to save the injured. Hold on, he shouts, you're a good lad. Tonight we arrived in a stunned city. The emergency services of poltava could do little more than clear up the wreckage. We met mikita, a cadet, who was inside the training centre when it happened. The second missile hit three seconds after the first, he tells us, i ran outside, there was smoke and dust everywhere. Lots of people were outside having a cigarette, and many of them were killed. Yana, one of the many locals whose windows were smashed. Ukraine has taken a body blow, too. Translation: it's very hard. I take it personally. My husband is fighting on the front line. Soldiers have died here, and i know there are still soldiers under the rubble. Their wives are waiting for them. Then, as we were moving location, another air raid alert blared, and the instant fear of another possible hit here. The air raid sirens have just gone off once again, and so a lot of the emergency services who are inside the building, clearing out the debris have now moved out, even though there are still some people we know underneath the rubble. President zelensky condemned the attack, calling the russians scum and promised to get answers. Translation: i've ordered i a full and prompt investigation into the circumstances of what happened. All necessary services are involved in the rescue operation. I am grateful to everyone who has been saving lives from the very first moments following the strike. President putin had vowed that punishment was on its way after the incursion into russia a month ago. And it seems it arrived today, in seconds, in the deadliest attack on ukraine for a year. Nick beake, bbc news. Evelyn farkas served as deputy us assistant secretary of defense for russia, ukraine and eurasia from 2012 to 2015. She's now executive director of the mccain institute for international leadership at arizona state university. She spoke to me a short while ago. Evelyn, good to have you with us. What we have seen is the deadliest attack in ukraine this year today. Do you see this as russia trying to ramp up its attacks before the winter? yes, absolutely. And of course, it is also revenge, if you will, because the russians are quite frustrated. The ukrainians have been striking oil depots, they have been striking into russia, and of course they invaded russia and they have been on russian territory for now coming onto a month. So i think the russians are taking revenge and they're trying to do everything they can to cripple ukrainian will and of course the will of all of us supporting ukraine. You mentioned there the operation in kursk and its month anniversary. From what you're seeing, do you think that what is happening there can end up prolonging this war or in fact bringing it closer to an end, in your opinion? i would think that it would bring it closer to an end but i am not going to say that it is going to come to an end soon, so it is closer than if the ukrainians had not invaded and seized this territory because it gives the ukrainians some leverage and puts pressure on putin today. Eventually, there will be a peace agreement, eventually the russians will have to give the ukrainians something in order to get their territory back so it has brought a peace agreement closer, i would argue, but of course that also depends on the ukrainians been able to maintain control of this territory. Absolutely, and on the homefront president zelensky has said once again today that this makes the case for further weaponry. He has also urged allies to allow those longrange weapons to be used for strikes deeper within russian territory. We know for example washington and berlin have been among those who have said that they are not comfortable with it at this stage. Do you see that line as movable at all? it has to be movable. I do not see the logic. I really do not see the logic. What would russia escalate to do? they are attacking ukrainian civilians, they clearly see no boundaries when it comes to the laws of war, so the ukrainians are well within their right to take out for example there are about 16 russian bases within range of the longer range missiles that we could give ukraine permissions to use against russia, so that would cripple russia's ability to strike and most of the time they are striking civilians or civilian infrastructure. Again, escalation, i do not see where they would escalate to? we know putin is not going to escalate to nuclear use, especially when it would involve fall back, literally, fall out, if you will, on his own territory. So i do not understand the hesitation frankly on the part of all the governments involved. Coming back to that point. What we're seeing is a nonnuclear country, ukraine, now carrying out an offensive within the territory of russia which is a nuclear country. So how can we be sure that he would not reach that far? because i do not think vladimir putin is that desperate and i do not think the russian elites are that desperate and ultimately the russian military would not obey a command coming from vladimir putin to use nuclear weapons against ukrainians which again would result in harm to russian soldiers, russian civilians, so the logic is not there for me. Yes, there might be some chance, you cannot rule it out 100%, but again, the stakes are so high. Every day ukrainians are losing their lives and it is notjust about ukraine and ukrainians, this is really important, we have to hold the line against russia because if russia prevails in ukraine, they will be emboldened to strike against republic of georgia, moldova and frankly ultimately nato countries. One other point i wanted touch on today. There are reports there is a major government reshuffle underway in ukraine. What do you make of that and why now? first of all, there is fatigue. Second of all i think president zelensky is feeling pressure and so he wants to make sure that the people who are working for him are loyal, that they are on their toes. I think ultimately that is probably what is going on but it is hard for me to tell from so far away. Coming back to that point in the discussion we were having about russian president vladimir putin. We heard from the german foreign minister annalena baerbock on x today and she said he must be held accountable. We know he has been in mongolia, a country which is a member of the international criminal court and he has not been arrested despite the fact there is a warrant out for him. Do you ultimately see that future accountability? there has to be. I agree with the german foreign minister. There has to be accountability. If mongolia gets away with thumbing their nose at the icc, which it's a member of, then it is a further strike against international law and accountability and as we know, the russians have already made severe dance in our regime. It is on very shaky