Trial. And we get more evidence of defense footdragging in the maralago documents case. Also tonight, were on the scene of the enormous destruction in maui where some of the wildfires are thankfully being contained, but the proportions of this tragedy, including now dozens of lives lost, it just keeps growing. Later, Florida Governor ron desantis adds a new adversary to disney, School Liberians and the woke. This time school prosecutors. He is firing them, only he never hired them. The voters did. Well speak to the latest official to get the ax. Good evening. John berman here for anderson. Trying to for swift justice in what could become the most significant criminal trial ever in this country. If not unprecedented in its speed, then pretty nearly so. The defense in one way or another in this federal case and the other today say not so fast. Today the Special Counsels team asked for a january 2nd trial date in the Election Subversion case which it said could take as little as four weeks. The former president , who is expected to challenge that, took the first step tonight on his social network, quoting now, but leaving out some of the personal attacks on smith and president biden, quote, only an outoftouch lunatic would ask for such a date, one day into the new year and maximum election interference with iowa. Now whatever you make of that, in particular, the proposed date is yet another entry on what is already a very crowded calendar. Take a look. Surrounding that date are the trump organizations civil fraud trial. This october the e. Jean carroll definition. That is the same day as the caucuses. Ten days before the 15th, manhattan hush money trial. And the maralago documents trial is scheduled for may 20th. Today in that case, trump codefendants walt nauta and Carlos De Oliveira, they were in court. More on that and what appear to be delaying tactics there in a second. But first, cnns paula reid on the Special Counsels need, the need for speed. Paula, what exactly is the government requesting, and how likely is the judge to grant the date . Well, they have this need for speed they say to serve what they describe as the public interests in having a speedy resolution to this case. But theyre asking the judge to start this trial immediately after the new year. They say it will last four to six weeks. And these are of course the first two months of a president ial election year. And right at the start of when primary voting would start for republicans. This would mean that Candidate Trump would be spending most of his weekdays in a courtroom. So its unclear if the judge is going to go for the schedule. The Special Counsel also revealed a new detail today. And that is the fact that at least some of the evidence in this case is classified. And john, that could potentially compensate some telephone pretrial hearings here. But the Special Counsel insists even with that classified material, they will still be ready to go in early january. So has the former president and his team, have they responded yet . As you noted in the intro, the former president has responded. But officially his legal team has another week to weigh in with legal arguments about when they think this case should go. Now if the florida prosecution is any indication, we expect they will likely try to advocate for this trial to be pushed until after the 2024 election. Now after they submit their suggestions to the judge, this will all be hashed out at a hearing in late august. On august 28th the judge said then shell hear these arguments and decide on a trial date. And there is a hearing in this case tomorrow before a judge. And what is expected to happen there . Thats right. The 28th hearing was supposed to be a big deal because that was going to be the first hearing before judge tanya chutkan, the woman who will oversee this case to what is expected to be a trial. But she has had to schedule a hearing tomorrow because the two sides cannot agree on the rules for handling sensitive evidence in this case. So ill be in the courtroom. We expect both sides will go before this judge. Again, its their first appearance before her in this case. And they will make arguments for how they think they should handle sensitive evidence. The Special Counsel is advocating for broad protections, citing concerns that the former president may learn something, evidence that has been gathered by prosecutors and share it, potentially impacting the investigation. But defense attorneys, they want something more limited. Theyre arguing for something thats more similar to other january 6th cases. And john, it will be ultimately be up to the judge, her first test many this case. You will be in the courtroom. We look forward to nearly realtime updates. Paula reid, thank you very much. As we said a moment ago, the former president s codefendants in the documents case, they were in court today where once again procedural matters appear to be slowing things down. Randi kaye is outside the courthouse and joins us now. So what did happen in court today, randi . Well, john, donald trump waived his appearance to appear in court but did enter a not guilty through his attorney. His aide walt nauta also was here in court and did enter a not guilty plea. We were expecting the Property Manager from maralago Carlos De Oliveira to be in