Toenails. Thats disgusting. Disgusting. We did pull your advice staff on this on whether youre allowed to wear shorts in the office, interestingly theres a split. They say its okay for women to wear shorts. But it is not okay for men to wear shorts. That feels a little sexist to me. But i dont know whats going on. I dont think such a rule would be allowed if it wasnt across the board. I believe inequality for the genders. Sure, harry, thanks very much. I dont know what that was about. The news continues, the source with Kaitlan Collins begins now. Straight from the source, tonight, you can potentially hear any moment from the judge overseeing the 2020 election interference case. As we wait, the Special Counsels team just swung back at trump and his lawyers after they complained in the Free Speech Rights could be limited, and theres a Nondisclosure Order over evidence in the case. Of course, this is also coming as we are learning more about a foiled plot in ukraine when it comes to ukrainian president zelenskyy, what we are hearing about this informant who was apparently passing along key intelligence about the ukrainian leader. Also tonight, we have one of the greatest athletes of alltime here to join us, Katie Ledecky has just swung her way into the world record books once again. Defeating Michael Phelps, taking out one of his titles that he wants previously held. Well talk to her live in just a moment. Im Kaitlan Collins, and this is the source. As we noted, tonight we are waiting to potentially hear any moment from the judge overseeing the 2020 election interference case. As we wait, the Special Counsels team has just responded to trump and his attorneys from a filing that they sent in just about three hours ago. Where they complain at his Free Speech Rights could be limited if there is a Nondisclosure Order over evidence in the case. They want the judge to put measures in place so trump cant publicly share some of that evidence. Jack smith is now arguing that the former president s team is basically trying to try the case in the press. Saying, quote, the defendant seeks to use the discovery of material to litigate this case, in the media. Smith shared complaints about the case that trumps newest Defense Attorney, john lauro, made in five different Television Interviews yesterday. This all came right after trumps post on friday night, where he wrote, in all capital letters, if you go after me, im coming after you. Trumps attorneys are now arguing that was a reference to political adversaries, not legal ones. All of this is coming as cnn is also learning tonight that security for judge chutkan has increased at the federal courthouse in washington, as trump is stepping up his attacks on her. Publicly insisting that she recuse herself from his case. Weve also learned exclusively that trump ally, bernie kerik, met with Special Counsel and their investigators today. He, of course, is the disgraced former new York City Police commissioner. And his Attorney Says that they mainly focused on what Rudy Giuliani was doing after the 2020 election. Of course, all of that means this investigation goes on. So what does this mean for trumps legal case . And how the judge here is planning to handle it. It could say a lot, about how she rules. Perspective now from retired California Superior Court judge, for Ladoris Hazzard cordell. Judge, thank you so much for joining me tonight. As i was noting just a few moments ago, we heard from the Special Counsel, they are responding to the trump team over this protective order. Part of what they said, and im quoting the Specials Team now, the defendant has proposed an unreasonable order to facilitate his plan to litigate this case in the media, to the detriment of litigating this case in the courtroom. They say normal order should prevail. Of course, this is a point they made repeatedly throughout the filing. What you make of that response . Well, its important to note that a protective order is asked for evidence that is being handed over in discovery. Discovery happens in a criminal case, prosecutors turn over information to the defense. Not all information in discovery is admissible in court. It might be deemed to be a relevant, or true prejudicial. So what trumps people want is to take all of this information, no matter what it is, whether or not it is admissible, and put it all out there for the world to see. And the problem with that, of course, is that what that does is inflame the jury. It gets potential jurors, and it gets them to see information that perhaps they would not ever see if they were selected as jurors to be in a trial. I presided over nearly 20 years i was on the bench. Over lots of criminal cases. Some of them got media attention. Never once did i ever have a defendant ever take discovery, and then go put it all out for everyone to see. It just doesnt happen. So i think its absolutely appropriate to issue a protective order in this case. Yeah, it sounds like that you think thats a genuine concern, that jack smiths team has here. Absolutely. All of this information just should not be put out. Its up to the judge to decide what information will come into the trial. So to put it all out there, theres only one purpose. That is to just inflame people into influence people who might be jurors in the case. Which is all inappropriate. The case should be tried in the courtroom, with decisions made about what evidence is admissible and what is not. I think you just made a really important point. I want to get to what trumps team is saying about this. You just made is a really important point. This is a protective order. This is not asking for a gag order, which would mean that he cant basically