Paddy are you there . We are not in space but we are. More stories this morning about donations and holidays and dresses and awkward embarrassing thing Is That the Labour Party would just wish would go away. Lets get under way with the Sunday Episode of new cast. Newscast. Newscast from the bbc. Hello, its paddy in the studio. And its laura in the newsroom in lovely liverpool. And its henry in a Portacabin Round and its henry in a Portacabin Round the and its henry in a Portacabin Round the back of the mens toilets round the back of the mens toilets in. You had your first Tv Interview with the deputy Prime Minister Angela Rayner. Why do you think shes been absent and how did it go this morning. We shes been absent and how did it go this morning. It go this morning. We always ask if they it go this morning. We always ask if they would it go this morning. We always ask if they would like it go this morning. We always ask if they would like to it go this morning. We alwaysj ask if they would like to come in the programme and whether it was because she didnt want to do it on a sunday or because the Labour Leadership didnt 100 trust what she might say on the telly, i dont know i never quite got to the bottom of it but we were very pleased to have at this morning. At such a time when notjust areas, as you say a momentous week and lots of the things that theyre doing on her desk but also uncomfortably for her she is one of the people about whom stories have emerged about her taking donations and free outfits, and there was some more detail this morning about Holiday Accommodation that she accepted when she went to manhattan, and the embarrassment for her. This morning she told us very strongly that she doesnt think she broke any walls, She Was taking accommodation from a friend of hers who happens to be a wealthy labour donor. I think She Was pretty unrepentant. I think She Was pretty unrepentant. Think She Was pretty unrepentant. Think She Was pretty unre entant. ~ ,. unrepentant. I think She Was mostly unrepentant. Unrepentant. I think She Was mostly unrepentant. She unrepentant. I think She Was | mostly unrepentant. She had this eye catching line that she had been this eye catching line that she had been overly transparent. She was had been overly transparent. She was essentially saying that the reason that She Was facing so many the reason that She Was facing so many questions is because the facts so many questions is because the facts are all there in the public the facts are all there in the Public Domain for people to see, Public Domain for people to see, because theyve declared them see, because theyve declared Them Alt see, because theyve declared them all. I did think that other them all. I did think that other points there was an element of contrition. She said she understood why people are work she understood why people are work that she understood why people are work that and why people were angry work that and why people were angry. And i think that struck me as angry. And i think that struck me as that wasnt the posture of the me as that wasnt the posture of the Labour Party and the posture of the Labour Party and the posture of Keir Starmer when questions were asked about him even questions were asked about him even earlier this week. I think that even earlier this week. I think that shows that there has been an awakening at the top of the labour an awakening at the top of the Labour Party that these stories could Labour Party that these stories could actually do them some quite could actually do them some quite serious political damage. Ithink quite serious political damage. I think that is what Angela Rayner i think that is what Angela Rayner was trying to acknowledge and perhaps beginning to stem with her interview with you this morning. Interview with you this Morning Interview with you this morninu. ~ , morning. All mps accept donations. Morning. All mps accept donations. What morning. All mps accept donations. What we morning. All mps accept| donations. What we have morning. All mps accept donations. What we have done is make sure that we are open and transparent about that. And that was why the Prime Minister made sure that he corrected the record when he was advised that he needed to do that. He actively pursued that and took that advice and i think thats the right thing to do. We want to make sure that the government are transparent. Irate government are transparent. We knew that Angela Rayner had gone knew that Angela Rayner had gone on knew that Angela Rayner had gone on holiday to New York and shed gone on holiday to New York and shed stayed in a flat belonging to a labour donor. The belonging to a labour donor. The sunday times this Morning Reporting The Sunday Times this Morning Reporting that She Was joined by An Reporting that She Was joined by an at reporting that She Was joined by an at that time labour mp, and there by an at that time labour mp, and there were some questions that time and there were some questions that time about whether she should that time about whether she should have declared that. The should have declared that. The parliamentary standards are potentially going to take a view potentially going to take a view of potentially going to take a view of that. Angela rayner is absolutely adamant she didnt break absolutely adamant she didnt break any rules. Ijust pick up on something in that clip there~~~ on something in that clip there. Angela Rayners Defence there. Angela Rayners Defence was that politicians have defence was that politicians have been taking these gifts for years. Have been taking these gifts foryears. I have been taking these gifts for years. I think it is really striking for years. I think it is really striking that three months into this new striking that three months into this new government you have a deputy this new government you have a deputy Prime Minister making the argument that all politicians are the same. I cannot politicians are the same. I cannot think anything further from cannot think anything further from the cannot think anything further from the case that the Labour Party from the case that the Labour Party pressed against the conservatives. Their whole argument conservatives. Their whole argument was