court, which he was and to enter a plea. You may recall last week he was in miami with a washington, d. C. Based lawyer. So he couldnt enter a plea because he needs a florida lawyer to enter a plea here in the state of florida. He had a florida lawyer in the courtroom with him, but apparently he hadnt signed up all the paper, hadnt officially signed on. Once again Carlos De Oliveiras arraignment was postponed. Hell new appear back in court here on tuesday august 15th, or he could possibly waive his appearance. But we did learn earlier this evening that his florida lawyer did officially sign on hours after that scheduled arraignment. And he will now officially represent him here in the state. So we do expect that he will enter the plea. John, just in terms of the charges that they are facing now, were looking at false statements, conspiracy to obstruct justice, and concealing documents. And weve seen this play out before. Its just another day and another delay. Adds you recall walt nauta, the aide, for his orangenal arraignment, he first couldnt find a florida lawyer. Apparently thats very difficult here. And then he had issues with his flight from new york. He was delayed. He was stuck on plane. So weve seen this movie before, john. Does it look like these delays and the ones that may be coming the next time there is a hearing could impact the actual start of the trial . Its possible. I mean, jack smith said that the superseding indictment and the new charges in them shouldnt impact the timeline for the trial. But it certainly looks possible given what were seeing. And now were seeing a new court filing from walt nauta and his team, requesting that he be able to view classified documents in the maralago case. They say that he needs to do that in order to properly prepare for his defense. But prosecutors say that he just doesnt have the Security Clearance for Something Like that. Also, they say that he was not part of the willful retention of the documents he is being charged with obstruction. So he should not be able to see those documents. John . What is next . The process for these two men . Well, come august there is now the prosecutors have a deadline of monday, august 14th in order to respond to this latest filing from walt nauta and his objection. And then judge Aileen Cannon has also set a hearing date for august 25th to deal with those matters if needed. She also wants to make sure were told that all of the pleas and all of the arraignments and all of those smaller matters are dealt with before the August 25th Hearing if that does indeed take place. And also, john, i should point out that because of this, this could potentially delay Donald Trumps trial, which is scheduled for may. As you said, in this classified documents case. If all of these hearings continue and all of these delays and filings continue, it could very well get pushed from may, possibly even past the president ial election. John . And that may be part of the point. Randi kaye, thank you very much. With us now, former trump attorney Tim Parlatore who currently represents bernie kerik. Also with us elie honig, who has prosecuted his fair share of cases. And senior Political Correspondent and trump biographer maggie haberman. Elie, i want to start with you. The proposed trial date of january 2nd. Realistic or an opening bid . Its an opening bid. This is a remarkably aggressive opening bid. Sort of Wishful Thinking on the prosecutions part. If they start this case in january, that would mean according to the prosecutors Request Jury Selection would start in middecember that means Donald Trumps team would have four and a half months to get ready for trial that is close to unheard of in the federal system. This is a broad conspiracy. This charges donald trump, but at least six other coconspirators involved. Covers seven states over two to three months. And just to understand why its such a short time frame, think of what Donald Trumps legal team has to do in four and a half months to make this happen. They have to review all the discovery. There is going to be hundreds of thousands of pages in discovery. There is going to be hours and hours of surveillance video. Theyre going to have to prepare their own defense. They get do to do their own investigation. Trump is entitled to some due process. I think 4 1 2 month very easily pushing it. Thats an opening gambit. There was an implication, it wasnt explicit, but the implication in this filing was look, its important to do this quickly because there is an important date looming. Yeah, theyre studiously avoiding saying because of the election. But they are saying the first part we have to do this quickly. Its inappropriate i think for prosecutors to even acknowledge the election, never mind to argue to court you should schedule with the election in mind. Thats mixing politics right into the case. It wasnt explicit, but it did seem to hang over. The flip side of, that mr. Parlatore is donald trump complaining that january 2nd, a trial date would be very close to the iowa caucuses. Why should that matter . Why should a nominating process matter to a judicial proceeding . Well, you know, you need to have a client who is available, who is able to assist in his own defense. So certainly looking at other Scheduling Concerns like that is something that