speak at all publicly. About this case. My understanding is that a protective order is a pretty standard move this early on in a criminal prosecutors like this. Absolutely. This is standard procedure. What people are seeing is a playbook for how to delay a criminal case. Just delay, delay, delay. Pick at everything. This is standard information. Again, the key is we want to have a fair trial for both sides. The only way to do that is for a judge to determine what is admissible evidence, and what is not. It cannot happen if all of the discovery is then just thrown out by trumps side and just everyone in the public and media gets to see it, when it may not even be relevant or appropriate in the case. Heres how trumps team is arguing. Their deadline was 5 00 today than, we just saw jack smiths team respond to what they said. Trumps team was basically arguing, and im quoting from their filing now, they say in a trial about first amendmen rights, the government seekso restrict First Amendment rights. Inner ministrations primary political opponent it during a prominenparty members and allies have campaigned on the indictment and proliferated its false allegations. How do you thi judge chutkan will read that argument from the trump team . Well, i dont think shes going to give it much merit at all. I hope she doesnt spend much time on it. An election is not a trial. There are two distinct things what they are basically saying is the First Amendment they clearly, his lawyers and trump, do not understand the meaning of the First Amendment. This has nothing to do with First Amendment. This has everything to do with making sure there is a fair trial. The only person in charge of doing it, its not trump, it is the judge in this case. Her rulings will determine how the trial will proceed. She will follow all of the rules, and therefore ensure that there is going to be a fair trial for both sides. Depending on how quickly she issues a response, what will you read into that . Its not just what she decides here. Its also the scope of it. But also how quickly she responds. Do you think that will signify, i mean, how quickly she plans to move this case along . Absolutely. Its a very good point. Just as she responded very quickly when they want to do a continuance, and she shut that down, i think her response is not going to be Come Back To Me and 90 days, ill give you a written decision. I think this judge understands that time is important. She also knows what kinds of issues are important. This is not a big deal. What the trump side has said, well, we want a compromise. No. Either my view, either the protective order gets granted or does not. My view is she will grant it. Because its not an infringement on anyones First Amendment rights. Prosecutors were arguing for this first on friday night, as we were talking about on the show then, they cited a post that trump had from friday night. The one we just read that was in all caps. Pretty bag, but threatening, saying mildly threatening, saying if you go after me, im coming after you. How much does Something Like that, if youre a judge making this decision, how much does that factor into her call here . Right, so i dont know necessarily that that quote impacts the protective order. But that certainly gets me thinking, if i were the trial judge, about a gag order, in this case. Its clearly a threat. And a good trial judge doesnt just look at the law. You use common sense. And anyone looking at common sense, looking at what he has posted, and the timing of when he posted it, raises another issue. Whether or not this person, and the team, should be told, and this is true on both sides, just to say we are going to have a mutual gag order. I would expect that may come next. Im afraid that after that, if indeed the gag order is issued, which is not a First Amendment issue at all, is basically saying dont talk about this outside of the courtroom. My guess is trump would violate it in a heartbeat. Then we will see what the judge does in terms of consequences for violating yet another court order. You think there will be a gag order here, at least you think that there should be . I absolutely can see it coming. This man cannot shut up. Hes a chatty charlie. Hes going to just talk and talk. He really doesnt care about rules, and about saying the rules that say you can speak or cannot speak. This is where the test of a good trial judge comes about. If youre gonna have a fair trial, its going to be by the rules set by that person in a black robe. If the rules are you do not talk about this other than in the court, because its not punishment, its to ensure a fair trial. If that does not happen, there have to be, there has to be immediate consequence to violating a court order. Only in that way, can everyone have respect for the system. Well, we know with the trump Team Response would be is that hes a candidate for president , hes running, he has his free speech right. We will see what the judge does decide here on the protective order first. Judge, thank you so much for joining us. Judge cordell. Sure. My pleasure. Im joined now by our panel of legal experts, Karen Friedman agnifilo, who is the chief assistant District Attorney under District Attorney science, also with us, nick ackerman, former assistant u. S. Attorney for the Southern District of new york. Thank you both for being here. Obviously a key question of what the judge is going to decide, which could be any moment, nick, its how broad the scope of this protective order is. Do you agree with the judge there that the points of it, the real concern about trump potentially sharing some of this evidence that jack smith said. Whats most amazing here kaitlan, whats