Became incredibly. Some previous became incredibly. Some previous Labour Campaigns have been previous Labour Campaigns have been pretty personal as well. I dont been pretty personal as well. I dont think we are there yet. I think dont think we are there yet. I think some of the candidates, not all think some of the candidates, not all of think some of the candidates, not all of them, are a bit frustrated. This week is basically a hustling bonanza. They basically a hustling bonanza. They are basically a hustling bonanza. They are all speaking one after anothen they are all speaking one after another. There still arent really another. There still arent really those gloves off moments when really those gloves off moments when you really those gloves off moments when you will have them standing on stage together, competing to do each other down in front competing to do each other down in front of competing to do each other down in front of the Conservative Party in front of the conservative pa. ~. in front of the conservative pa. ~. party. We can all remember Rishi Sunak party. We can all remember Rishi Sunak telling party. We can all remember Rishi Sunak telling liz party. We can all remember Rishi Sunak telling Liz Truss| Rishi Sunak telling Liz Truss she was making a mistake with her go for Growth Plan in the leaders debate. No, you will be pushing Interest Rates to 7 or whatever. He predicted it. Rishi sunak has been silent from debate for the last three months. I said to laura yesterday, you Cant Move for a headline from tony blair. What did Kemi Badenoch say today that made headlines . Her really eyecatching that made headlines . Her really eyecatching statement, that made headlines . Her really eyecatching statement, i eye catching statement, i think, this morning i expect will provoke a lot of debate. She is essentially saying that the uk should take a dim view from excepting people from cultures that she describes as being less valid than our own. A country that many people see as something that is multicultural, somewhere we should respect all cultures. Clearly she knows, lots of our viewers will know, that people are going to find that controversial. What you mean by that . Who do you mean . She talked about cultures where women were not seen as equals and she even talks about somebody, people on the Election Trail already living in this country, when she knocked on the door, someone says you are going to have to talk to my husband. She used that as an example as a culture that as an example as a Culture Thatis that as an example as a culture that is less valid than a western culture. She thinks people coming to this country should have that. This kind of territory is traditionally very tricky and sensitive. For politicians. I think she absolute believes that. I also think from a political Point Of View there is a calculation here that this is the kind of thing her campaign believes many Conservative Members would like to hear and find interesting and provocative. I think there is a bit of an element as well that her campaign, Ithink Element as well that her campaign, i think they know they havent been making the running, even though she started out as the favourite, and they think, we have to get on to the territory of emigration where Robertjen Rex has been running so far. I think you are totally right. Robert think you are totally right. Robertjenricks has basically robert jenricks has basically made robertjenricks has basically made the running since the. After made the running since the. After the made the running since the. After the programme when he appeared on your programme. Gaming appeared on your programme. Gaming out the inevitable leadership contest. I think people leadership contest. I think people in the know saw that he was a people in the know saw that he was a strong candidate but they didnt was a strong candidate but they didnt expect him to dominate. But he didnt expect him to dominate. But he really has. The last 2. 5 months but he really has. The last 2. 5 months. He has been the one who has an months. He has been the one who has an argument, he has therefore been able to make the running therefore been able to make the Running In therefore been able to make the Running In the leadership contest. Kemi badenoch who would contest. Kemi badenoch who would have been seen as the favourite would have been seen as the favourite in earlyjuly, has lost favourite in earlyjuly, has lost that favourite in earlyjuly, has lost that momentum. She has also lost that momentum. She has also got lost that momentum. She has also got fewer mps supporting her than also got fewer mps supporting her than robertjenrick. That her than robert jenrick. That is the her than robertjenrick. That is the funny thing with this. Theyre is the funny thing with this. Theyre playing to tory party and the theyre playing to tory party and the members this week but actually and the members this week but actually the next two rounds of voting actually the next two rounds of voting are actually the next two rounds of voting are going to be conservative mps. Kemi badenoch, have you today, is trying badenoch, have you today, is trying to badenoch, have you today, is trying to appeal to Conservative Members, but in the first Conservative Members, but in the first instance she is trying the first instance she is trying to show conservative mps that if trying to show conservative mps that if they put her through to that if they put her through to that final that if they put her through to that final stage, she is the one that final stage, she is the one that that final stage, she is the one that can beat robert jenrick~ one that can beat robert jenrick. It is actually quite a complicated dynamic. We jenrick. It is