Two segments of that conversation appeared on 60 minutes, last night. Here is an excerpt. Steve donald trump is a fighter. Great counterpuncher. Great counterpuncher. Hes a fighter. I will be his wing man outside. Our purpose is to support donald trump. Charlie and destroy his enemies . Steve to make sure his enemies know theres no free shot. After the charlottesville situation, i told john kelly, i was the only guy that tried to defend him. I said hes talking about taking something to a higher level. Where does this all go . Where does it end . Does it end in taking down the Washington Monument . Charlie i will tell you where many people think it should have gone. It should have gone in terms of denouncing, specifically from the very beginning, neonazis and white supremacists, and people of that political view. It should have gone there because those were people that americans in world war ii went to fight against. He should have instantly denounced them. And you didnt at first instinct. In fact, you seemed to be doubling down in terms of a moral equivalency. Steve what hes trying to say is that people who support the monuments, if people support that, that is the first amendment. But talking about neonazis, and the neoconfederacy and the klan and by the way there is no , room in American Society for that. My problem, and i told general kelly this, when you side with a man, you side with him. I was proud to defend President Trump in the media. Charlie no exceptions in terms of siding with someone . Steve you can tell him to do it a better way but if you are , going to break, then resign. The stuff leaked out that week by certain members of the white house i thought was unacceptable. If you find it unacceptable, you should resign. Charlie who are you talking about . Steve im talking about gary cohn and some other people. If you dont like what hes doing and dont agree, you have an obligation to resign. Charlie so good cohn it should have resigned . Steve absolutely. Charlie were you upset with him . Steve i was of the opinion you should condemn both the racists and the neonazis. Because they are getting a free ride off of donald trump. It is a small group, a vicious group, they add no value. All they do is show up in the mainstream and leftwing media makes them up as some huge part of Donald Trumps coalition. Charlie david duke Steve David Duke shows up for every Media Opportunity because it is irrelevant. Charlie the media does not make david duke say what he says. They applauded with the president did, that is what david duke did. Refutedhe president has what david duke stands for. Charlie everybody who listens, talks about one of the great issues in American Life today, which is the plight of the middle class, they also believe there is, on your part and the president s part, not enough appreciation for some of the values also that made America Great. And you dont appreciate that. And you dont appreciate the diversity, you dont appreciate the respect for civil rights. Steve i was raised in a desegregated neighborhood. The north side side of richmond was predominantly black. I went to an integrated school, a catholic school. I served in the military. I dont need to be lectured by a bunch of limousine liberals from the Upper East Side of new york and the hamptons. About any of this. My lived experience is that. Charlie tonight, a longer version of the conversation with steve bannon for the hour. When did you first know about, and come to, personally know donald trump . Steve it was 2010. A guy from Citizens United i made a number of documentary films with a guy named dave. That was after the financial crisis 2009. The film was focused on the tea party and the revolt. He called me up. I was making a film for him. He asked me if i wanted to come to new york to meet donald trump. I said not particularly, have too much to do. I said, why . He said, he was thinking of running for president. I said, are you kidding me . So i said, fine, i will go up. He said i would like to be able , to talk about this populist movement. I would like you to be prepared to talk about the populist movement, economic nationalism in the tea party movement. I said, fine. I prepared notes and dave gave a very detailed presentation. I realized it was in the famous 25th floor conference room. Given that President Trump is not a guy who likes to sit through long meetings, i think dave and i were there for a couple of hours at least. Dave went through it very difficult presentation of how you run for president how you , think about the primary process and general election. I chipped in, had a segment on the tea party movement. I had a section on the populist revolt. Charlie what was your impression . Steve impression was, i had never been in the presence of a guy that had this kind of charisma. He was incredibly charismatic. He had an intuitive feel. We talked about china. I bet you have to time i was talking about nationalism he really understood china. He clearly had been talking about it for 20 or 30 years. Very much like lou dobbs and donald trump, those are the guys i remember talking about china in the 1990s. He had a deep understanding of that. He had a deep understanding about the tea party movement. He followed it very closely. One of the things about trump, he understands how to name things in a very deep way. He studied young. His third book you could tell because i kept saying populist. He kept saying popularist. I tried to correct him. He said, no, it is popularist. We agreed to disagree, but i could see what his thinking was. I laughed and thought, theres no way hes running for president in 2012, but if he is a very serious guy. If he ever tries to do it, i thought you would be serious. He did write a book. One of the things he