that not all politicians are the same. They have politicians are the same. They have failed to draw the line underneath previous governments they have underneath previous governments they have also embroiled themselves in this. I think there themselves in this. I think there is themselves in this. I think there is this growing feeling that there is this growing feeling that theyve got themselves into more of a mess here than they into more of a mess here than they initially realised. I they initially realised. Think they initially realised. I think thats right, they initially realised. I think thats right, henry. I think thats right, henry. I think theres a lot of frustration that i was picking up frustration that i was picking up at how long it has taken some people around Keir Starmer to realise this was an issue. There are people in other parts of government that ive been speaking to you who think why did it take so long for the penny to drop. Even though Angela Rayner told us this morning that they dont think they broken any rules. Its not very convincing defence in the face of the public who are thinking why do politicians get free stuff anyway . I thinking why do politicians get free stuff anyway . Free stuff anyway . I disclose that i free stuff anyway . I disclose that i had free stuff anyway . I disclose that l had the free stuff anyway . I disclose that i had the use free stuff anyway . I disclose that i had the use of free stuff anyway . I disclose that i had the use of the that i had the use of the apartment that i had the use of the apartment and that i had the use of the apartment and i that i had the use of the apartment and i think. That i had the use of the apartment and i think i i that i had the use of the I Apartment and i think i was overly apartment and i think i was overly transparent. Apartment and i think i was i overly transparent. Despite it being overly transparent. Despite it being a overly transparent. Despite it being a personal overly transparent. Despite it being a personal holiday, l it being a personal holiday, because it being a personal holiday, because that it being a personal holiday, because that person it being a personal holiday, because that person is it being a personal holiday, because that person is a i it being a personal holiday,. Because that person is a friend had already because that person is a friend had already donated because that person is a friend had already donated to because that person is a friend had already donated to me because that person is a friend had already donated to me in i had already donated to me in the past had already donated to me in the past the past. Over on the radio we heard the past. Over on the radio we heard bridget the past. Over on the radio we heard Bridget Phillipson i the past. Over on the radio i we heard Bridget Phillipson who declared money for her birthday. In declared money for her birthday. Declared money for her birthday. Declared money for her birthda ,. birthday. In the case of the donations birthday. In the case of the donations that birthday. In the case of the donations that i birthday. In the case of the donations that i received birthday. In the case of the donations that i received i i donations that i received i appreciate donations that i received i appreciate it donations that i received i appreciate it was donations that i received i appreciate it was a appreciate it was a considerable appreciate it was a considerable suml appreciate it was a i considerable sum of appreciate it was a considerable sum of money appreciate it was a considerable sum of money and i appreciate considerable sum of money and i appreciate it considerable sum of money and i appreciate it was considerable sum of money and i appreciate it was a considerable sum of money and i appreciate it was a privilege appreciate it was a privilege to receive appreciate it was a privilege to receive those appreciate it was a privilege to receive those kinds appreciate it was a privilege to receive those kinds of. To receive those kinds of donations to receive those kinds of donations of to receive those kinds of donations of money to receive those kinds of donations of money to l to receive those kinds of i donations of money to Host Events~ donations of money to Host Events and donations of money to Host Events. And primarily donations of money to host| events. And primarily those donations events. And primarily those donations were events. And primarily those donations were used events. And primarily those donations were used to events. And primarily those. Donations were used to higher venues donations were used to higher venues which donations were used to higher venues which were donations were used to higher venues which were in donations were used to higher venues which were in central. Venues which were in central London Venues which were in Central London It Venues which were in Central London it is venues which were in Central London. It is expensive venues which were in Central London. It is expensive toi london. It is expensive to hire london. It is expensive to hire such london. It is expensive to hire such venues. London. It is expensive to hire such venues. [ london. It is expensive to hire such venues. London. It is expensive to hire such venues. I wonder if we should hire such venues. I wonder if we should talk hire such venues. I wonder if we should talk about hire such venues. I wonder if we should talk about policy | we should talk about policy because there is a massive budget coming and there has been talk of young people being encouraged to consider trades as much as they consider degrees. Will they be able to break out some policy . Will Policy Break out at the conference . I Policy Break out at the conference . Policy break out at the conference . ~ , conference . I think they will definitely conference . I think they will definitely hoping conference . I think they will definitely hoping that conference . I think they will definitely hoping that it conference . I think they will. Definitely hoping that it does. We did talk to Angela Rayner this morning about her big plans for housing. Theyve obviously wanting to do what previous administrations fail to do and start getting houses built