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media. and, i thought he was a reasonable guy. i believe he was a reasonable guy. and i said, how long is he going to carry on, with this stolen election stuff? where is this gonna go? and by that time meadows had caught up with me. and leaving the, leaving the office, caught up with me. they said look, i think he's become more realistic, they know that there is a limit to how far they can take this. jared said, we're working on it. >> harry, given that, clearly they are trying to ask, clearly asking questions of trump's mindset here. >> for sure, one of the things supposedly jared said is that he actually believed trump had, what the election, it had been stolen. it doesn't really matter, because we had also learned last few days, there are some very good statements, including one by mark milley. and one by his communications director. that make it clear he has lost. that's what the prosecution will put on. and jared, if he's a defense witness they know what he's gonna say. i just want to say i think it's