Of any honest show of contrition as a member of that party that once claimed to stand for personal responsibility. The vote was 230 to 199 to strip her of her seats on the budget and education and labor committees. 11 republicans joining the democratic majority including illinois congressman adam kinzinger, who was not impressed by what she said at a Republican Party conference last night. Kevin mccarthy would have us believe she gave some serious apology. What did you hear . Yeah, so i dont like to go into a ton of detail from conference how about some . Ill tell you this. Yeah, ill give you some. Which is i didnt hear i didnt hear an apology. So no apology last night, he says. And certainly from what we heard today of her on the floor, none today. She spoke in the chamber and she didnt apologize. Well get to that in just a second. But first, before we go any further on her excuses and finger pointing we just want to pause for a second and just let you listen to her words and views that got her and all of us to this point. These are her words. Its her bigotry. And these are her Conspiracy Theories. Her words, her bigotry and her lies. Many americans are like blind sheep, just going through life not paying attention. There is an islamic invasion into our Government Offices right now. How do you get avid gun owners and people that support the Second Amendment to give up their guns . Maybe you accomplish that by performing a mass shooting into a crowd. Is you make them scared. You make them victims. And you change their mindset. The socalled plane that crashed into the pentagon. Its odd, theres never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. Kennedy getting killed in the plane crash. Thats another one of those clinton murders. Right . Q is a patriot. We know that for sure. Again, i dont have any proof of this, but were talking about who is q. So im going to tell you what he says. Many in our government are actively worshiping satan. Or they call moloch. Q is saying that they participate in pedophilia and spirit cooking. We already saw there was an email, came out of the wikileaks emails where was it cheryl mulls . And she told Hillary Clinton in an email that she was going to sacrifice a chicken to moloch in her back yard. Saudi arabia, The Rothschilds and soros he says are the puppetmasters that fund this global evil. Theres a onceinalifetime opportunity to take this global cabal of satanworshiping pedophiles out. Shes also pushed the Conspiracy Theory that California Wildfires were started by space lasers controlled by The Rothschilds, a family name which has been invoked by antisemites for generations. The congresswoman has also endorsed the Conspiracy Theory that sandy hooks shooting was staged, agreeing with a facebook commentator who posted none of the School Shootings were real or done by the ones who were supposedly arrested for them. By the way, that post is no longer available. Congresswoman greene also agreed with a now deleted claim that the Parkland High School shooting was a socalled false flag information. Now to her effort to rationalize or explain away some of that. On qanon heres what she said today. I stumbled across something, and this is at the end of 2017, called qanon. Well, these posts were mainly about this russian collusion information. A lot of it was some of what i would see on the news at night. And i got very interested in it. Later in 2018 when i started finding misinformation, lies, things that were not true in these qanon posts, i stopped believing it. That appears to be a lie. If in fact she had stopped believing by 2018, then why was she saying this in 2019 when she endorsed the qanon conspiracy about key officials just as Ruth Bader Ginsburg among them being replaced by body doubles . This woman has been grown over for how many years and all of a sudden shes walking straight upright like its a whole new person. Almost like a body double like Hillary Clinton. Yeah. Like a body double for Hillary Clinton. Its interesting. I do not believe that was ruth, no. I dont think so. That was in february 2019. She was still endorsing qanon Conspiracy Theories. In fact, as recent as december of last year a month after she was elected she was still on board, praising an article promoting The Cult In A Now Deleted December 4th tweet. That same month she told cnns ryan nobles this about qanon followers when asked to comment on House Speaker pelosis remarks about her ties to the cult. I think its unfair to criticize regular American People that just are looking things up on the internet. So any claim by the congresswoman that her dalliance with qanon was incidental, brief and more than two years ago is belied by her own statements and actions. She was a deep believer. In this statement today, again, On The House Floor at the seat of American Democracy she revealed an earlier explanation of her actions to also be a lie. Because if it werent for the facebook posts and comments that i liked in 2018 i wouldnt be standing here today and you couldnt point a finger and accuse me of anything wrong. Shes saying she liked a series of posts and comments on hateful topics. Not by the way that shes sorry for liking them. Only that her liking them got her in trouble. At any rate, she says she liked them. Except just last week she was trying to suggest she didnt really like them, that she wasnt really responsible. Listen to how much work the passive voice is doing in this tweet. Over the years ive had teams of people manage my pages. Many posts have been liked. Many posts have been shared. Some did not represent my views, especially the ones that cnn is about to spread across the internet. That was