in significant number. There is a challenge for them because although theyre doing all sorts of things. Changing the planning rules to try and speed things up. They not prepared to do what other governments have done in days gone by. Which is built houses themselves. She talked about the biggest waves of Council Housing being built but shes hoping to create the conditions for councils to do it themselves rather than government doing it. Thats the big that they want to talk about. Also improving the standards in rental. What i dont think were going to get though is tonnes of new shiny stuff. Not because they dont want to or because they havent got other plans that they want to put forward but because they just have a general election which had a manifesto which was full stuffed full of plans they had already worked out. Sometimes politicians give her policies to feed the pack. But because theyre just out of a general Election Campaign theyre not really going to do that. The tone we going to hear from politicians is largely going to be political storytelling rather than any new giant plans that theyve been keeping under wraps until this moment. We been keeping under wraps until this moment. This moment. Ive been told to exect a this moment. Ive been told to expect a lot this moment. Ive been told to expect a lot of this moment. Ive been told to expect a lot of hope this moment. Ive been told to expect a lot of hope from this moment. Ive been told to expect a lot of hope from the l expect a lot of hope from the podium. I expect a lot of hope from the odium.... podium. I agree with laura that there will be podium. I agree with laura that there will be some podium. I agree with laura that there will be some new there will be some new policy there will be some new policy. I picked up a hint that policy. I picked up a hint that keir policy. I picked up a hint that Keir Starmer will be focusing on education in his speech focusing on education in his speech. But i dont think there speech. But i dont think there will speech. But i dont think there will be bundles of new policy there will be bundles of new Policy I there will be bundles of new policy. I do think that there will policy. I do think that there will be policy. I do think that there will be a policy. I do think that there will be a new kind of message. Even will be a new kind of message. Even before the arguably, chaosm even before the arguably, chaos. Of this week. Even before chaos. Of this week. Even before then chaos. Of this week. Even before then there was some and because before then there was some and because there was a View Taking Hold that because there was a View Taking Hold that the government had been hold that the government had been too hold that the government had been too gloomy. We are in what everyone been too gloomy. We are in what everyone in been too gloomy. We are in what everyone in the Labour Party believes everyone in the Labour Party believes is a necessary task of identifying the floors in what theyve identifying the floors in what theyve inherited from the conservatives. They perhaps have conservatives. They perhaps have gone conservatives. They perhaps have gone too far in depressing people have gone too far in depressing people. Notjust the country generally but there have been reports generally but there have been reports of that message depressing Business Confidence and potentially investment. And so talking to people around the leadership, what they see as the task leadership, what they see as the task for this week, is not just the task for this week, is not just laying out again that there just laying out again that there are going to be tough choices, there are going to be tough choices, although i am sure we will hear choices, although i am sure we will hear them do that, but actually will hear them do that, but actually beginning to do more of talking about what the dividends will be from making those dividends will be from making those tough choices. I think you those tough choices. I think you will those tough choices. I think you will hear that running through you will hear that running through all the big cabinet speakers. A sense of where things speakers. A sense of where things are going to as well as how things are going to as well as how tough it will be to get there how tough it will be to get there... how tough it will be to get there... there. Growth is a big part of this governments there. Growth is a big part of this governments promise i there. Growth is a big part of| this governments promise so, there. Growth is a big part of i this governments promise so, if you get morejobs this governments promise so, if you get more jobs you this governments promise so, if you get morejobs you get this governments promise so, if you get more jobs you get a rise in living standards, thats the idea. So obviously there has to be some kind of shining city on the hill. The other thing Is That its still the case that injuly, the voters delivered a Knockout Punch the conservatives. The public did say very recently that they wanted to punish the conservative Party And Liz trust, in her 49 days did take the country onto Skid Row and we were accused of being a submerging market. So all thatis submerging market. So all that is true. I wonder, do you both think that this frenzy over freebies is actually going to be dwarfed by the economy, the budget the meat and potatoes of what a government does. . Potatoes of what a government does. . potatoes of what a government does. .. does. Thats certainly what the leadership does. Thats certainly what the Leadership Hopes does. Thats certainly what the Leadership Hopes and does. Thats certainly what the Leadership Hopes and perhapsl Leadership Hopes and perhaps some people listening and watching this will hope to. Of course, in the big picture, whats been going on round the nations addresses is Nowhere Nearas nations addresses is nowhere near as important as whether people can put food on the table. Whether Angela Rayner can get homes built by The End of her parliament. And at the Moment Wejust dont of her parliament. And at the moment we just dont know what the answer to the question is. If this verse the growing pains of a group of people who suddenly fi