recommended, if you want to do this, you should get a policy book out there. He wrote a book in 2011, and i think the subtitle was make America Great again. I think it was called, time to get tough. It is not one of the most famous of the trump books, but it lays out what he ran on. The title was make America Great again . Steve i think the title was time to get tough, and the subtitle was make America Great again. If people look at the book, it came out in 2011. He had a deep understanding of his thoughts on trade and his thoughts on america in the world, his thoughts on taxes. In 2010, i did not think he could run for president anytime soon. Charlie you thought he had possibilities . Steve absolutely. Dave bossi and others in the cpac would invite him to these gatherings. I think the first one was maybe 2011 at cpac. Breitbart at the time, i was also doing a radio show in los angeles. I started watching him. Normally when i see politicians, i sit in the back or the side to watch the crowd. How the response is. Most of the time, i have heard the speeches before. I noticed something on trump. He did not speak like a politician. He talked in a vernacular that people could relate to. I noticed people would lean into his speeches. Ive seen that on sarah palin. They have a connection. They have a visceral connection with workingclass people. They have a visceral connection with the middle class that goes beyond politics. Is guy. I think this i think this will be a serious guy. Charlie in fact, you called him the best orator you have seen since William Jennings bryan. Steve most political strategists i do not pay much attention to. I dont have attention to the guys on tv because they have fallen i came out of business Harvard Business school, one of the failings was the proctor and gamble marketing. They marketed candidates like products. T you conceal theells in you can see all the tells in that. You cant say certain words. It gets so dry that theres no substance. I think one of the things the internet has given us is a search for authenticity. Trump, im telling you, and i cant believe the media missed it if you look at the campaign, these speeches the , crowds, were barn burners. Each one had a different policy perspective. The speeches are the plan for the trump plan. It shows you how people yearn for this, still. His oratory is very powerful. Hes the greatest speech maker in modern political history. I think theres only been one, William Jennings bryan, who is also a populist. You cannot do 3, 4, 5 of these rallies today and come in fresh. And galvanize an audience. The entire campaign was not really modern and the fact that we did not do a lot of tv. We took the modern approach of data mining and targeted it, coupled with an oldfashioned, lets get this guy in front of a big crowd. But the oratory is spellbinding. But i think he is a spellbinding speaker. The audience is engaged. How many people wait eight, 10, 12 hours in line . We used to do a thing at the end , people would be there once you 24 hours. Got inside, particularly you got seated, or people would be in the mosh pit, people wait for hours. People would stand for 3, 4, 5 hours. We said, we got something. One thing i said during the campaign we wanted to make sure , we tracked Hillary Clinton very closely. I noticed that not only were her speeches terrible, there was no theme they were not galvanizing. , we noticed she went to these colleges, you can tell because are from the other democratic schools around town, they are there because they are little democrats. There was no rallying cry. His was the exact opposite. I think the speeches were clearly touching people shaw said only connect. He was connecting hard. Charlie the thing i noticed is he has a conversation with the audience. Steve it is call and response a lot of times. They know after a while where the call is. You know, lock her up, drain the swamp, cnn sucks. Charlie you agree with all those points . [laughter] steve absolutely. I think they were all key. Charlie including lock her up . Steve well, i dont know why people had had meetings with other countries, but i thought there was more than enough. I was head of the group with peter switzer, a great author. It was about crony capitalism. We took two and a half years of his team of investigators to do clinton cache. There was clearly enough there to drill down on. I think there is something for investigations. Im not want to politicize stuff. Charlie but are you suggesting she should be vulnerable for an indictment . Steve i definitely think there should be further investigations. I think the irani one situation should have a much deeper investigation. The whole clinton global initiative. Charlie the fundraising aspect . Steve they have Merchant Banking and investment banking. That should be looked at for bill clinton and herself, particularly when she was secretary of state. Im not saying lets go after her just because she is Hillary Clinton. One of the tenets of the populist movement, and one of the things we put in speeches about her, what i told President Trump at the time, the campaign should be simple. She is the standardbearer for a corrupt and incompetent status quo. You are the agent of change. You are the agent of change obama didnt deliver. We always have her as a foil. She is status quo. You are the agent of change. You are going to win this thing. The math was there. 