Donald trump is back at the end of another sad day for the country that he once served as president. He was arraigned for a third time this afternoon. That courthouse is steps away from the u. S. Capitol which was stormed by the violent mob of supporters of donald trump 2 1 2 years ago. It was protected by members of Law Enforcement including from the Dc Metro Police department. It happened also that the former president who is now charged in connection with this attack could safely enter a plea. Inside the courthouse behind me he was taken into custody. He was processed and pled not guilty to the charges against him. A federal judge then set the next court date for the 28th. That is when it is expected a trial date will be set. I am learning that he left here in a sour and dejected mood. He was really angry according to those who spoke to him. He had that processing happening here then he went to the tarmac where he was expected to take questions from reporters who were here. He did not take any questions but instead he departed as they held this umbrella that was handed to him by his codefendant. The former president and had this to say. When you look at what is happening, this is a persecution of a political opponent. It was never supposed to happen in america. This is the persecution of a person that is leading by very substantial numbers in the republican primary. And leading joe biden by a lot. If you cant beat him, persecute him or prosecute him. We cannot let this happen in america. After that he ascended the stairs but i am told that one thing that irked him particularly was during that hearing it lasted about 27 minutes and the Magistrate Judge referred to him as simply mr. Trump. That may not seem odd but he is still referred to by his former title in most places. Evan you were in the room today when he was being processed. Could you tell that he was in a sour and dejected mood . Absolutely. There were times where he was animated and having lots of great conversations with todd blanche and there was something in the paperwork handed over to him that seemed to annoy him. Weve all seen him when he gets irked and certainly i described it earlier as that look you see when he was on the stage with Hillary Clinton and she said something that got under his skin. We can see that face that he has made that goes into so many jokes. There are moments where he clearly looked at jack smith and this is something that was different than the miami arraignment because of where he was sitting and where jack smith was in that courtroom he was basically in direct line of sight and clearly also looked at him with about 20 minutes or so to do this before the judge actually sat on the bench. He sat there and managed to sign paperwork which is standard with the pretrial paperwork that happens. And i certainly think it was a different man than we see for example in the new york arraignment where he was almost affiant. That was not the look that they had here today. At the end it seemed like the only dispute that happened was when the trial date is coming and what we were expecting on August 28th At 10 00 when they are back here. This appears to be a rocket docket. Theyve given the government seven days to report back to her with when they could be going to trial and how long that trial will take. Defense attorneys have another week to do the same. It suggests that she is really trying to move this along quickly. It is impossible to say at this point if it will go to trial before the election. There is more that needs to be understood including additional charges or defendants. There is continued investigation and more witness interviews and we understand this is all in superseding indictment anticipation. One thing i was struck by was who was in the room today. Seven federal judges were in there including judge bos berg who played a key role in deciding what could be secret and what could not be. Is this normal to see seven federal judges in the back . I think there is a lot of significance about the entire proceeding. The capital is right over there and certainly the violence that happened on january 6th, i was walking on the west front of the capital when at the moment officer for known as was being attacked. I walked over here to get away from the mob and for the judges in this courthouse whove been dealing with hundreds of pro trump defendants one of them was being sentenced today. I think there is a reason why they showed up. One of the big things that has happened in this Courthouse Judges have repeatedly said that they believe it is important for the cases to be adjudicated before they send a message. A lot of that carries great significance. And some of those officers were there as well. It really bears witness to several of them that have been blamed publicly for instigating this. They were there and watching it today. These are the real lives that were forever changed. They lay out a case for how the former president had a Pressure Campaign and how it all culminated in the violence on january 6th. He is not charged with anything related specifically to violence but it did all help to inspire what happened. It is notable that they came because this is really the crescendo of the prosecution. Really quickly, one of the strangest persons to see in this courtroom was Evan Corcoran who of course was an important witness. He came in separately from the other lawyers and is still representing the former president. He sat separately from them. And that is a remarkable thing to see. He laughed out loud when we said or when i asked you what your vice woods here. They wanted the Justice Department to do what they were doing and he laughed out loud at that idea. Then they would have to hire their own lawyers. And thats partially what they said with not having his own insurance. And it was a joke but you can certainly see that repeatedly with the former president. Some of those peoples lives are forever changed. They listen to him and ends on this line where they have the legal team and everything that is fighting. And he has everyone back like this. That is a long path indeed. Back with Karen Freeman and alyssa griffin. Congresswoman you are on the January 6th Committee. We talked about this earlier today but you have no doubt that had the January 6th Committee not done the work that it did getting the information that it did, the Justice Department would not have gone forward . It really ignited them to start something maybe they would have eventually started something. My sense was sometimes they get lost in the violence of that day. But this is one of the things that i learned through this committee it was a symptom. And thats really what these indictments are about . Exactly. Think about what he said to the acting attorney general. Say the election was corrupt. And that enough leave the rest to me and the republican congressman. Sue realize what led up here i predicted violence even before it happened. I saw everything leading up to it. It will be driven home to the American People and it was a lot more here. Theres a lot of information not in these indictments. The trial will be fuller and the way jack smith and the Press Conference is they frame this exactly the way the congressman just said. This was not about the Capital Police officers. They were just protecting the building or the people in the building. They were protecting democracy. Really the story and the arc of this indictment and of the trial is going to be an attempt to steal this. Its really remarkably powerful when you think about it. Mike pence will be a witness. There are paragraphs in here that have to be solely based on his account of oneonone conversations he had with the president bolstered by the contemporaneous notes. This will go to trial and donald trump as the