last week. Her saying many posts have been liked, many posts have been shared. By whom . By her . By her teams of people . She isnt exactly a head of state. How many teams of people have been tweeting for her . Why would she have anyone do that for her . In any case, her hiding from accountability behind the passive voice and blame shifting, it didnt reach its apex there, it was just a warmup for this masterpiece today. Because i was upset about things and didnt trust the government really because the people here werent doing the things that i thought they should be doing for us, the things that i just told you i cared about. And i want you to know a lot of americans dont trust our government. And thats sad. The problem with that is, though, is i was allowed to believe things that werent true and i would ask questions about them and talk about them. And that is absolutely what i regret. Didnt republicans used to say they were the party of personal responsibility . I mean, did you get what she just said . Shes saying she didnt trust the government, like a lot of people, and the problem with that is she was allowed to believe things that werent true and talk about them. So its the governments fault that she was allowed to believe things that werent true . I mean, she could have just said, you know what, i fell for a hoax, i believed all this stuff that was antisemitic and it wasnt true and im sorry, and ive changed my mind. But she didnt say that. She said shes blaming she was allowed to do this. As if if someone didnt step in and stop us we would all rink drink up hateful antisemitic Conspiracy Theories like mothers milk. The congresswoman might not know it but most people have more decency than that and most people own up to their mistakes. But she didnt. And you know why . Because shes making money hand over fist right now. From people who believe all the things that she believed and seems like still believes. The antisemitism, the qanon conspiracy hoaxers, the 9 11 deniers. She wont renounce the specific things she has claimed in the past because she wants the support of those people still. Even when she was afraid of being taken off her committees, which is what ultimately has now happened, she said okay, fine, in an interview with the examiner yesterday, she said okay, fine, that will give me more time to do the things that are important to me, fundraise. And shes been fundraising off this for weeks now. She could have clearly spelled out all the absurd beliefs of qanon today. But she didnt. She could have pointed out the antisemitism at the heart of some of her past statements and apologized for that. She didnt. She could have said today of course a plane full of our fellow citizens was flown into the pentagon and that was a horror. But did she say that . No. She spoke about 9 11 broadly. I also want to tell you 9 11 absolutely happened. I remember that day crying all day long watching it on the news. And its a tragedy for anyone to say it didnt happen. And so that i definitely want to tell you, i do not believe that its fake. Okay. Shes saying 9 11 happened. And she cried all day. She doesnt believe that 9 11 is fake. But even 9 11 deniers admit 9 11 happened. They just believe it was an inside job, that there werent planes, that these things were blown up from the inside, it was a plot, conspiracy. Whatever crazy notion they have. They believe an explosion occurred at the pentagon but believe it wasnt a plane hijacked by terrorists, a plane full of men, women, and children. Thats what Marjorie Taylor greene herself has said. The socalled plane that crashed into the pentagon. Its odd, theres never any evidence shown for a plane in the pentagon. So despite saying 9 11 absolutely happened, she hasnt taken that Plane Conspiracy Hoax back. And you know what else we didnt hear from her today . Remorse. At all. She expressed no remorse for the anguish that she inflicted in perpetuating such an ugly lie about a trauma that she herself claims to have cried all day over. She felt remorse that shed been allowed to believe things that werent true. Instead in her very next breath she lashed out at the media, at socalled cancel culture, then having not accepted any responsibility for anything she said the congresswoman from georgia tried to shove it all down the memory hole. These were words of the past, and these things do not represent me. They do not represent my district. And they do not represent my values. These are words of the past. These things do not represent me. These arent the droids youre looking for. I mean, think of this. Think of the possibilities. Your honor, when i told that bank clerk to hand over the money, those were words of my past. These things do not represent me. Or maybe gee, mr. Smithers, when i endorsed that racist post by the local kkk, that was before i even thought of applying for a job here. They were words of the past and these things do not represent me. You might not buy it. The judge might not buy it. But colorado Congressman Ken Buck seems to. I think a number of these statements that she made and in light on social media were inappropriate. She has apologized over and over again for those. And i think its clear that she is a freshman and those statements were made before she came into congress. They were made three years ago. Two years ago. You know, before she realized she might actually be able to win a seat in congress, before she hired pr people and consultants who told her youve got to clean up the crazy, just a bit. You still need money from the crazies so dont clean up too much but youve got to clean up just a little bit. You just need to be remorseful enough so your fellow