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CNNW CNN July 4, 2024

Sources telling cnn Fulton County investigators now have emails and Text Messages that directly connect members of trumps legal team to the breach of a Voting System in rural coffey county. This new development coming as District Attorney fani willis prepares to present the case to a grand jury. Shes expected to seek an indictment of more than a dozen people as early asuesday. And that means this week, a former u. S. President could be facing criminal charges in four u. S. Jurisdictions. We are covering all the latest developments in this, from the legal and investigative angles to this weeks grand jury proceedings. We begin with Zachary Cohen, who helped break this reporting. Start with walking us through how significant this is, this evidence linking members of trumps legal team to the breach of a Voting System. Reporter yeah, jessica. These Text Messages really add to a growing body of evidence that links directly trumps lawyers and legal team to the breach of a Voting System in Coffee County. The county is about 200 miles south of where we are in Fulton County, georgia, where Court Proceedings will play out next week. This breach has become a central part, one of the central parts of fani willis criminal investigation into efforts to overturn the 2020 election, and these Text Messages really lay out for us how trumps attorneys helped coordinate and were directly involved in a plan to try to recruit a local election official in Coffee County to get them to to get that official to give them access to the Voting Systems there, and they ultimately did get access to those Voting Systems, unauthorized access. That breach does date back, the planning dates back almost a week before these operatives gained access to the Voting Systems in the county on january 27th, 2021, Rudy Giuliani, trumps former personal attorney and Sidney Powell, they were integral in funding and their awareness of the planning process themselves. These texts do add another element and really do Help Prosecutors establish that link between trumps close attorneys and what happened in Coffee County on january 7th, 2021. Zach, youre there in atlanta. Take us through what the next few days of this grand jury proceeding is going to look like. Reporter yeah, were expecting early next week the District Attorney fani willis to begin presenting her case to the grand jury here. We could see indictments as soon as tuesday. We know theres multiple witnesses that havbeen called to appear before the grand jury on tuesday. And that is a signal that indictments could be coming and could be coming soon. We have to wait and see how it plays out, if the grand jury needs more time to review the evidence in the case, but the calling of witnesses and the schedule for them to appear on tuesday is the clearest indication indictments could be coming soon. Zachary cohen for us live in atlanta, thanks so much for that reporting. I want to continue the conversation now here in the studio. We have cnn legal analyst norm eisen. Hes a former white house ethics czar and served as counsel to the House Democrats during the first impeachment of donald trump. Great to have you here, especially when were getting news like this. Zach walked us through how it fits into the timeline, the narrative. Walk us through the legal implications here now that we know they have these Text Messages and emails. Well, fani willis is looking at three different areas of possible illegality. The first is the famous fake electoral certificates, the second is pressure on Georgia Election officials, thats the famous call, just find 11,780 votes, to secretary oftate brad raffensperger. And the third is the alleged intrusion on these Computer Systems in Coffee County, geo georgia. The cnn story is very important because it connects the dots. We now have evidence that go from Coffee County to Sidney Powell and Rudy Giuliani and as cnn reports, right into the oval office because this was discussed on December 18th in one of the very notorious meetings in the oval office, whether its possible to get access to these georgia Voting Systems and others around the country. It matters, of course, because one of the most serious crimes that we have in the 21st century is unauthorized Access Hacking of Computer Systems. So well see what fani willis does, but think of her investigation as a threelegged stool, and our new reporting has revealed details indicating just how long, how strong that third leg of the stool is. Showing kind of the thru line through all of it, and we have talked over the weekend since we got the information yesterday, that jeff duncan would be testifying, that this would be kind of happening in quick succession over the next couple days. We have been talking about how fani willis is really looking at conspiracy charges, racketeering charges, not just for trump but for so many allies. People you just named. And what has kind of struck me is that when youre doing that, when youre prosecuting that sort of case, you really need Everyone Needs to be responsible for everyone elses moves. You have to tie the story in as youre talking about. How will she do that, and does this sort of evidence, these emails, Text Messages, the phone call, the recording with trump asking for those to find the extra votes, how does that all play together . The most powerful tool we have in american law is to do that, is also one of fani willis gotos, and that is rico. The racketeering laws. Theres a federal model, but the states have also adopted it. And georgia has one of the most powerful in the country. A long list of federal crimes plus 40 Georgia State crimes can allow fani willis to charge rico. Shes done it numerous times on high profile cases in the past, and thats exactly what rico does. It pulls together those three conspiracies we were talking about, including this hacking conspiracy, into one large case that you can present to a jury where you say hey, what was the point of those fake electoral certificates, what was the point of pressing georgia officials to do the wrong thing, what was the point of the computer hacking, the same point, all of these people were working together in one, as we put it, enterprise in order for donald trump to allegedly hang on to his office when we know he had lost the election. You cant do that in american law. It is so layered, and those cases are so complicated, but it is important to note, she has tried these kinds of cases before. This is in her wheelhouse, so its not something new. What do you expect over the next couple days . We know the grand jury will meet tomorrow, monday. And