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>> absolutely. >> now they're going to pay a big price. i knew ruby giuliani when he was a powerful effective mayor, and to see where this man is now, it is heart-breaking to see this. >> all for one person. >> yeah. >> well, you know, i -- the way in which some of these folks like ruby and shea were picked out of obscurity, just people posting videos online and then maligned like this, i mean, you don't have to have a file and information to know that -- >> their lives were destroyed. >> -- that it is wrong to do that. but maria and charlie, thank you all for joining us for this. coming up next, ron desantis says he would consider anti-vaxxer rfk jr. to lead the fda or cdc. plus, a serious question tonight about senator mitch mcconnell after he froze mid sentence and had to be escorted away during a press conference. and chris wallace joins me on how more and more republicans are pouring cold water on the