And retail and return. The making of making the return of a merchandise a more customerfriendly experience. Thats the return of friendly. Ell talk to the creo. Four potential competitors are demanding that Mark Zuckerberg be forced to give up control of facebook. In a lawsuit they accused facebook of anticompetitive behavior. They want the social network to sell its whats app and facebook asset. Facebook says the claims are without merit. We are joined by the colead council in the case. Great to have you. Thanks for having me. I wanted to break down some of this piecemeal. First, i wanted you to talk about Mark Zuckerberg and giving up control of facebook. Is this even possible . And why . Control incontestable over the company. His class of shares overpower the class a shares. He has Carte Blanche to do whatever he wants with that company. He has control over the board. When you look at the details of our lawsuit, the anticompetitive scheme was hatch and executed and at times executed straight from him. Theres no reason to believe that if you divested a few facebook key assets here or here or awarded damages that you would ever fix the markets. You have great distortion of the markets. And hes at the center of it. I want to talk about some of those distortions that you mentioned, one of which or the lawsuit is alleging really at they would like whats app to be soldoff from facebook. Whats the antitrust lawsuit going on there . A lot of major news reported including scukerberg on his blog that theyre rapidly integrating facebook, whats app and the core faced pickup trucks. The reason we moved quickly to bring this suit is that once that integration is over it will be impossible to break this up. It will be impossible to take the giant amalgamation of data that that generation will create. That back end generation and ort of put the genie back in the bottle. Right now the markets are segmented. What happened at a global presence, facebook and ore products are u. S. Heavy. When the back ends are integrated these products can communicate with each other. And youll have two billion people in one giant social knelt work. And at that point, we dont thet a normal remedy will fix things. So then how did this even get approved when all of these deals are going flew the first place . Well, you know, whats interesting is how regulators think of competition. And sometimes kit be a bit formalistic. At the time i think they didnt think of an app, a third Party Mobile App as a competitor of a social network. But in reality what theyre competing for is that User Engagement and the social data that comes from it. Which is why a messaging app is a direct threat to facebook because people use it, interact with it. And you get that data that you can then use to target content and sell advertising. Thats what theyre all vying for. What a regulator will often do is these two do very different things. Theyre not in competition. But now, we know, and we know from facebooks own documents that were published on nbc news that they did very much find things like dating apps and messaging apps to be in direct competition with them. And so when a regulator looked at this, they probably werent didnt have the sort of view of the marks that would tell them that they were waiting this incredibly concentrated market. You know, i think one of the issues here is you have a lawsuit coming by four smaller competitors. How you do make this seem that its not just four small competitors angry at the bigger guys market share . Well, the first thing to mention is you know, youre ways going to have a monopolist extinguish thing as quick as possible. Some of them were chat perhaps and messaging perhaps and competition with facebook. There was a dating app. And now we know tinder is this massive success. And we really dont know what would have happened if facebook didnt sort of choose sides. A lot of what were alleging is at when facebook pulled core a. P. I. s out of its platform and it decided this in 2011, it let Developers Think that their platform was stable for three years before they even made a piece that they were going to pull it. And while they did that, they tarkted the ones they wanted to win, the apps they wanted to win. And they asked them for their most sensitive data. And so what happened was the distortion occurred at the time my clients were competing. They never had a chance. And so, you know, their size, i wouldnt think is very dispositive. The second point i want to make is were proceeding as a class because facebook looked, checks checked and found that 40,000 apps were affect bud their decision and 1,000 of theton appears hada had 80 of them that were going to be affected by the decision. If we can establish liability were establishing for everyone that is hurt. If anyone else is hurt they should do it they should bring the suit now. So well, thank you so much, yavar bathae. I do want the bring you facebooks statement that were getting. Responding saying that we operate in a competitive environment where people and advertisers have many choices. In the the current environment where they see financial opportunities claims like this are unexpected but they are without merit. We will bring you more on the case. I do want to bring in kurt wagner of bloomberg intelligence. Both of you are here with me as well covering facebook from multiple different angles frsm the facebook perspective what, appears to be the bigger threat . The part that perhaps people want Mark Zuckerberg to lose sop of his big controls state or a threat against this anticompetitive behavior . Theyre one in the same is that Mark Zuckerbergs control has led to a lot of these phonetial problems. Or at least thats what critics would say. It seems to me that they would be able to take this control considering hes the guy that controls the votes but at a bigger risk that they would split up facebook. I dont think that would happen. Instagram is a huge part of facebooks current revenue and whats app messengerer are considered a potential revenue and a reason why people invest into the company. Do