Executions, that for some time in germany they said that no, wehrmach, honest soldiers, they could not shoot hitlers order and about the treatment of prisoners, the treatment there commissars, jews, like no, only the ss did it, the wehrmach didnt, well , numerous documents, now the memories of the same ones, diaries of participants in the assault on the brest fortress from the fortyfifth Infantry Division of the wehrmach themselves, the germans or the austrians, yes. He has a defender of the brest fortress, and in israel, by the way, you tried to sort out this confusion, at that time, yes, Pyotr Kotelnikov remained alive, he is the youngest, still in russia, who is 100 years old, today there are still defenders living, no, defenders from those who are like petya kotelnik, although he fought with a weapon in his hands as a twelveyearold boy, no longer, unfortunately, there are children who survived the war, they met the war at a young age, but i must say that. Sefimovich feyrenshtein, who died in israel, he too defender, but defender of the fifth fort. Another question is that Sergei Sergeevich smirnov, the museum staff of those years, yes, considered the defenders of the fortress, namely the defenders of the fortress core of these four islands, and already those who fought in the forts of the brest fortress, they were considered participants in the battles in area of brest, yes, by the defenders of brest, that s why, as if one. July of fortyone, that is, a month after the start of the war, he was captured, then much later after the war he became a hero of the soviet union, and was buried in brest. Yes from krasnodar, yes, but is it true that even in august, before hitler and musaleni arrived at the fortress, the ruins were still being shot at, gavrilov, pyotr mikhailovich, we always say that this is the last of the famous heroes of the brest fortress, there are german documents already written july 2425 that july 23 at clearing then there are german memories, and the commandant of the fortress von unruh wrote that when he arrived in brest at the end of july for his post, there was still shooting, he fought with this shooting, thats what the cleansing was carried out back in august of the fortyfirst year, at the beginning of august before the arrival of hitler and mussolini, so this confirmation is still waiting, probably in the german archives, and even more so. This famous story with the last defender, who was captured in the spring of fortytwo, it became the basis for boriss story vasiliev was not on the lists, i would like to literally briefly tell you why i, for example, believe that most likely this fact took place, because Sergei Sergeevich smirnov wrote about this in his letter from. The foreman of the eightyfourth rifle regiment durasov, he was the commander of an ammunition supply platoon, and he wrote that yes, indeed, when i was in captivity, after my recovery in revere, this was a camp for wounded patients, our prisoners, yes, he worked in brest together with one of the jews , yes, there chopping wood and so on, such maintenance work, and he says once, it was already around april fortytwo. Years this jew was late, and then he told this story that when he was going to work, he was stopped by a german officer who got out of the car and said, will you come with me, that they came to the fortress, he said, there is a russian sitting there who does not give up , go persuade him, or we will shoot you, this famous story happened, yes, when he said that you are vying, that i want to look at your powerlessness and the german officer said that this a real hero, everyone knows this, this is. Well written in the story, but what next . Sergei sergeevich smirnov, in the course of his Research Work, based on the characteristic features of this jew, yes, that he was a violinist in a restaurant, by the way, the building where the restaurant was was still preserved in brest on komsomolskaya street, he determined that it was zalmonsky , that is, you see, durasov did not know the surname, it had already acquired its concrete existence, and already in the course of the Research Work of writing the book fortress, but even this is not unique to us. Brest in that the only archive of the brest geto in europe was preserved, the germans did not have time to destroy it in 1944, when a Museum Employee examined this archive, she found a card of zalman of stastav, you know, in the archive, but this archive has already been completely examined, no, not yet there is, of course, something that can be explored, but you understand how many people like yes, it turns out. I really want to get these answers from you, today you are the person in whom the system, our system, it really really needs it, an active civic position is very good, but the symbiosis of an active historian, a specialist who has been preserving historical memory in practice for more than 20 years, right . And in such a symbolic place, you represent the first region in the council of the republic and will be a delegate of the Supreme National assembly, let s digress a little, but what was this path from a researcher to the head of the brest fortress, this is not just the brest fortress, but the belarusian symbol of courage, well, if honestly, to say, frankly, never i set myself the task of being a director or some kind of political figure there, i just did my job. Probably the main secret is that i always tell our youth, yes, who comes to the breev fortress, loves their job, if you dont love your job, dont. Do this, its impossible, you see, even touching on this issue, yes, we definitely have a staff turnover, people leave, but believe me, not the previous director, but Grigory Grigorievich bysyuk, whom i respect very much , not me, on purpose, but not we fire anyone there, they leave on their own, if suddenly, you know, there is a difference in the views, here in the head, with what you say, then this is impossible, impossible, so yes, i regret that people leave, but i think, well. The fortress itself often squeezed you out, because well, that means this is not the place where you should work, so it so happened that, yes, i loved history since childhood, i went to the brest fortress, gradually just like that , i came to work there and worked, i ve been