Liz cheney was among the 199 who voted to keep the qanon on her committee. You have the guts to impeach the president for inciting the January 6th Insurrection but you vote to keep Important Committee assignments with a qanon person, a person already all over the vakt acts of the day, and someone who echoed deneithers to Kill Democrats and says you will no better than they are. How crazy is this . The qanon lady has more support in that party than cheney, by a lot. How do we see it . 61 republicans voted to remove cheney for her Leadership Post very voting to impeach trump. Almost six times the support. Now, for her sake today, she admitted that everything she has said is a lie. School shooters are absolutely real. I also want to tell you 9 11 absolutely happened. I never once said during my entire campaign qanon, i never said any of the things i am being accused of today during my campaign, i never said any of these things since i have been elected for congress. These were words of the past. No, no such thing. Youre not accused. You said them. But i like the defense. I didnt kill anyone. Today. Great. So tell us this. Why did you lie about it all . Where is that piece in this . This transparency. Saying School Shootering for fake. Jfk was killed by the clintons and 9 11 was real. What about the pentagon attack . Are you going to clear this up . So thecalled plane that crashed into the pentagon. There is no evidence of a plane that crashed in the pentagon. She didnt mention that today. Or echoing calls to Kill Democrats. 199 republicans. And did you see the new mask . Free speech. What happened to the ordinary mask. Look at her. Stop the steal. She believes the lie that led to the insurrection . Free speech. I dont think she gets that having a right to Say Something doesnt make anything you say right. Free speech doesnt mean free from any consequence. When you spread poison like stop the steal and trump won, theres a consequence. We saw it. We lived it. Here it is. People get hurt. Cops die. Cops get maimed. A democracy gets shaken. People lose fingers. Lawmakers, all but her because shes part of the crew, they get hunted. They hide. Lets be honest. You have not seen many republicans talking much about the six, have you . Think for a moment. You see any addresses, people standing up and swearing their life blood that go against these who tried to destroy no, no, not like they did when there was violence and protest about race. I wonder why . I wonder if the qanon lady would get such support if she was a black person. What its worth, her statement on the floor of Congress Today was a lie. She said she was led to believe things. No, no, she chose to believe things. When it worked for her. To stir up the ignorant and vulnerable. And she lied today about when she stopped. Listen. Late er in 2018 when i start finding misinformation, lies, things that were not true in the qanon posts, i stopped believing it. She did, huh . You stopped it in 2018 . Okay, so what about this interview in july that our friends at the k file found . The video you say quote q is a patriot. Do you believe that . Is that what you believe . I have only ever seen patriotic sentiment coming out of that source. Drinking babys blood . No 9 11 . That is patriotic to you and your party. The gopq. Qanon members are patriots, 199 votes. Now, another lie. Because the truth is supposed to matter. Especially on the floor of congress. Now she says this about school shootings. School shootings are absolutely real. I know the feel that david hogg had that day. I know the fear that kids have. Our children are our future and they are our most Precious Resource . He knew fear . A kid who is deathly afraid of guns, reminding him you have a loaded one on new. Im a gun owner. I have a concealed carry permit. I carry a gun for protection. That is david hogg. She chased him down the street. Now she says, i feel for him. Look, she is the worst of us. This is easy, what im doing. I can beat her down all night long, with her own words. Easily. The point is, the gopq forgave it all shes luckilyy that the real pa died recently, reborn as the gopq. You will see all the faces on the bottom of the screen, malformed, and the man who made it acceptable. Hes the real q, isnt he . Trump . Hes your daddy, bellowing most of the bs that now defines that party. And when called out to stand by lies with a price attached for lying, wilts. Trump once again refused to testify under oath today at his up coming trial, just like with mueller. Just like in his first impeachment. Id love to. I cant wait. Remember . He wouldnt do it because lies carry a price under oath. But he is no different than anyone in the party. They all want to duck the impeachment. The question becomes, what do the men and women on the right side of the aisle think they gain by this, and what did it cost them . And what did it cost all of us . We turn to better minds, Johnson Swine and charlie denton. Gopq, charlie. That is the diversified