republicans can welcome you into the fold. Well, they have. The congresswomans not apologized over and over again, as mr. Buck said. She didnt last night, according to congressman kinzinger. And as youve seen, she didnt today. She took no true responsibility for anything. And thats just the way things go now. Nobody apologizes for things. Not politicians, it seems. Certainly not the followers of the former president. Which seems to be okay with Republican Leaders in the house who voted not to discipline her today and said this after declining to discipline her last night. Its just an example, this Republican Partys a very big tent. Everyones invited in. So big tent for the party, or big top. Perspective now from a former ringmaster, Anthony Scaramucci who served briefly as Communications Director in the trump white house. Anthony, good to have you here. Marjorie taylor greene, she may be gone from her house committees. It just seems like such a giving up of responsibility by Republican Leadership. I dont know if they wanted im sure a bunch of them wanted the democrats to vote her out because not only does it get her off those committees but it also then allows them to just hammer the democrats for doing an unprecedented move that they can say is just incredibly partisan and totally unprecedented. Thats probably the game theory that theyre working off of, anderson. But the tragedy for the Republican Party is that theyve accepted all of this and theyve accepted this fear basis. This is a remnant and an afterglow of president trump. So theyre allowing the trumpism, if you will, that sort of radioactivity to pervade posttrump. And its very bad for them because long term youve got a very small group of crazy and you have a very large group of normal people. So what will happen is the normal people will say no mas to the crazy, theyll develop a center right party, split the party in two pieces, and then the republicans will be in the minority for a generation. So thats where things are going right now. And im just surprised at these guys because they know better. Kevin mccarthy knows better. He knows the path that hes on right now. Hes often subsumed with his own ambition. So all of that comes with a lack of morality and a lack of principles. But he actually does know better. If somebody intervenes on his behalf or throws water on him him and says what are you doing exactly, go back to your principles, go back to the core constituency of the Republican Party and shed this nonsense. So this is going to end in a tragedy for the Republican Party. But the good news is not a tragedy for the American People because the American People, the majority of them have caught on, anderson. You tweeted earlier today, i saw, you said the gop knows that trump sold them down a rathole. Stand up and speak the truth now. Move away from the darkness and to something more principled. I guess what evidence do you have that republicans are going to do that . I mean, i know you said this is going to be a longterm issue now for a while, for generations youre talking about divisions in the Republican Party. Only 11 House Republicans were willing to go on the record against Marjorie Taylor greene. 61 voted by Secret Ballot against liz cheney as conference chair last night because she voted her conscience to impeach trump. And mccarthy, i mean, what i dont understand, anthony, is the republicans had the opportunity here with the impeachment to finally rid themselves of the former president s influence over them for the next four years and they it seemed like there was a moment the night of the insurrection where a couple people were kind of sending up Trial Balloons and then they all just kind of decided you know what, thats not where the base is and we need their support. Well, first of all, i just want to say i dont have any evidence of that. Thats a statement that im making of what is i believe the right thing to do and the morally principled thing to do. But listen, i dont have evidence of that and i think its actually tragic that were in a situation right now where you have this level of acuity in terms of the leadership. Yeah, theyre following the money. Theyre fearbased. Theyre fearful of president trump. And the rise of trumpism primarying them. My message to them, if you stood on principle the way mitt romney has or a few others, kinzinger is an example, or representative cheney, youre going to be forever known as somebody that was capable of doing that. Its a courageous thing and its a brave thing. But what these guys are doing right now is political expediency. Its personal power preservation. And its blind ambition. And so listen, the great news about it is shows like yours and others are showing this so transparently to the American People that you know, the majority of the American People know this. So the Republican Party is going to end up on the current course splitting. There will be a centerright party formed by very smart responsible people that want to restore principle and want to figure out a way to get along and bridge a compromise with the democrats. And the republicans will be fighting it out for qanon supporters and people that are preying on each other, on their fear and on the nastiness of all of this mendacious conspiracy. Does the lack of specific contrition by this congresswoman today surprise you at all . She said she has regret and is a sinner but, you know, seemed more interested in fomenting Conspiracy Theories about the media taking her words out of context. Which would be laughable if her comments werent so often on tape and frankly just antisemitic at times and just sick. Well, listen, shes a disciple of president