About the fact that we want to make europe a little better, well, and if it doesnt want to, then for how long, you know, whereas they used to say in the old days, whoever doesnt want to voluntarily, we wildly apologize, but still, well talk a little more about ukraine, zelenskys fiveyear term of office expires in may, may 20, yes, yes, he doesnt want to go to the polls, what do you think about the figure of zelensky in general at this historical stage, you know, in 1919 i. Sumbatich is all good, what a napoleon he doesnt come out of corporate parties here , thats it, hes a libertarian, hes there for marijuana, i say , what does this have to do with it, look carefully, it means that the epiphany began at the first normandy format, its also the last one with his participation, because the representative of russia , a very famous person, came out and said this khlestakov, lightness. He was extraordinary , i still hoped that maybe, okay, he didnt want to listen to us, i honestly thought that maybe he would listen to lukashenko, and he listened to him, which is the most interesting thing, and nodded, then what happened, the napoleon complex, he began to be rude, and, initially, yes, this is this interview, when. India, what, what did churchel look at, carefully, at the one asking the question, said, the state, stop it, this is territory , its not, thats the same thing he had the state, along with belarus, is a cofounder of the un, and he turned it all into territory, its scary, because its not that people are in an altered psychophysical state, they will come out after some time. The scary thing is that the prospects of the state have been destroyed. Do you think that ukraine will cease to exist as a state . Mean by the concept of the ukrainian state . In the end, excuse me, there is a belarusian rada in exile, churvila, shes beautiful there, how old is she 94 years old, she also considers herself, excuse me, a representative of the belarusian authorities, well, that is, will ukraine be a subject of politics, or will it still be like we are now, lets conditionally, lets say yes, now we can dream up, a simple option, yes, poland takes the eastern part, golicia and volyn, romania takes it. The chernovidsky region, in the end, was donated by the fuhrer of the great german reich adolfovich hitler. Ukraine may exist, for example, in the format of the zhytomyr region, vinnytsia region and a couple more, can it be politically subject, well, even monaco will be politically subject, another question is how much this state will be precisely a state as such, and not a bandustan, because let s not forget, no one. Movement, but you understand that now such methods and norms are impossible, because this generally contradicts the western understanding of democracy, but how will you do it differently . Here is an important question, but you have all this banditry, it is already enshrined in law, plus imagine, a 10yearold person is told only one thing you are lucky, you were born ukrainian, the whole world owes you. And then finds out that the whole world doesnt owe you, and youre already in this state of euphoria, you dont need to do anything, you understand what the difference is between belarus and ukraine, Alexander Grigorievich constantly talks about how we need to work better, we need to develop, if we can work in principle, yes, if something doesnt work out for us, lets borrow, but we have to work. Still in the green van is a living witness to the child of your frivolity, and zelensky knows too much, and he should not, under any circumstances, start Something Like that tell us, now we will take a short break, after a short pause, we will return to the conversation again, for now, subscribe to our telegram channel, say dont be silent, look for all our episodes on the belarus 1 Youtube Channel on the Belarusian Radio Company website. On the air again, say dont be silent, our guest is a brilliant blogger, famous publicist, historian, armen gosporyan. The question is that the belarusians, as you said, woke up and somehow quite quickly, and you, following the ukrainians , noticed changes during this svo, so that they changed their point of view, such as as it is fashionable to say, they are seeing the light, you see, it is very difficult to do, because for any, here again, yes, its the twentieth year, we talked with the belarusians, the belarusians listened, we did not call for something, we did not put gods message into our heads thats it, we just told what we ourselves see, yeah, what we went through and gave a forecast of how it would develop, every next day showed that everything we said was so. Ukraine is a different story. Postmaidan ukraine, living according to the principle remember foreigner here the ruler is ukrainian. By alien can be understood anyone, even a native of ukraine. With all this, deep down, there is a plan b, if anything happens, the russians come, we will take it again and the russians will help. Listen, i sincerely saw the light in 2016 year, when one wellknown ukrainian political scientist told me live on air your. Greatgrandfather is buried in kharkov, so you will come and restore him, nothing has happened yet, yes, that is, there is nothing left to restore, and he already knows this, well, what a terrible psychology, consumerism after all, you understand, a native of the kherson region, if my memory serves me right, Lev Davidovich trotsky, once very accurately noted that one only has to give the little russian peasant, this merchant at heart, the opportunity to do something. Something contrary , and then you wont end up with problems, thats exactly what happened, you know, what also amazes me is this psychology of ukrainians, i recently talked with a man who has been delivering humanitarian aid to donbass since 2014, he told stories , when the russian army was already retreating from kharkov and he says that before this there were children standing, they were greeted with russian flags, when the russian ones had already left. I assure you that