Few mInutes but for now, thank you for beIng wIth us. Jd vance and tIm walz, both us veterans of course, It wIll take place agaInst thIs MIlItary Backdrop where the us Is very much Involved. The MIlItary Backdrop where the us Is very much Involved. Is very much Involved. The us wIll be choosIng Is very much Involved. The us wIll be choosIng theIr Is very much Involved. The us wIll be choosIng theIr new. WIll be choosIng theIr new Commander In ChIef In the next four orfIve weeks. For Commander In ChIef In the next four or fIve weeks. For next presIdent of UnIted States. That sense of a polItIcal vacuum whIch Is partly whIle were seeIng thIs escalatIon In the MIddle East. My Colleague CaItrIona Perry Is In the us word that debate wIll be happenIng. What are you pIckIng up happenIng. What are you pIckIng up wIth concern at the top of the us PolItIcal EstablIshment rIght now because ObvIouslyjoe BIden Is crItIcIsed In some quarters for not doIng more to calm these tensIons whIch just seemed to be potentIally spIrallIng. Seemed to be potentIally spInnIng spIrallIng. ThIs Is the bIg Issue here, spIrallIng. ThIs Is the bIg Issue here, all spIrallIng. ThIs Is the bIg Issue here, all of spIrallIng. ThIs Is the bIg Issue here, all of the spIrallIng. ThIs Is the bIg Issue here, all of the us| Issue here, all of the us networks In the SpIn Room wIth us had planned coverage all day long leadIng up to thIs debate whIch gets In about 4. 5 hours tIme, I love that coverage has been shelved, they are goIng Wall To wall BreakIng News as we are ourselves on thIs major development In the MIddle East. So Its feedIng Into all of that, the campaIgns shIftIng slIghtly In terms of theIr debate preparatIon, and havIng answers ready to those InedIble old questIons on what they would do In thIs sItuatIon. We are seen as well efforts already to polItIcIse the reactIon, Donald Trump Is on the CampaIgn TraIl In wIsconsIn, spoken about thIs In a rally and just In terms of what youve been dIscussIng wIth the panel a lIttle bIt earlIer, he was feedIng on that notIon of what he called a nonexIstent presIdent and a nonexIstent presIdent and a nonexIstent VIce PresIdent who should be In charge he saId, but nobody knows whats goIng on. And he sang, you know, the StewardshIp Ofjoe BIden and Kamala HarrIs Is what has led to the sItuatIon we are seeIng In the mIddle East Today from the Democrat SIde of course those were a lot remarks from Joe BIden that you just played, I would antIcIpate It wIll probably hear from Kamala HarrIs at some poInt before the debate begIns, no offIcIal detaIls on that as yet but thats kInd of what that campaIgn are thInkIng. Theyve tweeted that photograph of, or a Central BIden In the SItuatIon Room workIng closely wIth Israel. In terms of the posItIons between the two campaIgns, when It comes to Israel, very lIttle daylIght between them. Both have spoken, but the presIdent Ial candIdates and deVIce PresIdent Ial candIdates have spoken In the past of rock solId support for Israel. Jd vance has a dIfferent posItIon when It comes to ukraIne. Hes not In favour of the full throated level of support, but he does have that posItIon when It comes to Israel, so dont thInk well necessarIly see the two CandIdates Clash as contInuIng as support for Israel as weve heard pledged from the presIdent just a lIttle whIle ago, but where we wIll see the clash Is the handlIng of matters that led to today. nd matters that led to today. And catrIna, matters that led to today. And catrIna. Just matters that led to today. And catrIna, just to matters that led to today. And catrIna, just to let matters that led to today. And catrIna, just to let you know what. Reuters Is reportIng the uranIan MIssIle Attack on Israel faIled and the us also wIth the same lIne, Joe BIden sayIng the us actIvely supported defence of Israel, the attack by Iran appears to have been IneffectIve. So they are sayIng as wIth the AprIl Attack by Iran, effectIvely the Iron Dome succeeded, that the IntellIgence on thIs IncomIng attack potentIally helped wIth that warnIng. I havent heard any confIrmatIons as to how much they knew that thIs was comIng beforehand, they have saId they werent gIven a formal warnIng by Iran and the IsraelI Army sayIng Its aIm was to kIll thousands of hIs cIvIlIans, Irans. What people are askIng now Is what comes next, what voIces are you hearIng on that . Next, what voIces are you hearIng on that . Well that Is the questIon, hearIng on that . Well that Is the questIon, and hearIng on that . Well that Is the questIon, and as hearIng on that . Well that Is the questIon, and as weve l the questIon, and as weve heard from Jake SullIvan the natIonal SecurIty AdvIser who had a lIttle brIefIng at the WhIte House earlIer, spoke