actually quite a complicated dynamic. We had penny morden, complicated dynamic. We had penny morden, former complicated dynamic. We had penny morden, former Chair L complicated dynamic. We had | penny morden, former chair of The Party, a loss of form is knocking around The Party these Days. Penny morden tried, who is going to take on a roll of rebuilding The Party around the company, she was being very regally diplomatic and didnt want to say anything rude about any of the candidates, let alone the two sitting next to her here in the studio this morning. Butjake berry didnt give personal criticism. He said very clearly, he warned them against becoming a Campaign Group on immigration. I dont know if you would agree, i think there are a lot of Tory Mps who will have listened to Kemi Badenoch this morning and sought, saying some cultures are less valid than others . I am cultures are less valid than others . Iam not cultures are less valid than others . I am not sure about that. Im not sure about the territory that leads us towards as a party. These are difficult issues, they are sensitive issues, they are sensitive issues, and i know newcastle as well have their own views. Let us know. Some mps will have heard that and thought, i am not sure about going down the path into that kind of debate. There will be others, of course, that savings she says things that other people do not say. I want to tell you some of the reactions. They have been strong. An E Mail from james sang, laura, most people i know would absolutely support our view on our country and integration. A different E Mail says, what a and integration. A different E Mailsays, Whata Pair of nasty individuals they are. I hope neither of them get further in the race. That is the response of a different view, andy, to the focus on immigration from both of the candidates with us this morning. I candidates with us this morning candidates with us this morninu.... morning. I would hazard a guess that the second morning. I would hazard a guess that the second contributor that the second contributor there that the second contributor there is that the second contributor there is not a Conservative Party there is not a Conservative Party member. And probably is not a party member. And probably is not a potential Conservative Party not a potential Conservative Party supporter. That is with the attention with his leadership campaigns. A view in 4. 5 leadership campaigns. A view in 45 Years Leadership campaigns. A view in 4. 5 years time to being a member 4. 5 years time to being a memberof the 4. 5 years time to being a member of The Party. They wrestled member of The Party. They wrestled with member of The Party. They wrestled with how member of The Party. They wrestled with how to member of The Party. They wrestled with how to deall member of The Party. Tie wrestled with how to deal with the right. We were talking about ukip and the brexit referendum. Now they have got to be form and they have got the question of immigration. William hague, has said for a long time that the Member Shouldnt Be The One that pick the leader. There should be a Rule Change. Every time it goes to the leaders, they will pick lives trust. It to the leaders, they will pick lives trust. Lives trust. It is worth remembering lives trust. It is worth remembering that. Lives trust. It is worth remembering that william lives trust. It is worth remembering that William Hague was the remembering that William Hague was the person who introduced that rule was the person who introduced that Rule Change. It is clearly his political. This is now his his political. This is now his view his political. This is now his view. You might do as i say, his view. You might do as i say, not his view. You might do as i say. Not as his view. You might do as i say, not as i do exactly. A lot of say, not as i do exactly. A lot of people who agree with William Lot of people who agree with William Hague that they should have the sole right to pick their have the sole right to pick their leader. 53 of them are willing their leader. 53 of them are willing to their leader. 53 of them are willing to so publicly. Far fewer willing to so publicly. Far fewer of willing to so publicly. Far fewer of them are willing to do so publicly. I would be fascinated by what the ship looks fascinated by what the ship looks like. And also the slice of Conservative Members who are willing of Conservative Members who are willing to of Conservative Members who are willing to come to the conference. Clearly, this is. We are conference. Clearly, this is. We are not conference. Clearly, this is. We are not in an era of Mass Membership in the way that it was Years Membership in the way that it was years ago. We are also not in an was years ago. We are also not in an era was years ago. We are also not in an era of was years ago. We are also not in an era of political Party Nrenrset in an era of political Party Memset at the levels they were when memset at the levels they were when William Hague first canrem when William Hague first came when William Hague first came. A.. came. As a viewer and a listener. Came. As a viewer and a listener. L came. As a viewer and a listener, i am came. As a viewer and a listener, i am not came. As a viewer and a listener, i am not there. L came. As a viewer and a i listener, i am not there. You will probably be going up there. The voters havejust delivered such a massive Punishment Meeting to the Conservative Party, there is even a leaders speech. Rishi sunak showing up like he is just delivering a one speech. Laura, told me. It is incorrigible for me that there is no Conservative Leaders speech. A reminder of how quickly we are living from tardis time to the election. Also, you spoke to conservatives may be