How the jews there have very tragic stories, this is a separate topic of conversation, but in the very core of the fortress he did not fight then in the forty first year, so part of the truth, like always, yes, some of it is a little exaggerated, but well, it is believed that even major gavrilov, who took the last battle on july 23, 1941, is officially recognized as the last defender of the brest fortress, that is, a month after the start of the war. But is it true that even in august, before hitler and musaliniya arrived at the fortress, the ruins were still being shot at . Gavrilov, pyotr mikhailovich, we always say that this is the last of the famous heroes of the brest fortress, there is a german document. Already written on july 2425 that july 23 while clearing the ruins of the fortress there, the german team was fired upon, five german soldiers were wounded, then during the clearing , another sixth soldier was wounded, seven remains of russians were discovered, a senior lieutenant was captured, some historians believe that this is exactly what we are talking about about gavrilov, if you remember, he initially called himself in captivity. A senior lieutenant, but others say that this is most likely some other unknown defender of the brest fortress, then there are german memories, and the commandant fortresses von unruh wrote that when he arrived in brest at the end of july for his post, there was still shooting, he fought with this shooting, so the cleansing was carried out back in august fortyone, at the beginning of august before the arrival of hitler and mussolini. Therefore , this confirmation is still waiting, probably, in the german archives, and even more so, this famous story with the last defender, who was captured in the spring of fortytwo , it became the basis for the story of boris vasiliev, i was not on the lists, but i i just wanted to literally tell briefly why i, for example, think that most likely this fact. Took place, because the foreman of the eightyfourth rifle regiment, durasov, wrote about this to Sergei Sergeevich smirnov in his letter, he was the commander of an ammunition platoon , and he wrote that yes, indeed, when i was in captivity, after my recovery in revere, this was a camp for wounded patients, our prisoners, yes, uh, in brest he worked together with one of the jews, yes, they stabbed there firewood. And so on, like this maintenance worker, and says once, it was already around april 1942, this jew was late, and then he told this story that when he was going to work, he was stopped by a german officer who got out of the car and said, you will go with me that they came to the fortress, he said, there is a russian sitting there who will not give up, go persuade him, or we will shoot you, this famous story happened, yes, when he said that you. What i want to see to your impotence and the german officer said that this is a real hero, everyone knows this, this is written well in the story, but what next . Sergei sergeevich smirnov, in the course of his research work, based on the characteristic features of these jews, yes, that he was a violinist in a restaurant, by the way, the building where the restaurant was was still preserved in brest on komsomolskaya street, he determined that it was a hall monstavsky, that is, you see, durasov did not know the surname, it had already acquired. Its existence, specifics, yes, already in the course of research work, writing the book bresse fortress, but this is not enough, we have brest is unique in that the only archive in europe has been preserved. Brest geto, the germans did not have time to destroy it in forty years, when a Museum Employee examined this archive, she found a card from zalmanstavsky, you know, in the archive, but this archive has already been fully explored, but no, of course there is still something that can be explored, but here do you understand how many of them are like yes, you get beads that make up a chain, you know . Why am i asking this, i really want to get these answers it is from you, today you are the person that the system, our system, it really really needs, an active civic position is very good, but the symbiosis of an active historian, a specialist who has been involved in the preservation and historical memory in practice for more than 20 years, yes, and in such a symbolic place, you represent the first region in the council. I like to give excursions, although now im no longer required by my position on the one hand, but sometimes i take excursions because , firstly, not to forget, i had practice and just communicating with people, you also get great pleasure, so i guess im saying, take a playing coach, believe me, this is very important, especially since i remember my impression that this story of yours really had such a serious impact back then, this it was completely different, not as usual, you know, probably also. Because, well , its not modestly good to say about myself, but well, i honestly let every excursion pass through my soul, and the main thing is that for me these defenders of the fortress, they are like family to us too collective, so when we talk on excursions, we worry about them, let them pass through our souls, i must say that one of the significant moments in the work of the memorial is that we have preserved the continuity of generations, but we are not in a mine, in the sense , that for us physical health is not the main thing and age is a very important experience, so i, as a director, try our older generation, yes, who taught me, for as long as possible, i say, while you work, work, because you are a living example of history, connection generations, yes, and you you educate our youth, who come by your example, with these incendiary relationships, who are not indifferent to work, this is very important, because you know, such a person has read important words, history