party name you belong to. Sentiments . Its malpractice they put themselves in this position. The democrats did what republicans should have done themselves which is never to have allowed Marjorie Taylor greene on to any committees. They have done that from the get go. And what is worse, now theres a vote. Democrats are very good at saying moderate republicans are right wing nuts, and republicans say centrist democrats are right wing nuts. Now there is a book, and qanon republicans, Marjorie Taylor greene republicans. Good luck arguing precedent, and process to defend allowing her to serve in the education community. Brother swan, first, love the work. Good to you have on the show. What is the linking thought makes these men and woman, votes to say the impeachment is unconstitutional and refuse to recognize the events of january 6th the way they have all summer long . The lincoln thinking, they are voters. We did a poll at axios that shows that Marjorie Taylor greene is vastly more popular among voters than Mitch Mcconnell or liz cheney. Think about that for a minute. That is stone cold fact. Republican voters in the polling with three times more likely to align their beliefs with Marjorie Taylor greene than with liz cheney. So Kevin Mccarthy is stuck in the middle. He has his base, and they are more aligned with Marjorie Taylor greene and they are giving small dollar donations, and then he has his corporate donors who are repulsed in many cases. He is trying to fight off losing his corporate donors and also trying to manage the base of the party and where the real energy and pop laularity is. Thats the situation, that is the politics of the situation. A quick followup. Is it the attitude she conveys more than the substance . It takes you inside the room of people arguing about what is going to happen and whats not going to happen. The idea of renegade, reckless, blow it all up. They all suck. Is it what they think, other than they drink babys blood . You use the word substance and it seems misplaced in this instance. Im not aware of policy views she has other than i stand for the Second Amendment and guns and whatever trump says. Its an attitude. What youre saying is right. Its an attitude and its a sort of screw them attitude, rt Middle Finger to washington. But more than that, its also easy simple solutions. Part of the reason the meeting you just described in the oval office, this is one of most deranged meetings in the oval office in recent history. Maybe the most deranged. Sydney powell in there telling him to commendeer the election, and the facts, that is not good enough. The appealing message, the person who came to you and says, here is a Conspiracy Theory that explains everything, and here is a path to victory. Its so easy. Just give us the keys. What changed in i got uncles in your party. I married into your party. Conservatives, value, think about taxation, it matters how you treat people. Core, conservative values. How did you get to this point . Its clear to me that what happened over the years is we stopped debating public policy. Its not about policy. Its about attitude. Its about anger. Its tribalism. That is where the party is. The sad part now, what will happen, i fear, and its depressing to hear the numbers that jonathan cited, that the Republican Party will fracture. It will be factionalized. A minority, and people who will be appalled or a complete schism, a break. The Republican Base is actually shrinking. Yeah, its more loyal to the extreme elements like trump, but its shrinking. And long term, this is not a way to win majorities. And Everybody Knows it. So the partys in a deep, dark place right now. We can thank dotrump for that. We look at the impeachment, and i said in the opening that trump is really q. And he is as much a father of the toxic thought as anybody that is identifiable. What will the impeachment mean in terms of how it comes to a head in your analysis . The trial . The funny thing about it, its completely different than the first impeachment of donald trump. In a sense when i talk to democrats whether it be on the hill or the biden administration, they just want it down quickly. Their view, this is not helpful to them. They dont believe they are going to find 17 republicans to convict donald trump, and anyone with common sense would agree with that. So joe biden sees it as a distraction to his agenda, and something that will make them look like they are looking backwards, trying to punish the previous president rather than moving ahead with the agenda. You know, when you talk about things like subpoenaing the president to come in and testify, i tend to think that is all theater. Lets get it over with and move on and be done and understand were not going to actually succeed here. Do you think there is a chance this type of gopq wants to do any kind of deal with the democrats . Or is this 2000, 2009, to a power of opposition . I think theres an appetite to do some deals. I think they would like to do deals