2 3 wrong track, right track. I think 77 of the American People said the country was in decline. Particularly economic decline. All the underlying substrate of the american electorate wanted change. If you force her to defend the status quo, force her to this permanent Political Class that has a grip, regardless of Party Affiliation has a grip on , the nation, if you make her a tribune of that and do compare and contrast, you will win. Charlie isnt it sad we are getting to a point in which people are calling for the other side to be put in jail and be indicted . Steve you dont want to politicize this. Charlie but thats exactly what we are doing. Steve no, no, look at President Trump. One of the things i continue to say, you talk about a repudiation or notification of an election. Look at President Trump. Not only do you have a special prosecutor in the Justice Department and a couple grand jurys, but you have on capitol hill, with Republican Leadership, three separate committees. Two in the senate and one in the house. They are investigating him and sending out subpoenas. They have had big breaks already. Charlie in a republicancontrolled congress. Steve i know. Look at that for a second. If you look at the nullification of this election thats one of , the reasons i left the white house. I think he needs air cover on this. I think if you look at this, the nullification of this election, i dont think its coming from the left. You have the Democratic Party, the corporatists, all this, i think they are second or third tier, which i will get to. But principally, the Republican Leadership has allowed three committees to be run, clearly by democrats. I see adam schiff on tv all the time. Mark warner is running the senate committee. Can you imagine lets take it in political physics. Can you imagine if Hillary Clinton would have won, and Chuck Schumer and nancy pelosi were the heads of the senate and house, that you would have three committees investigating president Hillary Clinton, with republicans running those . Of course not. Charlie at the time that you met donald trump, impressed by him, impressed by his curiosity, his attention was he at that time talking about the birther issue . This is 2010. Steve never brought it up. Later, he did approach me, and we talked. Not the birther issue, he did approach me about putting up i think he later did it but myself and donors, if we would be interested in matching a reward if they turned over president obamas college records, they would be a donation of 2 million or 5 million. It never came together. But i think before 2012, he did a video in his office where he said, i think Occidental College would put up the funds. But ive never had any conversation with him at all where we talked about the birther. I think on the campaign, september or october, we had a session where we went to his hotel and said, president obama was born in the u. S. Charlie but that came after a long period of making a big public issue for him. Steve Andrew Breitbart was very famous for not being a birther site. At the First Tea Party convention in 2009, or early 2010, where sarah palin kicked it off, the Opening Night was my film generation zero. Andrew introduced it. He and joe farrar got into a tussle. Joe had gotten up and started with the gospel of matthew, went through all the lineage of jesus, and he said even jesus christ needed a birth certificate. The place went crazy. Our site was not worth bi rthers. Charlie so that was not an issue or something you believed in. Steve i read the paper and everything in hawaii, it all of the imagination it could happen, but anyway, talking about social security, it was a big issue for a while. My issue was never where he was born, my issue were his policies. I never heard President Trump ever mention that one time. Charlie how did you get involved in the campaign . Steve i never spent much personal time with trump. Even with cpac, my sister or other people in the company would go up. I did not spend 15 minutes in the interim years with donald trump. He came on my radio show, and was on the pages of breitbart. If i go back to 2013, i had a meeting with Jeff Sessions and his young aide, stephen miller. This is after his 2012 defeat. We had a dinner. The rnc was coming out with the autopsy report, which said you had to go to Something Like gang of eight amnesty, all this, it became the lexicon of the Republican Party. I read an analysis that talked about how workingclass people had not come out and voted for mitt romney, and it would have made a difference. I started doing some analysis about the workingclass movement and populist movement, what it can do in a general election. I had a dinner with Jeff Sessions, kind of an agrarian populist, who was kind of the spiritual head of the mission. Movement. I said that trade is a big number 100, and immigration is two or three. If we ran a campaign to focus on Economic Issues of the country and got people to understand how trade is so important, and immigration is inextricably linked to the suppression of the wages for the workingclass and pulling down the middle class we , can set this on fire. I said, you will not win the primary or be president , but we can use this as a vehicle to get into the general conversation. And senator sessions said, i agree 100 . Im not the guy, but i agree. That person will arrive. Charlie and he became an early supporter . Steve intellectually, always. You could tell remember, the huge battle in 2013 for immigration, which was really the civil war of the Republican Party, that gang of eight. In june or july it got voted down in the house. It was really tearing the party apart. The following year, eric cantor, majority leader, first time in american history, he got defeated by a guy who raised 200,000 on the issue of immigration and trade deals. We could see it would get traction. I was following trump at the time at small forums. You could see trump was starting to talk about these issues, particularly trade with china, nafta, bad deals. I could see the applause. No other republican would talk about it. He would talk about immigration, it lima illegal immigra