can only educate. Rewrite history, you dont even allow it for the sake of even more drama, well, youre the same person who wrapped up the script for the film ugolnikovbrezskaya fortress, but thats what they say, you know, there was a chief consultant, wait there, they wanted to embellish ours benefit, yes, yes, of course, larisa goina, bibik worked was a consultant, i was a scientific historical consultant, and the main consultant was Valery Vladimirovich gubarenko. Who then headed the brest fortress, but all the experienced employees participated, you see, we didnt do it that way, that only we would read, we let all the experienced employees read, so its not just my opinion, but the whole teams, for example, because we firmly believed there, well, there were nuances, i can even say, there was an idea that the captured major gavrilov, on august 26, he was shown to hitler and musalini, you see, but i always say screenwriter. I say, believe me, you read the memoirs of the defenders of the fortress, because we have such folders with memories, with a letter from sergei sergen, i say, you will never see such stories as life writes. You cant think of why you should think of something, if there were such moments in life that you can sit and read their tragedy, this heroism of people, therefore , since life itself came up with, no one will come up with, so these are yes, as if with on the one hand it seems, well, its a good moment, gavrilov drinks there, lets say in hitlers face, yes, well, well, this doesnt happen in real life, as soon as you lie, they stop believing you in the rest, yes. Of course, but alexander alexandrovich, after all, hollywood is not shy about rewriting history, attributing victory to itself through movie popes, and well, maybe sometimes we dont need this pedantry, after all, well, this is a difficult question, you know, i ll tell you this , well, we, some believe in god, some dont, i, for example, believe in god , so i think that we shouldnt become the same as them. Because what is the point then, if we are the same, it is precisely our peculiarity, yes, love for the truth of our people, yes, for the truth, the fact that we will not lie or embellish ourselves, it ultimately wins, really, anyway will make its way, yes, they are now imagining this, that now during the polls in poland, i looked, yes, they are already saying with whom, poland won, with which allies, right . Usa, england, france and poland, and against whom . Germany and the soviet union, there is kheroshima, a recent example is already numerous, yes, that almost the ussr bombed. You know, i was lost by chance in the historical encyclopedia published there in america, i read, you know, how it was written about gagarin, the first soviet cosmonaut, that is, how subtle, you know, manipulation, the first soviet cosmonaut, that is, not like the first man yes in space, but the first one was soviet. And so in everything, especially with regard to the great patriotic war, but people are also not stupid in the west, yes, here, when they are faced with this outright lie, they want to know how in fact, it was when you want to know, unfortunately, a significant amount, excuse me, as people say, its not very appropriate for the program, but i remember a very specific example now, yes, when the wargaming company, when they drew the image of an astronaut. We follow the sporting life of our country. Belarusian weightlifters won three licenses for the olympics in paris. The final qualifying start for the world cup ended in thailand. 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There is more information in general on the war in paragraphs, already in the eleventh graduating class everything is combined in two paragraphs, the entire Second World War, in the ninth grade , more information was given about the defense of the brest fortress , names, some circumstances, the task of the school is to give basic knowledge, and the task of the Second School is to take them on excursions, and to the same khatyn, the museum of the great patriotic war in minsk , isnt it too late to start in the ninth grade, so the kindergarten needs these in principle. Good question about kindergarten, you know, all of our children are so wonderful in kindergarten, then you look at what of them is in school grows up, you know, it is very important to turn state policy specifically towards kindergarten, because remember, here we are in our soviet childhood, and under the photopiano piano there, our army is strong, protects the world, it, we walked there, studied the capital of the ussr moscow, the capital of the bssr is minsk, there is a gymnasium there. And this was correct, because it would not have happened in the late eighties in the nineties, when we were drugged, but then you see, all the same , this childish upbringing is now manifesting itself in us, so i believe that the state should allocate enormous resources on educators, so that they have a large salary, because a lot depends on educators, you know, when a person becomes 1314 years old, in some way. Stories like theirs await ahead of the great patriotic war, and it is necessary learn now, thats why we at the ministry of culture have developed a system of communication with the ministry of education so that museumpedagogical classes are conducted for primary schoolchildren, we have a wonderful excursion hello museum, when the kids come, they are not. Overloaded with information, but at least you understand, they will come, and then they will say, yes, i was in the brest fortress, i received something, you know, they threw a grain, and then sprout grows from there and a patriot of his country grows up, and about the ussr, i also want, you know, how to say, i thought for a long time, and so i assessed why films about the great patriotic war dont work out, well, basically i ll even watch a little of