trump. So he doubles and triples down on the lies. 33,000, 34,000 lies. So of course it doesnt surprise me that shes doing that. I have to tell you this, though. I am surprised at certain people in the Republican Leadership. You know, Kevin Mccarthy once said to me at a lunch that washington needs more thermostats, anderson, we have too many thermometers that are just sensing the temperature and then theyre expressing that temperature back to the people. But what a thermostat does is you set the coordinates and then you guide people to that position because its morally right and its the right thing to do for the Country Irrespective of the political expediency. He literally said that to me at lunch. Where is that Kevin Mccarthy now in terms of what he is doing to that party . Yeah. And someone should get in his face and ask him that question. Well, like you said, its all about power. And its easy to say that at a lunch when youre feeling confident and you have the majority. When you suddenly start to Sense Winds Of Change or the floor falling out from under you, you know, people make different decisions about how to stay in power. Well, good men and women dont do that, though, anderson. They get anchored and they say okay, weve got to focus on whats right or wrong, not left or right, and if i lose my seat as a result of this at least my kids will think well of me. So were in a really bad state in that party right now and well have to see what happens. Im pessimistic for them unless they change course. Anthony scaramucci, i appreciate it. Thank you. Coming up next, how voters in congresswoman greenes district are taking the news. And the question, do some regret now voting for her . Later, Breaking News on the big final step today before a third Covid Vaccine comes online. But also the politics and Conspiracy Theories fueling the antivaccine movement. Ah, a package you know what this human ordered . A backache. Consider pain, delivered. Pain says you cant. Advil says you can. If you have postmenopausal osteoporosis and a high risk for fracture, now might not be the best time to ask yourself, are my bones strong . life is full of make or break moments. 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Tonights vote stripping congresswoman Marjorie Taylor greene of her Committee Assignments has done more than just put her bigoted beliefs in the spotlight, it also raises questions about what her voters thought they were getting when they sent her to congress. Tonight gary tuchman is in her district in dalton, georgia. What have you been hearing, gary . Well, anderson, here in Marjorie Taylor greenes district there are lots of people who voted for her who are growing disenchanted with her, and we know that because its been very easy to find those unhappy greene voters. This is dalton, georgia. Its known as the carpet capital of the world. Its also the second largest city in this very republican district. Here in Downtown Dalton theres a large billboard thats been put up. The billboard says Representative Greene, resign. You lied about the election, the capitol was attacked. It was put up by a National Republican group that doesnt much like the congresswoman. We can tell you that donald trump held a rally here in dalton two days before the capitol insurrection. Now greene has not publicly apologized for anything. We can tell you that Representative Greene has talked to constituents. She thinks the constituents still all like her. We can tell you, though, that there are many who dont, as we have seen throughout our visit here. We wanted to give you a listen to what they have to say about the congresswoman and the situation. Do you think she should be taken off these committees in congress . I dont think its a bad idea. You think she should resign from congress . Might be better for her to do that before getting put out. And the final thing i want to ask, if you knew these things, you tell me you didnt, when you voted, would you have not voted for her . No. Reporter you voted for Marjorie Taylor greene. Yes. Reporter you know about the hateful and violent things she said or liked or done . Not all of them. Reporter not all of them but you know some of them. Right. Reporter and she hasnt apologized for. Does that bother you . It doesnt im not going to lose any sleep over it. But it doesnt reporter even the fact that shes Cast Doubt On whether a plane crashed in the Pentagon On 9 11 . I mean, families are still mourning today. Oh, yeah. Reporter does that not bother you . That does. Because something did happen. Reporter why doesnt she just apologize . Have you ever thought about that . Not really. Reporter does it trouble you . Not a lot. Not no more than Everything Else that goes on in washington. Honestly, man, i believe that i mean, ive done stuff that i regret, you know. And id hate for people to judge me on that. Reporter have you ever talked about Eating Babies . Because thats what qanon believes in. Thats what she supported in the past. Thats kind of different than other things, right . Yeah. I mean, yeah. I guess so. If youre talking about Eating Babies. Reporter thats not cool, right . No. I wouldnt say so. Reporter does that trouble you then . Yeah. With two babies id say it did. Reporter do you feel regret for voting for her . Knowing this now. Yes. Reporter you do . Mmhmm. Reporter so do you think there should be repercussions . Yes. Reporter do you think she should be taken off these committees shes on in congress which gives her power . Yes. Reporter you do . Mmhmm. Reporter do you think she should quit . She should think about it. Gary, Republican Leaders in georgia, or many of them in the official