ahead of the maIn whIte House Press BrIefIng there and saId he had to rush back to hIs desk because obvIously thIs Is a fluId sItuatIon, they are speakIng moment by moment wIth theIr IsraelI counterparts. As you say, unclear as to what notIce they had of thIs attack but It was enough for the us mIlItary to be In posItIon to help defend thIs. Weve heard from the pentagon that there were two us naval vessels that fIred off about a dozen or so Interceptors we are told, that we are able to Intercept those muscles whIch the pentagon says came from wIthIn around, so no questIon In the Pentagons MInd as to that. And we are told that the us mIlItary Is In close contact wIth Israel In terms of what those next steps wIll be, that they wIll be actIng together In thIs that the us mIlItary Is advIsIng and as we know the MIlItary AId has been there In terms of supplyIng Israel wIth what It needs for Its campaIgn In the last year there In the MIddle East and no questIon whatsoever In fact solIdIfyIng of what weve seen In recent weeks and months whIch there had been slIght waver In terms of the sItuatIon In Gaza and the focus on the humanItarIan sItuatIon, we havent heard many mentIons of that In the past few days. The focus Is entIrely whats happenIng In lebanon and thIs attack from Iran, no . At all the us mIlItary Is there standIng SIde By sIde wIth Israel gIvIng It what It needs, what It asks for at thIs tIme. Thank you very much. Im joIned now by lets Speak Noww to joanne held cummIngs, former mIddle East DIplomat. Can you tell me your response to what you have seen and how sIgnIfIcant Is It that we are seeIng Israel say that there wIll be a response, just read you one more lIne from reuters sayIng Israels Israels boys sang theIr response wIll be notIced, everyone askIng what does that mean In practIce. nd does that mean In practIce. And that Is absolutely does that mean In practIce. SItuc that Is absolutely the questIon. The use of rhetorIc, the usage of hyperbole and sometImes the usage of coded language that means dIfferent thIngs to dIfferent groups Is become IncreasIngly apparent over the last few months In Israel. Not that Its not used In Iran as well. I thInk that what Israel Is tryIng to. To show to Iran Is that they have the abIlIty to respond. Whether or not they choose to do so, I thInk wIll depend on whether they are actIvely seekIng to engage the UnIted States In a regIonal war. The UnIted States does not want there to be a regIonal war, the admInIstratIon has made thIs very clear. It wIll not be to anyones benefIt IncludIng Israels, but there have been efforts In the past two get the UnIted States to sort of be the backer In a conflIct between Israel and Iran, whIch Israel says they belIeve Is necessary for theIr own ProtectIon And Iran feels also threatened by some of that rhetorIc. The challenge really Is that we have groups that are backed by Iran that are beIng presented In some ways as beIng near extensIons of Iran but In fact each of those groups has theIr own Issue, they are own resentment, theIr own anger and they are takIng uranIan support and sometImes guIdance In the cause of that Issue. So Its very dIffIcult rIght now wIth the EscalatIon ProceedIng so quIckly to tease apart these elements but for there to be a sustaInable polItIcal dIplomatIc solutIon, we have to put the effort Into doIng that. And In terms of gettIng messages to Iran, If Israel does not respond, how effectIve Is the Set Pressure on Iran goIng to be from the us, because weve heard talk of a potentIal Cease FIre In Gaza has been one means of tryIng to dampen any prevIous IranIan response. And yet, they also wIll not want to be seen to be losIng face and they do have a lot of proxIes as you say In the regIon to all, of course he Is there mIlItary prowess agaInst Israel dIrectly. Absolutely true. There Is a. There Is a network that has been carefully developed In case there Is need, In case Iran feels there Is should be a concerted effort. Has bullIs showed In response to Israels attacks In Gaza followIng the Hamas Attack on Israel on october 7, Hamas Attack on Israel on october7, hezbollah Hamas Attack on Israel on october 7, hezbollah was goIng to Increase the cost to Israel of doIng that bombardment. ThIs then has turned Into a conflIct dIrectly wIth hezbollah, wIth terrItorIal claIms In Southern Lebanon. So Iran, the questIon Is goIng to be whether they are able to say to theIr people, we have achIeved somethIng. If they are able to do that, If they are able to do that, If they are able to do that, If they are able to say we have been able to get the bombardment of gaza to stop, we have been able to protect the people In lebanon, weve been able to do somethIng, then Its much easIerfor them to able to do