everything, turn it off, but because its impossible. Education, im interested in your personal opinion, on another issue, i would, in addition to preserving the memory of the great patriotic war, i would return the lessons of gods law, i heard that your brother paints icons, yes, thats how faith, in your opinion, can help preserve memory, historical memory, and well, war and faith are also inseparable, you know, if already in theological questions like this, i read. A book about a serbian saint about a future war, when he wrote before the Second World War, in general many parameters were correct ; its future was predicted and what it would be, it is impossible to achieve victory in a holy cause without faith, but temporarily it is possible, of course, success, because why does it seem that the godless soviet state defeated germany, but because they still had bright feelings, patriotism and they really fought against evil, against the end of hell, so the war must be waged, of course, thank god, i didnt fight, but with respect to any enemy, you understand . And without mocking him, that is, when you have a spiritual core, it is easier for you to fight at the front, victory will be faster, they must play a role, even in war, well, tell me, its a historical fact, on the territory of the brest fortress, this white church , she was then a club, yes, yes, why today , in reality, this is an active object that is already spiritual, church, and why is this important, in addition, it is also a center for the spiritual education of the military, this is a big stronghold for them now in our brez garrison, an interesting story, yes, in the 19th century, a garrison Orthodox Church was built, then in the twenties and thirties, in connection with the policy of catholicization , the polish garrison was rebuilt into the church of st. Casimir, the day before there was a military club, in which, by the way, efiseevich fvamin said at a lecture before the screening of the film on june 21 that war. There will be this and a message from tas that these are all rumors, then a few hours later the war begins, and then the dilapidated temple stood as an object of a memorial complex, yes, in 94 it was decided to hand it over to believers, it began its restoration, the rector of the temple, father igor , in general, put his life on its restoration, but inside the temple there were still traces. Very strong contrast, external beauty, yes, in a pseudobyzantine style, you go inside, traces of battles, marks, yes, this is very important not to lose, because the energy there is very powerful, its true, and i believe that a warrior without faith cannot be a real warrior, a defender of his fatherland, because yes, i will say more, also touching on the patriotic issue, yes, how can we raise a patriot fight against the consumer society, which now prevails all over the world, and over spiritual values, because as the modern war in ukraine has shown, yes, an egoist will not go to defend his country, because he only cares about himself cares, only a person is not an egoist, he can give his life for something, but our task as a state is to help young people understand why they can give their lives, we are not calling for them to die or anything, but simply he. Should to understand that there is something greater, sacred, than his life, this is his own country, it is difficult to educate in modern society, very difficult, but this is our task, well, returning a little to the main question, here on the territory of the brest fortress it is still after all, excavations are underway and the remains of the dead are being found, and what new facts do you can you tell me when the last question is about what is in volyn. Fortification, according to their assumptions, the remains of the soldiers should be buried, our fiftysecond separate specialized battalion of the ministry of defense carried out excavations, found 10 remains, which were reburied under the memorial slab, it is important for understanding to know that when the memorial was torn off in 1971, there were the remains of 823 people , solemnly reburied, these are those who were reburied from the garrison cemetery, where they were before the construction of the memorial, found during construction work, now we have 1048 remains under the slabs of the memorial, yeah, besides this is announced during the tour, but according to german data we definitely know that about 2,000 remains of the fallen defenders of the fortress were buried by the hands of our prisoners, that is, you see hundreds more we assume that the remains are in our land, they ask. To be solemnly preserved, that is, discovered, so this search work will continue until the last one is found, but no, the war is not over in 2011 year, when they found karls crater, this is a very vivid illustration of the kind of work that was carried out in our museum, and they found 58 remains in this crater, a crater from a largecaliber sixhundredmillimeter martyr shell. On the internet, how our prisoners throw the remains of the dead there, yes , if im not mistaken, 11 medallions were found, but only two were read and one was identified from letters in the purse, one of these three people out of 58 identified was taglin, the defender of the fortress , just imagine that in the seventyfirst year his name was symbolically, according to. A document and according to the memories certified by the military registration and Enlistment Office of eyewitnesses of his death, it is placed on the slabs and memorials; 70 years after his death in 2011, his remains were found with. You see, this is a very important point, the connection between the times that defenders of the fortress, we still find them, we tear their names out of oblivion, well , now the belarusian Prosecutor Generals Office is closely involved in the issues of the genocide of our people and is carrying ou