working for a while, so its simple, i guess i love my job, i love giving excursions, although now its not required by my position on the one hand, but sometimes i take excursions, because. Firstly, dont forget, i had practice and just communicating with people, you also get great pleasure, that s probably why i say that take a playing coach, believe me, this is very important, especially since i remember my impression that this story of yours really had such a serious impact back then, it was completely different, not like usual, you know, probably, also because , well, its not modest to talk about yourself good, but well, i honestly put every excursion through a shower, and the main thing is that. For me, these defenders of the fortress, they are like family to our team, so when we talk about them on excursions, we worry about them, let them through our souls , i must say that one of the significant points in the work of the memorial is that we have preserved the continuity of generations, but we are not in a mine, in the sense, yes, that for us the main thing is not physical health and age, experience is very important, so i as a director i try here is our older generation, yes, which i was taught for as long as possible, i say, while you are working, work, because you are a living example of history, a connection between generations, yes, and you are educating our youth, who come by your example, with your this incendiary relationship, not indifferent to work, this is very important, because you know, such a person read important words, history can only educate with the truth, rewrite history, you dont even give for the sake of even more drama, well, you are that same person. Brest fortress, yes, thats what they say, well you see, there was the main one, wait, they wanted to embellish in our favor, yes, yes, of course, larisa govaina worked, bibik was a consultant, i was a scientific historical consultant, and the main consultant was Valery Vladimirovich gubarenko, who then headed the brest fortress, but all the experienced employees participated, you see, we didnt do it that way, thats just. Well read, we let all the experienced employees read, so its not just my opinion, the whole teams, for example, because we firmly believed there, well, there were nuances, i can even say, there was an idea that the captured major gavrilov, on august 26 he was shown to hitler and mussolini, you know, but i always tell the scriptwriters, i say, believe me, you read the memoirs of the defenders of the fortress, because thats who we are folders with memories, with letters. You will never come up with stories like life writes in your life, why think up something if there were such moments in life that you can sit and read their tragedy, this heroism of people, therefore, since life itself came up with it, no one wont come up with it, so these ones, yes, on the one hand it seems, well, its a good point, gavrilov is spitting there, lets say in hitlers face, yes, well, well. So i think that we should not become the same as them, because what is the point then, if we are the same, it is precisely our peculiarity, yes, love for the truth of our people, yes, for the truth, the fact that we will not lie or embellish ourselves, it will win in the end, however, it will still hold their way, yes, they are now imagining such things that now, even during polls in poland, i looked, yes, hes already talking, and. With whom poland won, with what allies and the usa, england, france and poland, and against whom germany and the soviet union, there is kheroshima, a recent example is already numerous. Yes, that almost the ussr bombed, right . You know, i was lost by chance in the historical encyclopedia published there in america, i read, you know, how it was written about gagarin, the first soviet cosmonaut, that is, how subtle, you know, manipulation, the first soviet cosmonaut, that is, not like the first man yes in space, huh the first soviet, and so on in everything, especially with regard to the great patriotic war, but people are not stupid either in the west or here. When they are faced with this outright lie, they want to know, but what really happened, this is when they want to know, unfortunately, a significant number, excuse me, as they say people are eating, but for such a slant its not very relevant to the program, but i remember perfectly a specific example now, yes, when the wargaming company, when they drew the image of an astronaut, there was gagarin, all in a helmet, but this is the famous one the inscription ussr, yes, but suddenly it was not there. It just didnt turn out, because you seem to know the image, the first cosmonaut, yes, a small nuance, but its so significant, analyzing the opponent, working on mistakes, choosing the right strategy for the match, what are scientists working on today . A group of small devices is being created, who and how is helping to make our lives better, one device is made by belarus, and two devices are made by the russian federation, this group. Look at the project, the route was built on the belarus24 tv channel. But look, here are modern textbooks, i i always believed that the soviet school, the school , yes, it was exemplary in terms of presenting information about the great patriotic war and the war in general, but in our current belarusian textbooks there is enough information about the bresse fortress, you probably appreciate this, yes, it is adequate is its presentation, this defense of the brez fortress in the whole great patriotic war, enough . They give more than this, in the textbooks of the ninth grade there is more information in general on the war in paragraphs, already in the eleventh grade, everything is combined into two paragraphs, the entire Second World War, in the ninth grade , more information was given about the defense of the brest fortress and names, some circumstances, the task of the school is to give basic knowledge, and the task of the Second School is to take them on excursions, and to the same khatyn, the museum of the great patriotic war in minsk , but didnt you start learning from the ninth grade . All of our children are so wonderful in kindergarten, then you see how they grow up in school, you know, it is very important to direct government