somethIng, then Its much easIer for them to lIsten to the escalatory suggestIons from other countrIes. It also depends on what they are hearIng from russIa and from other countrIes that deal wIth them more closely. ThIs Is one place that the UnIted States Is. Has tIed Its own hands by not havIng dIrect lInks wIth the government In tehran. What does the polItIcal the government In tehran. What does the polItIcal tImetable In the us do to all thIs . The fact that we are seeIng an the next four or fIve weeks In electIon, does that mean thIs Is part of the explanatIon for what were sayIng, agreeJoe BIden has my cans are lImIted gIven thIs Is a very dIvIsIve Issue polItIcally and they wIll be worrIed about that for the electIon comIng up. Its electIon comIng up. Its certaInly electIon comIng up. Its certaInly an electIon comIng up. It s certaInly an IncredIbly dIffIcult tIme for thIs to be happenIng just In terms of amerIcan polItIcs. As I thInk someone else noted, we have the VIce PresIdent Ial Debate TonIght whIch normally would not be a crItIcal foreIgn polIcy Issue, but I am sure that there wIll be Sabre RattlIng and there wIll be efforts to propose ways of reachIng a medIated solutIon. So I for see that happenIng. The problem Is goIng to be that wIth all the preparatIons for the debate, thIs Is probably not an element that has been dIscussed. So neIther candIdate for VIce PresIdent Is goIng to want to be ahead. Let for VIce PresIdent Is goIng to want to be ahead. For VIce PresIdent Is goIng to want to be ahead. Let me Ust Cut Ou Want to be ahead. Let me Ust Cut you off. I want to be ahead. Let me Ust Cut you off. Rm want to be ahead. Let me Ust Cut you off, Im sorry, I want to be ahead. Let me jUst Cut you off, Im sorry, thank. Cut you off, Im sorry, thank you so much. Let me take It to the us, Kamala HarrIs Is speakIng now. I the us, Kamala HarrIs Is speakIng now. The us, Kamala HarrIs Is sueakIn now. speakIng now. I condemn thIs attack equIvocal speakIng now. I condemn thIs attack equIvocal globally speakIng now. I condemn thIs attack equIvocal globally Iran | attack equIvocal globally Iran Is a destabIlIsIng force In the MIddle East, Todays Attack on Israel for the demonstrates that fact. EarlIer today I was In the SItuatIon Room wIth PresIdent BIden and our natIonal securIty team. As we monItored the attack and real tIme and ensured the protectIon of us personnel In the regIon Is paramount. I fully support PresIdent BIdens orderfor the us mIlItary to shoot down IranIan mIssIles targetIng Israeljust as we dId In aprIl. We are stIll assessIng the Impact but InItIal IndIcatIons are that Israel wIth our assIstance was able to defeat thIs attack. Our joInt defences have been effectIve. And thIs operatIon and successful cooperatIon saved many Innocent lIves. As I have saId I wIll always ensure Israel has the abIlIty to defend Itself AgaInst Iran and Iran backed terrorIst mIlItIa. My Iran backed terrorIst mIlItIa. My commItment to the securIty of Israel Is unwaverIng. And let us be clear Iran Is not only a threat to Israel It Is also a threat to amerIcan personnel In the regIon, amerIcan Interests and Innocent cIvIlIans across the regIon who suffer at the hands of Iran based and backed terrorIst proxIes. We wIll never hesItate to take whatever actIon Is necessary to defend us forces and Interests AgaInst Iran and Iran backed terrorIsts. And we wIll contInue to work wIth our allIes and partners to dIsrupt Irans aggressIve behavIour and hold them accountable. Thank you. Hold them accountable. Thank ou.... you. Kamala harrIs, the democrat you. Kamala harrIs, the Democrat PresIdent Ial. You. Kamala harrIs, the Democrat PresIdent Ial NomInee of course gIvIng that statement, that BrIef Statement sayIng she was clear eyed, Iran Is dangerous and destabIlIsIng, that Israel wIth amerIcan assIstance was able to defend Israel agaInst the IranIan attacks. Let mejust Israel agaInst the IranIan attacks. Let me just go Israel agaInst the IranIan attacks. Let Mejust Go Back Israel agaInst the IranIan attacks. Let me just go back to joann cummIngs, former mIddle East DIplomat for the MIddle East, your response to that, I hope you can hear that statement from Kamala HarrIs. I could hear most of It. I thInk that she, she saId everythIng that she, she saId everythIng that needs to be saId. She saId that needs to be saId. She saId that the UnIted States was lookIng at thIs not from an IdeologIcal perspectIve, but that lookIng at the Interests of the UnIted States and Interest of countrIes In the regIon requIres that we not have an escalatIon. In other words, that the mIssIles comIng from Iran not Impact In Israel and that we fInd ways that are not Involved In a major armed response. Thats my gloss on what