a month Ao Conservatives may be a month ago who conservatives may be a month ago who said, bit worried about these ago who said, bit worried about these leadership elections. Timetable is a bit. It is a Bit Odd timetable is a bit. It is a Bit Odd to timetable is a bit. It is a Bit Odd to choose your leader three Days odd to choose your leader three Days after odd to choose your leader three Days after the budget. Three Days Days after the budget. Three Days after the budget. Three Days after a leader has a chance Days after a leader has a Chance Notjust in parliament but on Chance Notjust in parliament but on bbc one. Bit odd that they but on bbc one. Bit odd that they are but on bbc one. Bit odd that they are choosing the leader ust they are choosing the leader just Days before the president ial election. I think now president ial election. I think now that president ial election. I think now that labour had enjoyed a few weeks of political difficulty, serious political difficulty, serious political difficulty, since Keir Starmer became difficulty, since Keir Starmer became prime and so you have even became prime and so you have even more became prime and so you have even more conservative mps saving even more conservative mps saying that they have really messed saying that they have really messed up here by not having their messed up here by not having their new messed up here by not having their new leader in place. Can you imagine given what has happened with the Labour Party and government, if the new Conservative Leader were announcing themselves to The Public announcing themselves to The Public on announcing themselves to The Public on wednesday, rather than public on wednesday, rather than taking part in yet another hustings than taking part in yet another hustings a month before finally we know hustings a month before finally we know who they are. It would have been we know who they are. It would have been a we know who they are. It would have been a gift we know who they are. It would have been a gift wrapped we know who they are. It would have been a gift wrapped up have been a gift wrapped up with a beautiful Velvet Bow and deliver to them on a golden platter. An incredible opportunity. As you say, they are still talking to themselves. They want to put themselves. They want to put them through their paces, doing dozen events, speaking endlessly at meetings and on the platforms, the idea that there are lots of Tory Mps that havent worked out which one is their favourite yet is something new . We talked about it yesterday, there is huge potential for one of them to do a cameron and had a massive victory or a massive disaster this week. They could propel themselves freshly to the front of the pack or have a complete shocker and write themselves out. We will see what happens in the next few Days. We out. We will see what happens in the next few Days. In the next few Days. We will move to in the next few Days. We will move to what in the next few Days. We will move to what henry in the next few Days. We will move to what Henryjust Move to what henryjust mentioned, troubles for labour. Many of their own making. A bit like when Rishi Sunak calls the general election in may. It has pretty much in The Rain will stop it has pretty much rained on Keir Starmer politically. Rosie duffield, the semi detached Labour Mp has now become completely detached. She spoke to laura, forgive me for new cast spraining. She said awful things in her letter about awfulthings in her letter about Keir Starmer. Awfulthings in her letter about Keir Starmer. You can absolutely about Keir Starmer. You can absolutely avoid about Keir Starmer. You can absolutely avoid his about Keir Starmer. You can absolutely avoid his own absolutely avoid his own clothes, we all can. I have seenjournalist clothes, we all can. I have seen journalist asking him and he hasnt answered, he hasnt actually explained. He doesnt have separate meetings with backbench mps. We are watching the telly at the same as everyone else. I havent seen anything that explains why that is ok and then to see us cutting the money to people who will earn a fraction of what we do. Ijust. It is massive hypocrisy. I cannot be a part of that. Hypocrisy. I cannot be a part of that.. of that. Stinging criticism from rosie of that. Stinging criticism from Rosie Duffield of that. Stinging criticism from Rosie Duffield for i of that. Stinging Criticism L from Rosie Duffield for Keir Starmer. I think your right to say starmer. think your right to say that starmer. I think your right to say that she was a semi detached Labour Mp to begin with detached Labour Mp to begin with. One of the competing factors with. One of the competing factors here is that it simultaneously, incredibly surprising, and not surprisingly at all. Not spicy at all surprisingly at all. Not spicy at all because she has been in open at all because she has been in Open Dispute with the Labour Party. Open dispute with the Labour Party, especially on womens rights, party, especially on womens rights, but on other things on the Organisation And Policy for years the Organisation And Policy for years. Under successive leaders. Years. Under successive leaders, she didnt like robin and she leaders, she didnt like robin and she didnt like starmer. On the other and she didnt like starmer. On the other hand, to do this within the other hand, to do this within three months of a general within three months of a general election victory, and for all general election victory, and for all the reason she said in her for all the reason she said in her resignation letter. This is really her resignation letter. This is really quite something. She will have gone, suppose Keir Starmer will have gone, suppose Keir Starmer becau