More, all coming in right here to cnn news central. Any moment now we expect the gilgo beach Serial Killer suspect to appear in court. This is rex heuermanns first appearance since pleading not guilty to the murder of three women. Police believe heuermann may have, in fact, committed those killings inside his familys home when his wife and two children were out of town and after an intensive search of the property his wifes attorney shared these photos of the aftermath of that search. Cnns jean casarez joins us live from outside the courthouse. Jean, often these appearances are procedural, but what do we expect to happen today and soon after . Reporter well, we just understood that media was just allowed into the courtroom, so it has not quite begun yet, but i think any minute this conference, this case has been set for conference today. I was told is the proper terminology. Ive been told by the Public Information officer theres nothing formally set that they are going to discuss, but logic tells you they are going to discuss the case. The defense will start receiving all of the discovery in the case. Hanging throughout is an application for bail, and ive been told by the court that they do not believe that today the defense will be asking for bail. They probably havent even gotten all the information that they need, but you never know what is going to come up at a hearing. Thats why its important to be in the courtroom, to be right here. Now we do know that the estranged wife of rex heuermann, asa ellerup, shes been dealing with so much at her home because of that execution of the Search Warrant and things were in such disarray because they are trying to find potential forensic evidence, anything that can link the defendant in this case with the victims being in that home. Now we also know through her attorney who spoke with cnn that there has been communication between asa ellerup and her husband, jailhouse phone calls. Now the attorney also says that is very well known. They are recorded. There is no privacy in a jail at all. So its just generalities that she never brought up anything about the accusations or about the charges at all. One other thing to note that the civil attorney for miss ellerup said to cnn was that in regard to her filing for divorce, that this was not a symbol of guilt or innocence, that she is trying to protect herself right now, and he said that there may be financial civil cases that are filed and this is her moment to protect herself and her children. By the way, no sight at all of his estranged wife and their children today it at this courthouse. The possibility according to investors murders took place in that house as well, jean casarez outside the courthouse, thanks so much. Heuermanns wife as we were noting there filed for divorce. Her attorney spoke with cnn about the extensive search of the family home and the trauma she and her children have been enduring once they found out what allegedly happened there while they were apparently out of town. Everything in the house was turned upside down. Dresser drawers emptied out. The bathroom tub, which was a vinyl tub, was cut open. The floors are ripped up. The couches and mattresses have been removed and just piles and piles of debris that were left in the residence where you barely had Walking Space to get into the house. I wonder what you would say to critics who would question how she could have not known about these allegations that her husband was an alleged Serial Killer. Has she had a chance to reflect on what people are thinking, perhaps . At this point no, but she had no idea this was going on or the allegations her husband was a suspect. Shes not a suspect. She has not been questioned by the police regarding any of this. Its been extremely overwhelming for her and the children trying to piece life back together, what it was two and a half weeks ago. I dont know if theyre ever going to return to normalcy. Has her husband tried to contact her from jail at all . Whatever conversations shes had with her husband im not at privy to discuss but she has not discussed the crimes or allegations. I understand she did file for divorce after his arrest. Does that indicate somehow her belief on his innocence or guilt . No, it does not. She the only thing she knows about the allegation is what the media has reported. Theres a Long Way To Go with the criminal trial. Shes filed to protect herself and Family Moving forward. All right. Lets discuss these new developments in the case a little further. We have legal analyst joey jackson with us, a criminal Defense Attorney, and scott bond, a criminologist and author. Okay. Joey, you hear asa ellerup, she has not been or she has been asked some logistical questions and she has not been asked questions as in a formal interrogation. What does that signal to you . Yeah. I think, brianna, good to be with you that the police have significant evidence. Obviously, theyve been working with prosecutors on the case to build something very strong. If you look through the 32page indictment in the case or the bail application, it gives an indication that police have been very thorough in conjunction with the prosecutors in getting the person they think are responsible is responsible, and the fact that they havent had contact with this wife to this point does not preclude the fact that they may look to interview the her at some subsequent point, but establishes to me that they dont need her per se to establish anything in connection with they believe based on Everything Else they have from cell towers to dna evidenced to, you know, just witness information and other things, that at the end of the day, they could establish this in her absence. I think thats what they will proceed to do but will look to see whether they establish contact with her at some point in the future. Scott, its clear that it according to what weve learned from police and the authorities, that the suspect was doing things to hide his behavior from his wife, night these cr righ . These crimes were committed sometimes while she was out of town, out of the country, he used Burner Phones as well. Is it pretty normal a lot of people say, how could a spouse not have any idea that their husband was a Serial Killer . Is it normal for that to be the case . Well, thanks for having me on. This actually is not surprising at all. A Serial Killer like this, who i believe is highly organized, a psychopath and probably whats known as a malignant narcissist, is able to compartmentalize. Hes a chameleon. Hes invisible in plain sight. So he is able to very convincingly function not only in public but at home. The Serial KillerDennis Raider who called himself bind, torture, kill, did the same thing. Tell us a little bit about these pictures. Weve seen them, youve seen them, the pictures inside of the house that have come out from the family, showing the aftermath of the police search, which was extensive, days long, cutting the section of the bath tub, ripping up the couch, what do you make of this . Well, obviously, theyre doing as extensive of a search as possible, and they never know what theyre going to find. Theyre looking for trophies. Serial killers like this keep