ground as it is. It is really important that the international stands up and holds mongolia accountable and ultimately holds vladimir putin accountable. As we were discussing. Russian president vladimir putin arrived in mongolia earlier on monday despite warrant the international criminal court issued for the leader's arrest last year. It was his first visit to a country that is required to adhere to the international court's decisison but he's been welcomed at a lavish ceremony in the capital of ulaanbaatar and a spokesperson from the kremlin said it was not concerned that mr putin would be arrested during the visit. Kyiv has condemned mongolia's decision to not arrest the russian leader, accusing it of sharing responsibility for war crimes. Russia has been looking to build a gas pipeline through mongolia to china to increase its fossil fuel exports and compensate for losses of european markets. These due to sanctions. The united states has charged several hamas leaders in connection with the group's attack on israel on october the seventh last year. The justice department said it was indicting six hamas members with crimes including the murder of us citizens and conspiracy to finance terrorism and the use of weapons of mass destruction. Among the accused is ismael haniyeh, the hamas political leader, who was killed injuly, as well as his successor, yahya sinwar. Earlier today us state department spokesperson matthew miller said that both israel and hamas must be willing to find points of agreement to reach a ceasefire deal. There are dozens of hostages still remaining in gaza, still waiting for a deal that would bring them home. It is time to finalise that deal. The people of israel cannot afford to wait any longer. The palestinian people, who are also suffering the terrible effects of this war, cannot afford to wait any longer. The world cannot afford to wait any longer. Over the coming days, the united states will continue to engage with our partners in the region to push for a final agreement. Pros test over the death of sex is rally hostages in gaza continue with glee struggling with protesters in tel aviv. The prime minister faces the prime ministerfaces mounting the prime minister faces mounting pressure to have a ceasefire deal with hamas. The protesters demand they prioritise the lives of remaining hostages, this is one of the biggest displays of wartime dissent since the conflict erupted last year. Mr netanyahu says he is not backing down that the war must continue on concessions must not be made to hamas. I spoke to an expert on the middle east. He did protesting in israel continuing for the third straight day, publicly it seems from his comments the prime minister seems unmoved. Do you see that changing anytime soon? we know that he is sending negotiators to know how to continue the negotiations with the egyptians, qatari is an hamas representatives to further enable a deal to be achieved and yet publicly he is maintaining his position. Is still on the same bind he has beenin still on the same bind he has been in that any attempt to compromise on his position would risk undermining his coalition and topple this leadership. So he still remains in that bind. We leadership. So he still remains in that bind. in that bind. We know one of the key sticking _ in that bind. We know one of the key sticking points in that bind. We know one of the key sticking points as in that bind. We know one of| the key sticking points as the philadelphia corridor, today we had comments from bin against part of the war cabinet saying the corridor should not be used as a reason, that would stop the remaining hostages and getting them home. Does israel have any security options short of permanent control of that corridor? corridor? there are reports indicating _ corridor? there are reports indicating netanyahu corridor? there are reports indicating netanyahu has. Indicating netanyahu has designated his representatives and hard to negotiate a solution whereby israel does not need to take full control of that corridor in fact, would grant that as a concession, pending other concessions be granted in return. If there is anyplace we can see some compromise reached on the status of the philadelphia corridor that leaves major issues outstanding but that is more attainable in days to come. ~. a, a, a, come. Wanted to ask about the news development _ come. Wanted to ask about the news development united come. Wanted to ask about the | news development united states charging yahyah sinwar the leader of hamas and other senior members of the group for planning attacks in israel including the october seven attack, what you think that could for negotiations? it attack, what you think that could for negotiations? it will make the _ could for negotiations? it will make the position _ could for negotiations? it will make the position of could for negotiations? it will make the position of hamas i make the position of hamas difficult from a fundraising standpoint, given hamas is already a designated terrorist organisation in the us, the justice department case against them will bring additional resources of the us government to be in close of organisations, charitable and otherwise that have been open in the us to raise money that has been funnelled made its way to hamas or to those who support hamas it will be an attempt to cut down on those pipelines and resources hamas is used, and it does highlight the liability that hamas poses notjust the liability that hamas poses not just to the liability that hamas poses notjust to its own members but those who affiliate themselves with them. It will make it difficult for hamas to negotiate from a position it has been. I negotiate from a position it has been negotiate from a position it has been. . a, a, a, has been. I want to ask about the international _ has been. I want to ask about the international perspective | the international perspective on all of this the us, i should say the prime minister president biden was asked whether he believed mr netanyahu was doing enough to get the hostages home. He said rather bluntly, no, we know the uk is limiting weapon supplier, do you think that is weighing on the prime minister netanyahu, does that exert further pressure? i netanyahu, does that exert further pressure? further pressure? i think really the _ further pressure? i think really the pressures further pressure? i think really the pressures and | further pressure? i think really the pressures and large part coming from the israeli public, mobilising in the streets in protest of his intransigence and position on the negotiations, what you're seeing now is president biden and others echoing the frustrations of israelis themselves feel against the prime minister. And bringing additional pressu

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