investors care . You get a lot of these smaller lawsuits coming their way. Is this a threat really in any sense . We kind of saw that really over the last year when you actually look at the valuation of the company, you look at the expectations for 2020, they sort of cable down. Earnings actually came down a lot more. And some of these valuation and expectation metrics were sort of reflecting, you know, regulatory issues and issues like that as far as a breakup scenario is concerned, our antitrust analysts continues to see like low odds of that happening. But even if that does happen at some point, we have to think about some of the parts and how does that impact investors. And thats where theres some comfort. If you look at these Properties Stand alone, their value stand alone would be higher than whats respected at the moment. I want to look at this shown inside my terminal because we were looking at the p. E. Racial that the valuation of fashion book facebook was cut in half. I should say lower than some of the other come pet tores given some of the news around them. Where do they stand in some of the antitrust pieces . Im thinking the d. O. J. , the f. T. C. If that does present a head wind on the stock in your opinion . If you look at the xpectations on the spence expense side, two or three guidance that they gave for 2020 was very aggress it. 54 billion in costs and expenses. Whats important for this year for facebook from a fundamental standpoint, the expectations are rnl. Thats in line with what the market tiers that weve been talking to are expecting next year. Its on the top of their list in terms of increasing ad budgets among the other players out there. And also facebooks futures increasingly looking beyond advertising. You know, were thinking ecommerce, reality, payments, not talking about liber and what theyre trying to with whats up app. Theyre walking back from whats app. So diversefication beyond advertising is not capturing expectation for facebooks longterm growth. What we are seeing is this year if they come out and show progress on any of these fronts then that will change the story and the narrative for the next couple of years. Kurt, react to that because weve been talk about whats app and the payment and that getting into some other business opportunities. This has been the discussion around facebook is can they figure out a different business line than just ads. Theyve clearly shown they can make advertising work very well for them. But with ecommerce with instagram and whats app and possibly messengerer these are big opportunities. One of the things theyre doing now is basically trying to serve as the connective tissue with businesses that may not have a website or other types of Software System to send receipts. What if you receive your seat via whats app message and you can charge the business for that kind of relationship. Twhass they envision is a diversefication. But weve been talking about this for a couple of years and they havent hit anything to date. So thats why, you know, theyre such an advertising heavy business. Most analysts think they are poised to continue to benefit from that as well Going Forward in 2020. Thank you. Rt wagner, you will be sticking around with us. Elon has a new advisor, musk. What will he do to fix the platform . We will find out next. Jack dorsey wants to improve the social network who did he go for advice . Elon musk. Dorsey spoke to the tesla c. E. O. In front of thousands of twitter employees. He asked musk to give some direct feedback. Here to tell us more about musk advice is kurt wagner. Before we get to the advice how did this come apart what where you have elon musk on a video screen . Kind of a fun story, right . Twitter was at this offsite in houston. They flew all of their employees in. Jack dorsey from the video i saw looks like he pulls up an ipad. And he literally facetimes elon musk. They have some actual issues getting the audio to work. And voila theyre talking on this big screen above jack dorseys head and the Employee Base are watching. So whats the advice . The advice is hey, you should do a better job of identifying eal people on twitter versus bots or real face users. He said it will be really hard to get real feedback. Are people that are complaining Real Customers . Are people who are complaining have issues with tesla cars . What is that . When you cant tell a bot from a real person on the network it can make things difficult. There does seem to be a real issue. I feel like a lot of the hate mail, a lot of the negative comes on twitter. Dont get that much on instagram or facebook. How has twitter not been able to control that as much as some of the other social media companys . I mean, it comes back to real identity which is the term facebook uses all the time because they say, hey, in order to create a profile has to be your true self. You have to use a real photo. If they believe that youre not, you know, your real self theyll ask you, send in a drivers license. Prove you are who you are. Twitter doesnt have that. Thats part of what makes twitter fun. They have these anonymous accounts. It creates a real opportunity for people who want to be helpful, who want to be trolly or negative because they can hide behind any email that they can get their hands on. And its hard to police that way. I wanted to ask you, give me your quick thoughts. Twitter for the Advertising Market . Theres no comparison. Facebook in a league of its own. Facebook and google are way up here. Twitter is way down here. I dont see them that coming closer unfortunate. Always a good flexibility conversation with bloombergs kurt wagner. Thank you for joining us. And coming up, why verizon decided to stop its bundles and contracts. Well hear from their c. E. O. Cable Companies Struggle to adoopt the new normal of watching content. But verizon believes it has found a way. We spoke with the c. E. O. On how the company is staying relevant. Of course, we sat down and thought about what do our customers want to have . And what what a companies are resonating with our value and will