republican circles, have expressed support for her and say that you know, she was elected and shes representing the people well. The people youre talking to, are they following whats going on with her closely . Reporter a lot of people weve talked to know everything about it. But it is interesting that a number of the people we talked to knew very little or nothing about it, were just glad a republican is in the seat. Now, when we talked to them about the details and i showed them my phone and showed them some of the articles weve had on cnn. Com about it, sadly a lot of them didnt believe me. But frankly a lot of this really is quite unbelievable, right, anderson . Yeah. Gary, appreciate it. Thanks. Joining us now is cnn chief political analyst Gloria Borger and former republican congressman denver riggleman. Gloria, you heard some of congresswoman greenes constituents say that theyre bothered by some of the things shes said and done. Obviously, theres still a lot of support for her. Is there any reason to think not just in her district but around the country that enough republicans are bothered by them to force a Course Correction from where the party seems to be headed . That vote doesnt seem to indicate that. No. And if you look at two votes that you were talking about earlier, you had 61 votes to oust liz cheney from her leadership position, who voted with her conscience, and that was a secret vote. But then only 11 republicans to remove her from her Committee Assignments. So i think youd have to be pollyanna to think that the Republican Party would change course. The leader of the republicans in the house decided that he couldnt make a decision on this, which one would think it might be an easy decision for a leader to make. But it wasnt. Because he wanted to kind of please donald trump and please another wing of the party. So then he let the democrats do it so he could blame them. And i think the only way right now that the Republican Party would change course is if they decided that they were losing popularity as a result and their funding would dry up. And i think thats a real possibility. And congressman riggleman, Marjorie Taylor greenes funding has just increased. Shes certainly this is if anything, it made her i dont know if its more powerful even though shes been taken off committees. Its certainly made her more of a name and a Rallying Point even if people dont even like her personally. She just becomes a Rallying Point because shes sticking it to washington. What did you make of her statements today . Which are being portrayed as sort of an apology. You had Congressman Buck saying shes apologized over and over again. She actually hasnt. But what did you make of it . Trite. A lot of it was a lie. You talk about she said that she i guess dabbled in qanon in 2018, and you went through that list, anderson. She was also dabbling in qanon in 2019. And the fact is in December Of 2020 she deleted a tweet where she praised qanon on an article about the gab ceo. So you know, i guess i do have an advantage of being in intelligence in my past and having so many people supporting me around the country with looking at these videos now that im a Chief Strategist at the Network Research institute. But when i see Something Like that i get very angry and i think i get angry because shes still doing this. And by the way and im not trying to belabor the point. But wasnt she screaming about stop the steal after November The 3rd . Stop the steal is inherently q. Its inherently Conspiracy Theoryminded. Anderson, can i add that just this morning before she went on the floor to give her speech about how she was a victim of all of this she tweeted its not just me they want to cancel. They want to cancel every republican. Dont let the mob win. She isnt talking about the mob on january 6th. Shes talking about the democrats who are the mob. And congressman riggleman, now that greene has been bounced from her committees by her own admission according to what she told the washington examiner, this frees her up to what she wants to, do which seems to have nothing to do with actually legislating and everything to do with just becoming its like becoming an instagram influencer. You know, with fringe politics and fundraising that seems to be the goal here. Thats a bizarre influencer. Ive got to tell you, youre talking about space lasers and influencing, youve got a problem. Its almost like shes a Clickbait Congresswoman. You see people that think twitter makes them famous and the twittersphere is what they react to. Somebody once said, and gosh, it might have been paul begala, didnt he say that politics was hollywood for ugly people. I think thats what youre looking at right now. Thats what upsets me about this. I just want to talk about Conspiracy Theories. You know its starting to morph. When you look at Dodger Stadium and thats why i get so angry about this. Weve seen brand new hashtags that have come from q. Covid 1984. The new world order. Nwo. And now were seeing great reset as a hashtag thats exploding too. And thats because right now the gop does not want to face the fact theyve got a conspiracy problem. If we have a social influencer thats spreading tripe like that and poppycock all over tarnation. I cant believe i just used the word tarnation. But spreading that everywhere. You know, its getting crazy out here. But i just think were to a point now that if we cant have a conversation based on fact and its just on fantasy we have issues that are going to take a long time to root out. And its really about deprogramming people whove been listening to stuff coming from Marjorie Taylor greene and other big social influencers, and