on cyber security, and covid. I think theres a possibility they can do a deal on covid. I know a move is to a reconc reconciliation bill. There is plenty of opportunity here. I have to say back in 2008, 2009, 2010, the democrats were not trying to get a lot of republican buy in. They were clear, screw them. We had the votes. We remember what happened with the first relief big in 2008, 2009. Jonathan swan, still young and good looking but you and i looked like him back then and the republicans said they wanted to work with him, and all they wanted was the tax cuts and they didnt move one vote. Yeah, but they presented us with the bill at the time. They said heres the bill. And we said, can we make changes . I remember be there with no input on the process or the substance. That doesnt make you any different than the democrats either. Another problem that you isolate well in your reporting, im out of time here, but the leadership does everything now. You literally have a room of four people. The majority, the house and the senate, they do all of it and you get guys like charlie, he was in a position of authority. But a lot of senators will say, i didnt get to see it. Today d not help. Jonathan swan, big fan, good have you on the show, charlie denton, appreciate the perspective, brother. Thank you. All right, so you have to look at the question. It will shape it will be the next six, seven months. Why republicans are happy to stand with a qanon kook. They have to be banking on hate, anger, fear, and what aboutism . What about Maxine Waters . Inciting an insurrection on the capitol. 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Why would you vote to protect someone who does what she does . What she said was before she was a member of congress. She denounced qanon and she was very open about what happened, and i dont know. But im not perfect. I made mistakes, and i felt like it moved the conference. The same time, its unprecedented what the democrats have done here. And you said it going in the commercial break. You said what about omar. When she says israel has hypnotized the world, and the holocaust, it gives her a calming feeling. You have aoc who says the point of protests says its to make people uncomfortable. And we go back to joe biden in 1977 we he said integration would create racial quote, a racial jungle. And you have a former hang on a second. Congressman. The idea of running away what she said naming things other people said is not a great defense. And heres why im not saying it as defense, but its a double standard. Its not a double standard. It will be congressman, here is why i dont see you calling these poem out. They did nothing that compares against someone being at the center on of the insurrection. How do you see she was in the middle of the riot . Qanon was all over the place back in august on fox, she denounced qanon. I never heard her denounce anything. In july of 2020, she said she has never seen anything but patriotic themes from qanon. In july of 2020. I will play it for you right now. You have her wrong. But more importantly, mark wayne, you know shes full of it. You know what she said today was the absolute minimum. She was wearing a mask that said stop the steal up until today. That is as ugly a lie of any of them. Im not trying to defend what she said in the past. Yeah, you are. No, no, no one can defend what she said in the past. You did with your vote. She asked for forgiveness, and were going to move on because its inconvenient. At that point, she said what i said in the past isnt who i am. Im going to believe her from that. She just said it in july. The other people in the Democrat Party, where was your outrage when you talk about what what talib and omar and cortez has said. None of them are doing anything like what this and you know it. Wrong, wrong. She was calling to Kill Democrats. Mark, you know this stuff. You dont need me to tell you. What i want to know is this. What are you getting out of in . What are you getting out of defending something as ugly as she is . Why . Im not defending what she said. What im defending and the Republican Party is she part of your party . That is including you, chris. You dont call out the members of the Democrat Party mark wayne mullen, if any democrat says that republicans drink babys blood she endorsed the beliefs of qanon. You with out inning words no, im not. Listen to the july sound bite. I dont want to argue with you. Its not dproductive. I have one more whquestion. The video, you said q is a patriot. Do you believe that . Is though what you believe . I have only ever seen patriotic sentiment coming out of that source. Mark, mark wayne, come on. Its right there. These are ugly beliefs. Shy used them for convenience. She is changing them now out of convenience, and you wouldnt even vote on a House Resolution to condemn qanon. Why do you need these people . I am not defending them. They are not part of the party. Im not defending her remarking either. She pub