make something . Remember, we have the best network. I would say we have a fantastic brand and we have a distribution and know what we have when it comes to customers. Thats what we bring to the table. So these customers get free access, whether its apple music or disney. Whats the payoff . And are there more partnerships coming . I say you get it free from the beginning and then were throwing them into paying customers. That model is that we have a lower cost at the beginning and we get Something Back when they get pague. We now know how many of our customers will be turning around because we have so good of our Customer Base who wants it. So thats thats how we do it. And of course, yes it might be m. Ly do it only with brands that really believe is sticking up to our values. As well as for our customers. Talk about the amazon deal. We talk so much about the cloud and amazon web services. What does that enable you do do . It is extreme exciting. I spent we spent almost 1 1 2 years with amazon to do this we are bringing the Cloud Service out to the edge together with 5g in order to get super low and applications. Or this is the first time in the world where actually we have seen that project. Amazon couldnt have done it by themselves because they dont have wireless 5g. Verizon couldnt have done it by ourselves because we dont have cloud software. It is so transform tiff that basically you can click on our first 5g website in chicago and start developing an application with 5g. Of course, its a transformative. Think of us have hundreds of them, maybe thousands of them other time where you have Big Data Centers maybe less than 10 in the country. We can then tie the experiences of low lay tense si. And theyre going to the internet and get the facts back. Autonomous cars and realtime a. R. V. R. , intelligence all of that can be at the end. Thats why were so excited about this partnership and what we launched. That was verizon c. E. O. Hans vestberg. It is also the focus of a new push senator mark warner of virginia. He wants to create a western version different than that offered by huawei. He joined bloomberg with chief washington correspondent kevin cirelli. 5g and the issue of huawei has been over the last year plus, bipartisan issue. This is one area where theres a lot of us who are in agreement with the administration. We have to prevent huawei from dominating the 5g market place. If we allow the market to play out, theyll end up with 60 , 70 . What we have not been able to offer in america that purchase huawei, even if you convince theyre the National Security issue what,s the alternative. China has put up 100 billion to back huawei which has got pretty good equipment. They allow it to price that equipment and allow enormously attractive financing plans. What we have to get to the next generation of whats called open radio access network, we in our legs would put up over a billion dollars to support that kind of development and that kind of International Effort to finance huawei. Dtohead from where does the company come from . From a certain spectrum that should be allocated to 5g. Currently there are satellite carriers that give up that spectrum. The proceeds some of the proceeds will go to build back up broadband. How do we dwp a western alternative to huawei . We believe that will be an orand network. We have to do more to shore up those competitors to huawei, and samsung. Right now germany has a tough decision to make. Huawei hard. Ushing whats the message to germany . Not only germany but the brits are making this decision as well. They have huawei equipment. I think most of their Security Apparatus realized its not a good longterm solution to have your whole network dependent on a 100 on a pure chinese supplier and particularly a supplier like huawei that has m. Ch close ties to the can we move this away from kind of a single stat, single providor to a more open base softwaredriven system . Thats where orand will build a bridge to and the fact that our government would make that kind of down payment that i hope would spur other development from other western nations who dont want to rely on china. Timetable, end of the year . My sense is this is the kind of legs that needs to pass sooner rather than later because until we have a plan not just coming out of america but for the west at large huawei is going to continue to win . To win. Before the election . Another country because they dont feel theres a viable western alternative. Theres not even a viable western alternative is going to turn to huawei,. If we can put together an organized plan i think we can stop which will be a major National Security issue. That was senator mark warner of virginia. We look at what phase one of the u. S. China trade deal mean for Tech Companies. Amazon receiving a less than warm welcome in india. All next. This is bloomberg. Here, it all starts with a simple. Hello hi how can i help . A data plan for everyone. Everyone . Everyone. Lets send to everyone wifi up there . Uhh. Sure, why not . Howd he get out . a camera might figure it out. That was easy glad i could help. At xfinity, were here to make life simple. Easy. Awesome. So come ask, shop, discover at your local xfinity store today. This is bloomberg technology. Im kayla riggs in san francisco. After three years, the u. S. And china have signed phase one of their trade deal. President trump and the chinese vice premier put pen to paper where it will have a Significant Impact on the tech world. To talk about phase ones completion and all of the other talk tech stories of the week, were joined by tom plak and tom giles. Tom, in your world what changed on wednesday with the signing of phase one . Just enough to deep Technology Industry interested. Paris, instructions on trade with huawei for example which have proved problematic for many in the Technology Industry are still in place. Hes left us in suspense for many, many months. Hat said there were changes in intellectual property. There are going to be some limits around that. So there was some progress made. And that is something that