these same children will then again stand with russian flags, all these partygenos from the same kharkov, they will rip open the lining of the jacket, take out the desks a ticket of the communist party of the russian federation, a letter of gratitude from the administration of the president of belarus will be taken out of the parquet, this is the kind of public, you understand, you cant do anything with it, it was there 100 years ago. Such, if we continue the topic of restoring ukraine after the great patriotic war, who will be there . Russia, well i i think moscow, minsk, the allies, who else will be involved in this, well, lets be honest, well, the state department will allocate money for restoration, they have restored at least one country that they are only destroying, iraq, egypt, libya, syria, afghanistan, serbia and so on, in the postsoviet space, no, who said that they would finance the restoration of ukraine , we live with this trauma, we didnt understand what was happening, you know, none of us realized then in december of ninetyone year, which means descent flag, we were not aware of it, absolutely , that is, despite the fact that we were all already running around here, yeltsin and kabetz were with us, trikalor on the lapel, it was all there, but we did not understand what the collapse of the country was, i can tell you, when i realized this was the beginning. You must dream of shooting him, and then you go out onto the boulevard and see that ose osbronn is coming to moscow, and you think, wait, where are they lying to you at school, or here, if here, then uncle the policeman has to tear it all down and find out who committed this criminal act, and you come home, you turn on the tv, you see an advertisement that really comes, you are immediately repulsed by the authorities, because you are young, you are 14 years old, and the authorities. Lie blatantly in your eyes, and you immediately become different, yes, this is such a youthful rebellion, in general, you could light matches about me, there were no bazaars, there were no bazaars compared to me, i was ready to deny anything, armun sumbatovich, if we talk about trust, the minsk agreements, not only that they were not implemented, moreover, merkel, oland voiced that they had no intention of fulfilling them if they sat down negotiating table, but how to negotiate with them . Is it either International Law, which does not exist, on the basis of which International Law does belarus receive sanctions, this is an important question, yes, or is it a question of political trust, it exists today, no, then excuse me, how can we get together with you . Listen, this also sincerely amazes me, that is, since 2008, cia officers have been sitting in the sbu building in kiev, this was when valentin nalevaichenko first came to the post of head of the Security Service of ukraine. Noise, delight, these are some statements, this exactly because that was the purpose , it seems to me that the leak was actually from scholz, this was done on purpose, of course, firstly, he got away with it, he says what kind of missiles, cant you see that there are russians on their hind legs what kind of missiles are there, what are you talking about, and secondly, he thereby cut off his comradesinarms in the Traffic Light Coalition from this big guy. And third, which is important, he regained the information throne immediately after macron climbed into it, because the president of france, who has a wife and mother in one bottle, was waving a flag there that he will be the chief in support of ukraine, i received from everyone from lub, even from estonia, this is generally a big rarity, and scholz, so to speak, presented him with allaverdy, my question is this information noise, does it influence something or not, or as she said. Further after this time has passed, i think not, but you know, in the world now there are no people more daring than us, we have challenged everything, we know, such a collective dartanian, we are in a state like this , we are on our own, we are fighting because, and we were brought to this, we we didnt want it, we didnt want it, we how many. They suggested, lets resolve the issue , we were told all the time, this is actually, you know, again, so that every belarusian understands, this is what Alexander Grigorievich said, the more you build training bases here, for each with money, you will definitely expect me to serve the next president ial term, okay, they have brought it, they say, you can often hear that russia alone is fighting the entire collective west, alone, we feel support. We are not alone, thats for sure absolutely, then a lot of people of good will in the world support, look at these sports games in russia, the Youth Festival and so on, its just that for many it is now very dangerous to admit that he is morally or mentally with the russian, because thats who we are , as it is with melentin, and since the invasion of the huns, europe has not seen such horror, this is us, but in fact we are kind, good, but still armen, how many people come, no matter what, no matter what it is dangerous, even the same games, but in sochi or Youth Festival, which already has the first victim, already in latvia members of the hockey team were kicked out of this, let them drink soda, it helps with heartburn, we remain the same. The people who we were, there was a very strong christian, real russian in us. The beginning that moved us, we remained so, and arman, thank you very much again for the fact that we are the first belarusians who interviewed you after the wellknown events of the twentieth year, and i would like our forecasts to be less apocalyptic, that is it . Yes, tatyana shcherbina, victoria popova, we say goodbye to you for today, goodbye, goodbye, Armen Gasparyan is speaking now, dear belarusian friends, you know, i will be different from all, probably, the guests of this wonderful program. I wont wish you anything, you already have everything, save what you have, think with your head, live with your heart, this is the most important thing, i repeat, Everything Else is in your hands, and the fact that we love you in russia , in my opinion, it is absolutely no secret for you, i hope to come soon. 