she was sayIng, she dId not use those words but I thInk Its ImplIcIt In her statement that the UnIted States Is goIng to support Israels defence. I thInk she Is tryIng to make It clear that the UnIted States does not want thIs to escalate Into a regIonal war, partIcularly one that requIres the UnIted States to be more actIvely Involved In actually InvolvIng troops In the conflIct. ConflIct. But are we effectIvely conflIct. But are we effectIvely sayIng. ConflIct. But are we I effectIvely sayIng now conflIct. But are we effectIvely sayIng now the us and Israel In dIrect confrontatIon wIth Iran . Thats what Its lookIng lIke, Isnt It . Its lookIng lIke dIrect MIlItary ActIon here. Its It . Its lookIng lIke dIrect MIlItary ActIon here. Its a. Its a trIcky MIlItary ActIon here. Its a. Its a trIcky poInt, MIlItary ActIon here. Its a. Its a trIcky poInt, but MIlItary ActIon here. Its a. Its a trIcky poInt, but Its. Its a trIcky poInt, but Its an Important one. ShootIng down mIssIles Is not aggressIon. So for the UnIted States to shoot down mIssIles, jordan shot down IranIan mIssIles In the past, jordan Is not at war wIth Iran. Jordan Is not at war wIth Iran. Jordan Is not at war wIth Iran. Jordan Is certaInly not at war on half of Israel. SometImes what you want to do Is to keep mIssIles from ImpactIng because that wIll be escalatory In and of Itself. It wIll enable the other country to say we have no choIce but to respond. We do not want Israel to be In the posItIon where they are sayIng we have no choIce but to respond. There wIll be people In the IsraelI government who are goIng to say that. But the IntentIon of the unIted States IntentIon of the UnIted States In blockIng those IncomIng mIssIles Is not to be at war on the sIde of Israel, but to reduce the lIkelIhood that there Is goIng to be a regIonal war at all. There Is goIng to be a regIonal war at all war at all. Just stay wIth us, Im goIng war at all. Just stay wIth us, Im goIng to war at all. Just stay wIth us, Im goIng to brIng war at all. Just stay wIth us, Im goIng to brIng In our war at all. Just stay wIth us, l Im goIng to brIng In our other two Guests TonIghtjust to say that Reuters News Agency Is sayIng that the IsraelI prIme MInIster Mr Netanyahu saId Iran made a bIg MIstake TonIght and they wIll pay for It. Brett bruen, we are sayIng condemnatIon of Iran from the us and from European AllIes of Israel. One presumes behInd the scenes theres a lot of pressure now on Israel not to have a mIlItary response. Do you thInk theres any chance of those allIes succeedIng . I thInk there stIll Is a chance, and thInk there stIll Is a chance, and thrats thInk there stIll Is a chance, and thats what makes the next several and thats what makes the next several hours so Important, that several hours so Important, that the several hours so Important, that the message get through. I thInk that the message get through. I thInk what you wIll hear from the WhIte House and those prIvate the WhIte House and those prIvate conversatIons wIth IsraelI prIvate conversatIons wIth IsraelI offIcIals Is we dId both IsraelI offIcIals Is we dId both In IsraelI offIcIals Is we dId both In our defensIve operatIons as well as In some of these operatIons as well as In some of these strong statements from PresIdent BIden, VIce PresIdent harrIs, PresIdent BIden, VIce PresIdent harrIs, come to your aId. But It Is harrIs, come to your aId. But It Is Important that you not worsen It Is Important that you not worsen the sItuatIon. But do ou worsen the sItuatIon. But do you thInk worsen the sItuatIon. But do you thInk In worsen the sItuatIon. But do you thInk In that worsen the sItuatIon. But do you thInk In that case worsen the sItuatIon. But do you thInk In that case they I worsen the sItuatIon. But do I you thInk In that case they are wIllIng to say, IsJoe BIden goIng to say, If you now launch further MIlItary ActIon AgaInst Iran, that we wIll actually pause the money, we wIll pause the MIlItary SupplIes . The MIlItary SupplIes . Look, there are the MIlItary SupplIes . Look, there are several the MIlItary SupplIes . Look, there are several layers the MIlItary SupplIes . Look, there are several layers and| there are several layers and thIs there are several layers and thIs Is there are several layers and thIs Is what I was gettIng up before thIs Is what I was gettIng up before I thIs Is what I was gettIng up before. I thInk a lot of the crItIcIsm before. I thInk a lot of the crItIcIsm of both prIme MInIster Netanyahu as well as some MInIster Netanyahu as well as some of MInIster Netanyahu as well as some of the IsraelI MIlItary OperatIons up to thIs poInt has been operatIons up to thIs poInt has been done prIvately. And thIs Is one been done prIvately. And thIs Is one