that includes the president. That whole idea of a Clickbait Congresswoman or congressman, its an interesting i hadnt thought of that title but i mean, it is, gloria, what a number of congresspeople seem to be aiming for. They just want they want clicks on their you know, that will ultimately go to their website, that will ultimately raise them money. Right. Thats what its about. But none other than Mitch Mcconnell said that this was a cancer in the Republican Party. And unless they put a stop to this, theyre going to be devoured by it. And thats how theyre going to be identified. And its no coincidence that the democrats are now starting to call the Republican Party the q party. And i think youre going to see that over and over again. And i think the fact that the leader in the house did not take a stand, which could have been pretty easy for him to do, actually, has opened a pandoras box here for the party. And its moral collapse. And congressman riggleman, for Kevin Mccarthy to claim he doesnt know what q is, if he doesnt thats like malpractice. I mean, thats political i mean, this is a really serious thing out there that has real world consequences and there were folks storming the capitol. If he doesnt know about them, hed better get an intelligence briefing. Listen, i know kevin. But not remembering qanon after youd said it so many times would be like me forgetting my wifes name after 31 years. Its everywhere. Right . I mean, you cant forget that. And i think part of this comes to the fact that hes trying to sort of push it back. Its that short memory syndrome that you have with politicians that they think somebodys just going to forget or you can stumble over something or sort of, you know, diminish the importance of this or how awful this is. And again, i think you said at the beginning, anderson, this theory is antisemitic. Its racist. And its bigoted. You have a congresswoman who said that ms13 was hired by barack obama to kill was it seth rich. Thats tough to get over. And thats why i think we have to move on. Congressman riggleman, appreciate it. Gloria borger, thanks. More Breaking News just ahead. House Impeachment Managers today asked the former president to testify at his Second Senate trial. How his legal team replied, when we continue. Have no byproducts. his voice baloney automated voice has joined the call. voice from phone hey, baloney here. I thought this was a no byproducts call . Land o frost premium. Fresh look. Same great taste. The epson ecotank. No more buying cartridges. Look at all this ink no it comes with. Ll . Big ink tanks. Lots of ink. No more cartridges. Incredible amount of ink. The epson ecotank. Just fill and chill. These folks, they dont have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps. 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What do you make of the former president declining to testify in the Impeachment Trial . Hes never cooperated with congress before. Are you surprised . Im not surprised. Although i would be surprised if he werent at least asked to testify because his lawyers made an enormous blunder. Not the blunder of misspelling United States but the blunder of denying facts that were obviously true. For example, they said that when the president said if you dont fight like hell youre not going to have a country anymore what he meant was that he was in favor of election reform. Well, obviously that doesnt make sense. They claimed in their answer that he wasnt trying to interfere with what congress was doing on january 6th when we know that he was threatening the Vice President directly and saying that the Vice President had better do something about the electoral count. Well, when you put those facts in issue, youre basically opening the door. And youre creating a situation in which if youre unwilling to testify youre supporting a negative inference, an inference that you are as guilty as it appears you are. So they didnt just stick with their rather weak constitutional theory that the senate has no business trying him. Instead they wandered out into the world of fact and then they expect us to believe that the president is, what, too busy being expresident , too busy on the golf course . Why cant he testify . Theres no basis for it. But hes now given them ample opportunity and he certainly cant complain that were rushing to judgment without hearing his side of the story. You know, that quote you used from the president about fight like hell, you cant get your country back, its easy to forget that the entire rally that the president spoke to, theres a reason it was in washington on that day during those hours. It wasnt a coincidence it just happened to be on the same day that the results that the electoral votes were being brought into congress on that day and the election would finally be decided. If you ever had to fight, that was the only day left to fight. Thats right. I mean, that was the climax of an effort that has been carefully documented and will be dramatically laid out by the house Impeachment Managers, an effort that included a taped conversation with raffensperger, the secretary of state of georgia, asking him to just find some extra votes so that he could flip the result in georgia. An effort that led to one lawsuit after another, 60 of them, that he lost. That was fine. But when he couldnt do it legally, he gathered people in washington, organized them, and then hes the one who told them to march on the capitol. Theres direct evidence that that wasnt their original plan. So as the house Impeachment Managers put it, he aimed a cannon directly at the capitol and then watched gleefully while the mob took over and killed people and