jewelry, clothing, ids, photographs, hair clippings, you never know what theyre going to they might keep as a trophy, and any sort of evidence, of course, that links him not only to the three murders that hes been charged with, but potentially others, so yes, i mean, its a pretty horrific sight to look at, but this is not to be not to be unexpected because, again, this is the same thing they did with John Wayne Gacys house as well as btk. They need to do this to scour for evidence. And i do want to let our viewers know the Conference Hearing has just begun, so were going to be monitoring that and bringing you information about rex heuermanns appearance in court on long island. As this takes shape, right, this, obviously, is very preliminary part of his court appearances, joey, but there will be more. I wonder what youre anticipating from his defense . Yeah. I think they have a lot of work to do, obviously. These are the initial stages and i think this will be about the rules of engagement. Theres a lot of discovery that needs to take place. There are numerous bits of information, whether they be reports, whether they be analysis for hair fiber, dna, other types of samples and information that need to be turned over, those items need to be parsed, evaluated, reviewed by the actual Defense Attorneys. The prosecution has to file whats called the New York State certificate of compliance, meaning theyve given everything to the attorneys. I get into these weeds because this is important. At a preliminary review and conference like this, where is the discovery, the judge wants to know, how long is it going to take to turn over, how long will the defense need to assess it, what motions will the defense make to preclude certain evidence, challenge certain evidence. How long will it take to retain any Defense Experts that are necessary. What else is the next step and hearings be put in place for those purposes. Can we establish a trial date . A lot can be here in addition to the prosecutors potentially having other valuable information that they have to turn over. Yes, a Long Way To Go, but today could be significant in terms of setting the ground rules and seeing when information is going to be turned over and whats flex in the very long process. There are so many families watching this and not just the families of the gilgo four who have been looking for justice for their daughters, their sisters. There were a number of other bodies that were discovered along that stretch of Ocean Parkway on long island and theres so many other families and communities who may not even know that they have people missing, but people have been taken from them. In your opinion, do you think that there will be other victims, or do you think that this suspect may have stopped after this sort of what he was using as a Dumping Ground was discovered years ago . Well, those are great questions, and i suspect that he is responsible for at least some of the other bodies that were found right there in the vicinity of gilgo beach. Certainly gilgo number four i suspect there will be a charge there soon. But to your question of whether there are potentially other Burial Grounds and other bodies, i think its a distinct likelihood, more likely than not, in fact, and the reason why is the original gilgo four were discovered in December 2010 and two of those four actually went missing just a few months before they were discovered. So its very unlikely that he made a rationale choice to just stop killing because individuals like this have a compulsion, an inner drive, hunger to kill, that they cant control, so what is sadly and unfortunately more likely he moved his base of operations and there are probably bodies yet to be discovered elsewhere. Which is a terrifying thought, but we certainly hope for these families that they are getting more answers for themselves for other families as well. Thank you so much. We do appreciate your time this afternoon. Thank you. Jim . Right now, here in washington, a federal grand jury meeting in the Special Counsels ongoing 2020 election probe. 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It is unclear if they have voted on an indictment of the former president or any of his allies. Thats what were waiting for and watching now. We do expect that the former president will likely be indicted in this investigation. He has received a target letter informing him hes a target of this investigation. He was also offered an opportunity to go before the grand jury and offer his side of the story. He declined that invitation and late last week his legal team met with jack smith and his team here in washington, d. C. Now sources tell cnn they did not expect the Defense Attorneys did not expect during that meeting they would be able to change the course of this investigation, but they were hoping at the very least to try to delay what appears to be inevitable. At this point we know the grand jury has left. The foreperson is still in the building. That is the only person you would need to return an indictment. Were just watching and waiting to see if they have voted to indict the former president or any of his associates. Now if the Special Counsel, if the grand jury has decided to indict, the former president and associates, how exactly would that word come out to us . Thats a great question, jim. This is unlike any other case. Even when it came to the maralago indictment, the way we expected it to happen was very different from how it actually played out. Usually this is something that would go under seal and we wouldnt learn about it until it was unsealed. That is what we expected to happen last time. Thats not exactly how it played out. The former president s attorneys we also expect would be notified of exactly whats going on. As you may remember in the maralago case, we first learned about the indictment from the former president. We expected if he gets any word of an indictment he would as he often does, go to social media to make the announcement himself. Its unclear if we would find out directly from the court, from the Special Counsel, or from former President Trump, but we are watching all three of those key players for any potential news on this indictment. How things usually work at the Federal Court is certainly not how it always works when it comes to the former president. No question. Of course we have our colleague inside the building there. Paula reid, thanks so much. Brianna, a lot to watch. And talk about here. Lets talk more about this with former Deputy Assistant attorney general tom dupree. Just when you think about, as we await a potential indictment here, how much could we learn from this, that we did not learn in the January 6th Hearings . My best guess is we will actually learn a good degree more than we learned from the January 6th Hearings. I say that both because the Special Counsel, as we know, has conducted a sprawling investigation. Hes cast a wide net. Hes talked to dozens of witnesses looked at presumably Hundreds Of Thousands of dollars and has a lot more information than the January 6th Committee did. Youll recall when the Special Counsel filed the maralago indictment he filed whats known as a speak indictment, to say it c