former Vice President is in all likelihood going to take the stand against him even while they are running against each other and looking at him as a prosecutor i think he is a great witness. I will leave the political views to you. But i think you did the right thing that day. He is backed up by his notes from the day in question. He is a godfearing man and a lot of people dont take this very seriously. We know the names like the Adams Committee and they all do such a remarkable job showing us what they have to say. We still dont know where mark meadows is but its hard to envision this. Thats how big the stakes are going to be. I dont again i was surprised to see mike pence say these things. It will be surprising if mark meadows is there. Right up until the final moments and then weeks after that as well up there testifying. I think that would be much more damaging. Because people expect that. They dont expect to hear from mark meadows. And i dont want to overstate this but i think discovery is so important here. If i was a judge i would let them hoist on their own petards and have as much discovery as they want. We have so much theory but no evidence. Have as much discovery as you would like because the second they dont allow discovery is the second they will say they arent letting us so that the persecution and auto prosecution. I think this will be tougher than people can understand. Donald trump did something unprecedented but not illegal. But the part that is unprecedented is that there are extra innings that the constitution allows for. Most president s just concede it. Like i didnt get enough votes so i concede. Its not required its just something we do. If you dont concede theyre all of these extra innings and other things that can happen where they have to certify this and that and nobody has contested every single little thing afterwards. But it is legal and he could do that. But you cant cheat in those extra innings. Which is why its hard for people. He had the right to do it the right way. This is going to be hard because everyone is going to want to have a Civics Lesson and go to law school over the next three or four months just to understand what is going on. You could have a democratic president who feels that georgia and mississippi stole the election or suppress the black vote. But you cant cheat and lie and instill violence at the same way. Your completely wrong and it will be extremely complicated for the American People to understand. I think america should really be looking at a big discussion along election day being election day. And then we would know who the winner is at midnight. Its not a week or three days after. People want to know what happened with certainty. When we come out of this one way or another, if we sever public there are some bipartisan fixes that we could agree on the take the complexity and nonsense out. Because it is being weapon eyes. Regardless of what the resolution is, tried and true the country will come together and unite around that decision. I agree that i want to see this done quickly because it is adjudicated ahead of the election and that is in vital public interest. But if they say we need to adjudicate where there is an issue it should let them make the case is that of artie been knocked down and take away what can delegitimize the resolution at the end of this. Youre talking about a former Vice President who is still running against a former president testifying against him with his former Chief Of Staff and senior white house staff. As if we did this enough. Democracy is not defined by bad moments or bad years. Were defined on how we recover from that. The question is however it is adjudicated theres not going to be cool by our after that but are we willing to get back to the standard normals of democracy . If we are we can brag to the world that we made it through a difficult moment. If its all about fundraising thats the biggest problem in politics. Rage raises money. If that continues to go on we have bigger problems. Earlier we were talking about the cameras and federal courtrooms. Who would make that decision ultimately . There are a few layers here. The District Judge can make the initial decision. Ultimately this will have to go to the chief judge of the district. Chief Justice Roberts could approve this from his own high perch though. So i am putting the pressure on and i do not use this platform to get on a soapbox. But this has to be covered with a modern fashion. Not just from a Tv Stand Point. I am saying that yes from a Tv Stand Point of course. But the america people have to see this. If we dont have cameras in the courtroom this is what were looking at. Young reporters running in and out of the courtroom texting us in trying to recount what happens. Two or three hours with a 300 Page Transcript and we will get sketch drawings. It is not 1918. We need to get with it. You have to allow these issues to air and you have to allow them to try each state individually in this case. But it wont matter if no one can see it. If its happening in a Courtroom Transparency is key and for this case and the trial maybe even a conviction they have to see it for themselves. And i think there is a strong argument for cameras in the courtroom for that reason. Weve all been looking for mark meadows who is the missing man and perhaps he will show up in the courtroom. Is coming up next jake and his team pick up the rest of this conversation. A former federal judge will be hearing this case as they sasaid to be on the fast trackc we nevever just see the number. We see the people. 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We should note that it is possible to show this is basically the atlanta area in there doing investigations to flip georgia was seven states and more . We have to re compartmentalize this. Remember this is state prosecution. Theres been a special grand jury and theyve already had meetings in terms of those that they are working to report and manage the actual criminal grand jury we are actually accustomed to. She said by September 1st we will know whether or not she does intend to file any charges. Note that a judge is here. It will be curious to see what they have to say. There was a School Backpack donation drive she hosted in the county. She talked about not being pleased with all the decisions or what they might be but not showing your hand as to what they are. In the end it would likely be a fourth bite at someone who previously loved the big apple. We should note that one of the biggest and best pieces of evidence that they have with jack smith, is that they can honestly think Lindsey Graham was there and they can thank her for this. She did call the secretary of state of georgia Brad Roethlisberger and said something he later accused him of that he denied. He thought Lindsey Graham had said can you carry out this corrupt activity and they denied ever saying it. So they learned a lesson about dealing with washington politicians. Record your phone calls. When donald trump called that Conversation Weather was roethlisberger or his attorney or Chief Of Staff, somebody hit record. How important and damning is that recording which we all have now heard . They shed light with the conspiracy to apply pressure to State Officials to change these Election Results in the states. Thats one more than they need. And it definitely is not subtle. Today made a comment about a parallel . It was very similar to the posting untruth social saying he only gave one more indictment to win the election. What is impressive however as you get more than just that quote. They show how over the course of a very long conversation he basically presented roethlisberger all of his theories about how fraud had taken place in Fulton County and other places around georgia. The a