did what nobody had succeeded in doing since the brits, sacked the capitol in 1814. Thats serious. And when he says oh, no, i wasnt trying to change anything, it just happened to be january 6th and i was in favor of election reform, come on. Were not stupid. There are also he makes that claim, hes really got to testify or everyone will draw a negative inference from his refusing to testify. Theyre also making the claim that theres just not evidence to contradict what the president is saying about Election Fraud. The president believes that theres Election Fraud and there is insufficient evidence to prove otherwise. Thats just not true. Not only is it not true but theyre actually repeating the big lie. They are putting in issue in this trial the question of whether biden won the election. Well, thats not what the trial was originally going to be about. It was going to be about whether since donald trump lost the election it was okay for him to launch an insurrection, basically commit what looks like treason in the sense of engaging in war against the United States. Thats what it was about. But now he is basically using the forum of the senate to relitigate the question of who is the actual president of the United States. There are still people out there who believe in some magic way that march 4th is going to be the date that their champion, donald trump, takes over. And when he says im not going to show up because its a publicity stunt, hes obviously just shooting himself in the foot. Hes the only one that could possibly explain, and i dont know that he could say anything that could explain, but if anyone could he could. What it was he was doing that was innocent. What legitimate purpose can there have been for getting hundreds of armed people aroused and angry and furious and then aiming them at the capitol . Was that part of the effort to reform our Election System . Obviously not. Its his choice not to testify. But the American People will hear the truth and it will begin coming out very strongly on february 9th. Professor laurence tribe, appreciate your time. Thank you. Thanks. Just ahead another Vaccine Maker seeks Emergency Approval from the fda. Dr. Sanjay gupta joins us next with details. Im erin. And im margo. Weve always done things our own way. Charted our own paths. I wasnt going to just back down from moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis. Psoriatic arthritis wasnt going to change who i am. When i learned that my joint pain could mean permanent joint damage, i asked about enbrel. Enbrel helps relieve joint pain, and helps stop permanent joint damage. Plus enbrel helps skin get clearer in psoriatic arthritis. 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Another, states taking advantage of declining cases and Hospitalization Numbers. Today Michigan Governor Gretchen Whitmer announced that Youth Sports Practices and competitions would be allowed. Unfortunately, these encouraging signs come as Health Officials warn that new more transmissible variants of the virus could send cases and Hospitalization Numbers back up. And tonight a key model for Coronavirus Projects 631,000 total deaths by june. The ihme model, which we have cited throughout this entire pandemic, also says the vaccines should help death rates decrease even with the spread of the new variants. But with the country opening up it says Tens Of Thousands more could die. So for a status check where we are right now i want to bring in our chief medical correspondent dr. Sanjay gupta. So sanjay, Johnson Johnson asking for the fda to authorize their vaccine. Novavax has started the rolling out process of getting their vaccine approved. What kind of impact will all this have in the u. S. In terms of getting shots . Yeah, i think this will have a pretty significant impact. This is pretty extraordinary to think about the fact that we may have now three authorized vaccines within this time period. And i think its worth noting that that if this Johnson Johnson vaccine gets authorized its a singleshot vaccine. So 100 million doses, as you point out by june, means 100 million people. Which is obviously significant. A lot of people Pay Attention to the numbers in terms of how well this works. Let me just show you quickly, when you look at the Johnson Johnson vaccine a lot of people have been asking this question. Is this as effective as the other vaccines . What do these numbers really mean . I dont know if we have them. But basically yeah, there we go. The bottom line is the number on the right, 85 protective against severe disease. You know, anderson, i think this is really just a fundamental point. The things that we hope that a vaccine will do, protect us from getting really sick. No hospitalizations or deaths in the people who got the vaccine. Those are the sorts of things right now of people who are concerned, theyre worried, theyre at risk, if they can look at that and have some comfort i think it goes a long way. Weve obviously got to vaccinate more and more people. But this is a significant development. Cases going down across the country. But then weve also been sounding the alarm about these new variants. How effective i mean, how will they affect the overall numbers . Is that the biggest threat right now . I think that is. I think we were running into this position where the vaccines were coming out. We were starting to see the numbers come down. And the variants out there are muddying the waters a little bit. Youre right. First of all, cases are down 15 as compared to last week. Overall hospitalizations down 12 as compared to last week. These are significant drops. Death rates around 3,000. That sort of plateaued. But