then it would take a couple days, you think an indictment could come as early as tuesday . How do you expect the next 48 hours to play out . I expect that we will see some grand jury activity monday. This is a monday Tuesday Grand Jury in Fulton County. We know that the d. A. Warmed them up, likely, with another rico case, one of the grand juries brought a rico case last week, so you dont want the first rico case you give to a grand jury to involve the former president. I think that we know that two witnesses are confirmed, a journalist as well as former Lieutenant Governor jeff duncan, for tuesday. Prosecutors often she could just put an investigator on the stand. She had a Special Grand Jury that sat and produced a report. She could just give the grand jury that report. But prosecutors like to warm up a grand jury with live witnesses. So we could very well see an indictment come out of that grand jury as soon as tuesday. I have been a Criminal Defense Lawyer for over three decades. Criminal law is full of surprises. No guarantees, but right now, i would say tuesday is probably our most likely Landing Point for an indictment. Kind of keep our eye on that. One more thing i think is so different because remember, this will be the fourth indictment if it does come down. From the federal cases, especially, against the former president , is in georgia, this could be televised, right . Yes, georgia is not like the federal cour. The federal courts didnt experiment with televising trials the judges didnt like it. Georg transparency, personally i think thats a good thing. That is one of the reasons that this Fani Willis Case is so important. The American People can watch and see and learn just how serious the alleged attempt on our democracy was. All right, a lot to unpack there, but norm eisen, you always do such a great job. Thanks so much. And lets go now to back to atlanta where Security Preparations are under way ahead of those possible new charges against the former president. Cnns Isabel Rosales is live outside the Fulton County courthouse. We know that the d. A. Has had threats against her, that there are security concerns. How are officials there preparing for this week . Reporter jessica, regardless of the decision from the grand jury, it appears Fulton County is ready. You can see right behind me here, a heavier than normal police presence. In fact, i took a lap around the courthouse, and there are officers, Law Enforcement officers staked out at every corner of the building. And also these orange and blue and white barricades that are surrounding the building. Theyre also planning to control this area by closing down the streets as we head into monday and tuesday as well. And its not just the building but also safeguarding the very visible face in front of this investigation, and that is d. A. Fani willis. She has, according to a source with knowledge familiar with the movements of atlanta Law Enforcement officers, fani willis has received additional Security Protection near her home. And she has, as jessica, you mentioned, recently warned officials about staying vigilant about security threats. In an email obtained by cnn, she spoke about messages, racial and sexualized messages shes received and similar vile voice mails. The man in charge of security around this local area, that is the sheriff of Fulton County, he says that his team is prepared not only that, but hes been taking notes in other cities where trump has been indited and hes brought back those good Security Details back home here to atlanta. Listen. We understand that the microscope and everyone is watching atlanta. But it also gave us an opportunity to go to d. C. , gave us an opportunity to partner with new york and partner with miami, and understand just collectively what something of this magnitude involves. Our goal is to stay focused, and i have said this before, were ready. Reporter and trump has not kept silent about Fulton County or willis. Hes attacked willis on truth social and during campaign events. Willis has previously said that this, what trump has said, his rhetoric, has increased security concerns. Jessica. Isabel, it is unbelievable that they have had three opportunities when a former president has been indicted to prepare for what could potentially be a fourth indictment. Isabel rosales for us in atlanta. The Lahaina Fire In Hawaii is now the deadliest u. S. Fire in more than 100 years. Were live on maui where frustration is growing about the response both before and after that disaster. Plus, we have the story of one man who says he called his family to say goodbye before saving himself and others from the wildfires. Hes going to speak to us about that experience. 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I think that we are doing a lot in order to provide the kind of support we need, to be providing, but there will always be the call for more. And my hope and expectation is that all of that will come. Cnns Mike Vulairio is on the ground in maui. Tell us what youre hearing from residents as they return to lah lahaina. Reporter jessica, what were witnessing are these profound moments of sorrow and grief, and these moments are only just Getting Started. Now, to take you through, jessica, what we have been seeing, what we have been doing throughout our day, this behind us, this is the only checkpoint to get into the disaster zone. Before we came up on the air, we met a woman named susan. And she is going home, very emotional about that. But she wanted everybody watching, our viewers around the world, to know that maui, her home, this island here, jessica, is not just a Vacation Spot but it is the soul and identity of thousands of people who live here. And in this vulnerable moment, she spoke quite movingly about the need for respect. Listen to what she told us. When i drove through on friday, i had no clue what i was going through. I got so everything is gone, i worked at the chart house in 1991. Its flat to the ground. Theres houses i used to live in that i dont even know where they were. I lost friends in there. They were going back to get their animals. And she died. So i mean, you know, its really sad because people come over here, you know, i heard there was a Snorkeling Boat looking at lahaina town. Give them respect. Its so bad. People died here. You know, people its not just a vacation. Its not just a place for vacation. We live here. Reporter and this is what makes moments like those, jessica, so profoundly sad. This beautiful setting that we have right here, looking at the pacific ocean, back towards the mainland of the united states. 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