policy specifically towards kindergarten, because remember, here we are in our soviet childhood, yes, to the piano, photopiano, our army is strong there, it protects the world, we walked there, studied the capital. Ussr moscow, the capital of the bssr minsk, they studied the anthem there, and it was right, because no matter what happened in the late eighties, in the nineties, when they drugged us, but then you see, all the same, this childish upbringing is now manifesting itself in us , therefore, i believe that the state should direct huge resources to educators so that they have higher salaries, because it is from educators a lot depends, you know, when. A person becomes 1314 years old, it is very difficult to convince him of something, they educate him for years, then reeducate him, even take up to 12, this is the period when there is still a history textbook like theirs the great patriotic war is waiting ahead, and we need to get to know it now, so we at the ministry of culture have developed a system of communication with the ministry of education so that museum and pedagogical classes are conducted for primary schoolchildren, we have an excellent excursion. You understand, if already in theological such questions, i read a book about a serbian saint about a future war, when he wrote before the Second World War, in general, many parameters of its future are correct and he predicted what it would be, it is impossible to achieve victory in a holy cause without faith, but temporarily it is possible, of course success, because why does it seem that the godless soviet state defeated germany, and then. Respect for any enemy, you know, without mocking him, that is, when you have a spiritual core, its easier for you to fight at the front, victory will be faster, god must play ro, even in war, well, tell me, its a historical fact, on the territory of the brest fortress. This white church, it was then a club, yes, yes, why today is it really an active object, already spiritual, ecclesiastical, yes, why is this important, except . And said before the screening of the film on june 21 that there would be no war, wow, the tas message that it was all rumors, then a few hours later the war began, and then the dilapidated temple stood as an object of a memorial complex, yes, in ninety in the fourth year, it was decided to hand it over to the believers, and its restoration began, the rector of the temple, father igor, in general, put his life on its. Restoration, but inside the temple there were still traces of battles, this is a very strong contrast, external beauty, yes, in a pseudobyzantine style, you go inside, traces of battles, marks, yes, this is very important not to lose, because the energy there is very powerful, crazy, its true, and i believe that a warrior without faith cannot be real warriors, protector of his fatherland, because yes, i ll tell you more, also touching on. Yes prevails over spiritual values, because as the modern war in ukraine has shown, yes, an egoist will not go to defend his country, because he only cares about himself, only a person who is not an egoist can give his life for something, but our task as a state is to help young people understand what they can give their life for. We are not calling for them to die or anything, but simply he must understand that there is something greater, sacred, than his life, this is our own country, it is very difficult to educate in modern society, but this is our task, well, returning a little to the main question, but on the territory of the brest fortress , excavations are still being carried out; the remains of the dead are being found, what new facts can you tell us when the last such excavations were. A vivid illustration of the work that was carried out in our museum, yes, they found 58 remains in this crater, a largecaliber crater. That in the seventyfirst year his name was symbolic according to documents and the memories certified by the military registration and Enlistment Office of eyewitnesses of his death are placed on slabs and memorials; 70 years after his death in 2011, his remains were found with a medal, do you understand . This is a very important point, a connection between the times, that we still find the defenders of the fortress, we tear their names out of oblivion, well, now the belarusian. The Prosecutors Office is closely involved in the issues of the genocide of our people and is carrying out this colossal work on, in particular in terms of finding out the truth of this historical story, who now . Look can effectively resist attempts to rewrite history Law Enforcement officers, historians, statesmen, politicians . Who . All together, all together, because we must Work Together and fight this, and whats more, it seems to me that a huge role in this lies with our higher education, with the history departments that graduate. Teachers of history, and these history teachers must be charged, they must be patriots of their side, because children look to the example, but we cant tell them about patriotism and at the same time behave completely differently, they will say well, what are you telling us here, but who are you yourself . Thats why it seems to me, well, this is being carried out, we also have a commission under the administration of the president of the republic of belarus, and on historical policy, this is an Important Role for us to play. Patriotic teachers who, by personal example, well, what can i say, there are moments, yes, when you have to go to the brest fortress, the teachers say, oh, again to this brest fortress, if the teacher says what the child will think, or the parent will tell him, again money needs to be spent on this crass fortress, it is very important that these people who tell children about the great patriotic war themselves empathize, themselves. The very concept of historical memory has already become a constitutional norm, protected, yes, protected by the state, but by laws and legislative acts are always important in the development of constitutional norms. What legislative acts do you think are missing in belarus today to preserve this very selfidentity, historical memory, sovereignty, you know, i just joined the commission on statehood in the chamber, and our council of the republic and o