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Iskra markovna , im so glad that youre here, ive come to personally make sure that you ll be served normally in some time, its a mess here, its high time to breathe some new life into this place, a new life, but this is the best atelier moscow. Here the best people of the union hang out and not a single complaint, only gratitude, but then how can you explain that the young lady is still not dressed . The young lady is just dressed, were selecting underwear to please the groom, and youre the groom, thats right, yeah, but were distracted, bring out all the clientele, well have an urgent recount, we need to figure out what youre entrusting to me here, im from mikhailov for jacket, and behind the jacket . tomorrow we have an urgent retraining, excuse me, but you know who mikhailov is, mm, a man without taste, no, at least i know what im talking about, ive met its at your uncles, youre just wasting your time on it, goodbye, you know whats going on, it seems to me that this place should become a bridge between moscow and the centers of world fashion, it should exude the aromas of french perfumes, but we have that too. Talina, do you instead serve old nomenklatura women who are unable to appreciate their daughters . Im not talking about you, of course. Young man. Can i see you for a second, of course, excuse me, lidok, lingerie, just chic, ill send you everything you need, dont even worry, thank god theres no problem with that you still wanted, volodya, forgive me, volodya , why, forgive me, i said all sorts of things to you, oh well, you have nothing to apologize for, you, you had the right to change your mind, i. Really, but you never know how beautiful they are, i dont understand , what is there in her that i dont have, or, well, why explain anything, it will only get worse, right. Broke up and broke up, yes, wait, i mean, are you serious, youre not even offended, no, well, of course not, why be offended, i understand everything, thats life, yes, it happens, come over for tea sometime, today or tomorrow, how will you have time . The wind wove the birds in the sky with Golden Autumn thread. I sent you a postcard. There are two words in it dont be sad, but she was angry, she swam like a snail in the sea like a fish, slowly, not too much of a fish , i myself am already on my way , hello happiness in a simple white dress, hello happiness, i ask only one thing, hello happiness, forgive me, forgive me, hello, happiness, no more thickening. A book, what did you want . I wanted to personally discuss the situation with my ministerial nephew, i gave the university 10 years, although katukova personally offered to give me a ministry, i know ive heard about this 40 times, i hope youll serve the same amount and the same number of times for the same amount of time, he hopes. Should you write your application on your own or how will you transfer it with a demotion . No, vasilna, what are you talking about, he is by no means here instead of you, this is just for practice credit, can you hear yourself, where is the mugimo student, and where is the tailoring . They say that they will establish connections with foreign colleagues, dont be afraid, yeah. Confused us with the house of mandels, coveted a fashion model, how many years did i make real masters out of these fools, kostya taught how to insert a thread into a needle, khanya dont be rude to the client, say the right words to katya, krebdyshim, is that all they called me navtalin . Understand, they asked me very much, it was impossible to refuse. But they promised that this would not last long, i ask you, be patient a little, play along, i really need your help, without you he will simply collapse the department, as i ask a friend. Well, comrades, are you ready to make a World Revolution in fashion . Thats what, volodya sergeevich, natros. Guide you, but i see that, for example, this is outdated, ugly, simply tasteless, by the way, this is often i ask, of course, i often ask , because its in plain sight, and the person who sees it asks, but i come here like a layman, like an invader, like a person with money, and i want to see something amazing here. Be careful so that a person can say, wow, wow, they have that too, you see, i understand that you are spoiled enough to be surprised at anything, firstly, tatyana, we have been new for a long time, and secondly, dont even you understand me, this is melancholy. For a minute, with your red dress in paris, can i see you thirst to break out of limits at least once, even you , this goes beyond all boundaries, what exactly . I asked you to leave me alone, i conveyed it through a proxy, but what should i have asked personally, yes, okay, dont persecute me, please, you, comrade nazarova , have delusions of grandeur, im here solely out of interest in the matter, sorry, you dont have to listen , okay, i told you about the red dress in confidence, and you poked your nose at me in front of everyone, why did you poke it from where . This is still your dream, yes, well, so you need to go towards it, dreams can come true if at least something is done for it, everything is possible in the world, i want to prove it to them and to you, your bride is probably very interested in you, yeah, especially her parents, who are organizing this wedding, and of course you are dreaming about something completely different, maybe, so, comrade artemyev, first sort out your dreams, and then teach others. Is that so, brother . Hello, zotova, may i . Evgeny isanovich, spark of sitnikov. Yes, good afternoon. No, thank you, everything is fine. Do you know where lida and i saw your hair . Thats it, youre not press too hard at first, we need evolution , not revolution, well, if they said that in october of the seventeenth, in october there was a class enemy, either we are h