as you know, thats a bit of a lagging indicator. Its going to be the question of these variants in terms of overall numbers. Anderson, we looked at denmark just as an example because this is a country that sequences a lot of viruses. You get a positive test, it almost always gets sequenced. If we can show the graph there. Like in the United States denmark started peaking in mid december. And then theyve been coming down. What the red is is the variants. And you can see it started off as a small sliver of cases but it roughly doubles every week or so. Roughly. And after a while because its more transmissible it essentially crowds out the currently circulating coronavirus and it becomes the predominant coronavirus. But anderson, what it means is we have to vaccinate and weve got to still use the mitigation measures. Masks still really work in terms of protecting you, whether its a variant or not. And taken as a whole, weve been talking about covid on this program for a year now. In your mind are we at a point where the news is more hopeful than not . Well, its interesting. You talk to someone like michael osterholm, i know you talked to him and he said were still in the second or third inning here. Others ive talked to say were sort of more in the seventh inning stretch. Its hard to know. What i would say is were past the Halfway Point it seems in so many ways with the warmer weather, with more vaccines things are going to get better. It is a little bit of a race with these vaccines against the variant. Dot variants escape the current vaccination . Because theres too much virus still spreading it mutates more and more and the vaccines dont work as well. So its a race. If we end up with a tie game at the end of this we may go into Extra Innings i guess. But right now when we get into the fall, late summer i think we have a good chance of not saying normal because i think thats a whole different term nowadays. But a much, much better position. The key as far as the variants to me, the headline is youve got to get the vaccine as you possibly can. That seems to be the only way to stop, to really do anything about it. Were out of time. The vaccine works well against the yep. And masks. And masks of course. Absolutely. Sanjay, thanks, despite the public official warnings, theres prominent antivalanciunasers with Direct T On January 6th on a separate stage yet very much part of the election protest, this microrally had a different folkts. These are the antivaxxers. Forced Covid Vaccine, such a scam. Innocent people are being lined up, walking to their potential death. Their event, part pandemic denial, part stop the steal, part prayer service. For those participating in the capitol storm. We pay for the patriots that are there now, inside. Theyre trying to get inside that capitol. Lord, use these people to eradicate this evil. These swamp creatures, the cesspool of filth and waste. A cnn review finds the people involved in this microrally are locking the antigovernment stop the steal rally to the antivaccine connection. Some are connected to the Disinformation Network of roger stone. They name drop stop the steal organizer alley alexander, and are peddling the same type of conspiracy linked Health Products at alex jones, essentially turning conspiracy into business. This is war between good and evil. Antivaccine advocate introduced speaker after speaker, stopping occasionally to gleefully report what was happening in the capitol about a block away, her husband left the rally to join in. I asked if he was in the capitol. He said outside it. The capitol has been swarmed by patriots. Were winning. Also speaking, mickey willis, whose discredited video was viewed millions of times before being removed by youtube. Invited to speak, dr. Simone gold, the antivaxxer who seeks donations to pusher conspiracies. She became infamous with a stunt at the Supreme Court last year, appearing with doctors who claim alien dna is being put in medicine. This is what she said at a maggie rally january 5th. If you dont want to take an experimental biological agent, you must not allow yourself to be coerced. The next game, she went inside the capitol and was later arrested. Through her organization, she tells cnn she didnt participate in violence and rebukes such conspiracy. Conspiracy is the sauce that linked them all together, according to one who wrote a study about the antivaxx movement and said making money is at the heart of all of this. These are snake oil salesmen. And lets be clear, for the money. For the profit. Snake oil salesmen need to turn a profit. Thats apparent in The Business Of Ty and charlene bollinger. Its ty and charlene. They have their own Political Action committee and run two businesses centered on conspiracies. Their social media pages have more than a million followers. Have you heard the truth about cancer or the truth about vaccines . The bollingers live on 13 acres in this 7600 square foot 1. 5 million mansion in rural tennessee. Their cancer and vaccine websites are businesses marketing their video series that costs up to 500. An air purifier thats more than 300, Body Cleanses and other unproven products. Disclaimers warn nothing presented is intended to treat, cure, or prevent any disease, and any purchased through their sites means the bollingers will be paid in some way. While theyre not camera shy, the bollingers did not respond to multiple requests for comment from cnn. Andrew joins us now. Its tough to over state the dangers of the conspiracy, what do you know about its impacting. I University Poll just put out says 24 americans will not get the vaccine. 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