most amazing is they agreed to the precise same order. Protective order in the miami case. Its the same protective order in an essence that went into effect in a new york prosecution. So this is just, as the judge said, nothing but a technique to try and delay this trial, and drag it out. Try and have hearings. Try and have more motions. I dont think the judge is going to put up with this. Let me ask you karen, we did just hear from the judge. She has signaled that shes going to hold a hearing this week on this dispute. On what restrictions should be imposed on what evidence is going to be shared. Shes told the parties to come by three pm tomorrow two options for when that hearing could be held. Are you surprised by any of this . Or is this what you expected to happen . Well, so, if you just back up a little bit, trump was just arraigned last week on this case. Right . He was just released from custody. Because when he was arrested, he was in custody. When he was released, the judge imposed certain conditions, right. One of them was dont commit any new crimes. Dont threaten. Just standard witnesses. Exactly. That night he tweets this law, if youre coming after me, im coming after you. I think it really flies in the face of just common sense that it he wasnt referring to them. Just like when he had the Baseball Bat Picture next to alvin braggs head. Then he says no, it was just American Made baseball bats. He says things that are just dont make any sense and i think this is like that as well. The judge, in another case, if it was not donald trump, if you had somebody who tried to steal an election, take over the capital, reopen the indictment, 78 charges, was released and then threatened the prosecutors and the judge . Any other defendant would be put in. He would be incarcerated. So this defendant is already being treated lenient lee, and differently than everybody else. And this jack smith going and saying we just want to have a protective order is a very mild step to try and protect his First Amendment rights while hes running for office but also protect the integrity of the case. Until we see what trump itself is arguing, we also know what his attorneys are arguing. John lauro is one of those who is on several networks, yesterday, making this argument. Specifically, this was about pets. And the role he plays in this. And what trump was pressuring pence to do, and asking him to do. This was john lauros defense of that. You are saying that asking is action. No, asking is aspirational. Asking is not action. Its called free speech. What President Trump did not do is direct Vice President pence to do anything. That contradicts a key point in the indictment. They say he did pressure him to do it. Of course he did. If he was asked volitional, sure he was aspiring to be a major crook. He was bypassing Richard Nixon in the crook book. He was essentially putting together a major scheme to steal the election from joe biden. He did that by the first of all setting up this elaborate scheme in all of the Battleground States with fake electors. That claim to be the legitimate electors for those states for trump so that mike pence could then go into the senate and count the vote, and basically count the fake electors, and declare the election for donald trump. Then, they changed the scheme after mike pence refused to do that. Then they tried to get him to send it back to the states, so the State Legislatures would vote in the thick electors. All of this is in the context of all of the pressure that was put on by donald trump on the various State Officials who he was trying to get to change the vote. And hes still going after pence also on social media. He posted yesterday talking about how hes gone to the dark side. Criticizing him. Its coming as john lauros arguing, mike pence could be their best witness. Can we go back to just the breaking news that we are getting about the judge scheduling the hearing this week . Basically giving them until three pm tomorrow to come up with two options and when that hearing can happen. Is that a hearing where trump would go into it, jack smiths team would go into it, and weve got a decision by the end of it over what this could look like on this . Potentially. She could rule from the bench, or she could rule afterward. We see shes been so swiftly ruling, and making decisions that i dont anticipate her allowing this to drag on. I mean, all judges now know that trumps number one tactic is to delay cases, right . He has filed countless numbers of civil cases all across the country. And in his criminal cases, he just wants to delay. He doesnt want to trial in court. He wants his trial, in the court of public opinion. Thats why they dont want this protective order, is that what you think it is . Exactly. Exactly. He wants to try this case in the court of public opinion. We will see what the judge decides. Well see when this hearing happens, potentially. As well, karen and nick, thank you both for being here. Another week, another Trump Indictment watch. A Georgia Grand Jury could be very close to a vote. We have someone who just was subpoenaed to testify before them, the states former republican lieutenant governor, geoff duncan, is here. Plus, a close call after ukraine foiled an alleged plot to assassinate president zelenskyy, Arresting A Female russian informant, what she was said to be doing, when they found her. That just dont smell clean . Downy unstopables inwash Scent Boosters keep your laundry smelling fresh waaaay longer than detergent alone. If you want laundry to smell fresh for weeks, make sure you have Downy Unstopables inwash Scent Boosters. Evas about to learn her fear of missing out leads to ove