should be taken into consideration. But at the same time, i think the strongest arguments that the defense should raise are exactly what elie just said, that this is way too fast. And, really, one thing i noticed in their filing is they avoided also saying how much discovery there is. Because i think that if they put that volume in there, use see that its probably even more discovery that they have in florida. This is going to have everything from the january 6th committee, all of those the documents, each witness that has been subpoenaed has submitted thousands of pages of documents. Were talking probably over a million pages of documents, and theyre expecting them to get ready that quickly. I think that for what is going to most impact the judge, leading with this is something that we cannot possibly be ready to go in that period of time, and if you force us to pick a jury on that date, we will not be ready. And this is a giftwrapped appeal. Thats a stronger argument than to just rely upon the iowa caucus state. To put a finer point on that, most people charged with crimes, they have jobs. Right now Donald Trumps job is running for president. Why should that inherently delay a trial . Correct . Well, it is something that we bring up oftentimes is what the Different Things are with the defendant schedule. What the Defense Attorney Schedules are. Other trials, vacations. You push trials out a month even because somebody has a vacation schedule. Ive seen trials pushed out because the defense attorney hazmat ternt leave scheduled, things like that. It is relevant to consider because ultimately the speedy trial is the right of the defendant. So as long as he is willing to push it out. Maggie, i know better. Weve known each other a long time than to ask you what donald trump is thinking, whats in his head. So ill ask about what he is doing. Because we are seeing him lash out on his social Media Network in campaign speeches. He is talking about the Special Counsel. He is talking about the judge, the proposed trial date. He is talking about mike pence. How much of this is a strategy, and what does he think he is getting out of this . I dont think strategy is ever a great thing to affix to how donald trump comports himself on social media or in a lot of his public remarks. But if there is a strategy, it is essentially to tarnish all the prosecutors that are involved, which is what weve seen him do over and over again. He is a man of very few moves and he uses them repeatedly. He is very, very angry about these indictments. Thats clear. The main thing he is doing and i dont think this gets stressed enough, he is airing an ad that is attacking the prosecutors as well. But he is trying to reinforce for everyone im the frontrunner for the republican nomination. Im the frontrunner, im the frontrunner. Dont even bother trying to compete against me. Now there is no question in polls he is far and away running ahead of everybody else. But he is doing what he often does which is try to make it such an evitability to not even try that is a shield against what youre seeing in the courts. His appeal is to the public. We have seen him do this as a populist over and over and over again. And his voters become his support and his shield. Is this something that his lawyers have an opinion on . His lawyers would rather that he not speak as much as he does. John lauro, one of his lawyers who is handling the j6 case and he was brought on in the last couple of months, but john lauro gave a Podcast Interview where he was very clear that he does not agree with some of what the former president is saying on social media, among them the former president was insisting were going to file a motion asking for a recusal. And lauro made clear no, we have not made a decision on that at all. He also repeatedly talked about how you cant control some clients. This is not something any of them want. So they all work around it. And weve seen that over and over. But trump is going to find out or not whether this is a problem for him. Thats going to be up to judges. It does occur to me, i did have a guy who worked at Donald Trumps lawyer. We should ask him about what maggie just said there. Mr. Parlatore, what do you think about what maggie just said there and how the lawyers view trumps outbursts . Without talking about him specifically, representing a client like this is very complicated, especially when they also have a coms team and a campaign and a whole bunch of people that want to put out public statements. It is something that is preferable for me to have just me, the client, and i tell the client shut up. Ill do all the speaking for you. But when theyre running for president and a former president , it gets complicated. Complicated. A loaded word. Elie, the delay that we saw. We were on tv as it happened here. Every time Something Like this, how much of an advantage is this for the trump team . My mind was boggled today by that, because i understand if its a day or two out from the indictment, you havent got your legal team in place. Were two weeks out from this indictment. How does this lawyer show up without even filled in the paperwork . It leads you to believe it has to be part of a strategy. You know al pacino, football is a game of inch. 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